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Samsung scores major victory regarding jury instructions

0. phoneArena 20 Aug 2012, 13:37 posted on

Samsung was able to even the score on jury instructions, as Judge Koh overturned a ruling that would have singled out the Korean tech giant for having failed to preserve evidence...

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posted on 20 Aug 2012, 13:41 44

1. aikonix (Posts: 60; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)


all i have to say is YAY! - go Samsung!

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:02 16

19. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15404; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


It's more of a pity ruling than anything. Samsung is still in the wrong here based on preliminary observation.

Ask yourself this why has Samsung of all manufacturers done so well in sales? Look at their Galaxy S line and tell me there isn't a lot of iPhone cues in the design and UI. That is why Apple went after them more than any other oem. Business protect their products and assets, this is nothing different.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:33 20

22. The_Innovation (Posts: 621; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


What Apple should have done, is topped it off. Not whine and cry about it. They are the all powerful Apple with 623.52 Billion market cap aren't they? They have more patents and ideas which they can unleash on consumers. More innovations weather it's holograms or whatever else they are working on. But instead, they choose to milk the consumer year after year by adding features to their product that already exist, and getting away with it because it looks more cutter and slicker.

The 6th generation iPhone will have 1GB or ram. They will rave about it like it's the next big thing during the introduction of the next iPhone. Meanwhile, the industry is on a Quad-Core 2GB ram, soon with 12-13 mp cameras.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:29 18

21. dsDoan (Posts: 231; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)


The Galaxy S II was the best performing Android phone of its time, with no close competition. It also had the best display of its time, with no close competition.

The Galaxy S III is the follow-up to that device.

Samsung has done well in sales because of its top-of-the-line performing hardware.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:44 6

24. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Sammy scored a big win with this ruling. Jurors will start their decision-making with both parties on an even playing field. Prospect for a mixed decision just got higher. Does Apple really want this to go to the jury? They may not like the outcome.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:50 8

26. tbar (Posts: 34; Member since: 18 Jan 2010)


Get real. Issuing a patent for a rectangle is ludicrous. Apple has patents that shouldn't have been issued and wouldn't have by anyone with common sense. And, if anyone is stupid enough not to be able to tell the difference between an Android phone and an Apple phone, they deserve what they get. Apple hasn't innovated since the 1st iPhone. The latest phone just copied features from Android. Oh and don't call me an Android fan; i have both Android and Windows phones and have had an iPhone and iPad.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:14 9

27. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


@dsDoan there were a few better displays, but it definitely was the most powerful and best-selling Android device at the time

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:39 8

31. tedkord (Posts: 12857; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Oh, yeah. Judge Koh is a real pitying type of person.

It was granted because Apple once again feels they should be held to a different standard than anyone else. Others shouldn't copy, but it's ok for them. Others should have to save their emails, but not Apple.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:41 5

32. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


"It's more of a pity ruling than anything. Samsung is still in the wrong here based on preliminary observation."

No....its called more of a fair ruling. Apple employees are supposed to get off the hook for doing essentially the same thing?

I somehow knew you wouldnt see it the way the judge did....

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:51 3

35. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


The Galaxy S line does well because its more than 1 phone in the Galaxy S line.

The Fascinate didnt do well vs Motorola phones on Verizon, So much for those cues from Apple helping it with sales. The GS3 is doing better, and it looks nothing like an iPhone. UI? Icons and home screen layout isnt the entire UI.

If someone gets a GS3 cuz it reminds them of an iPhone.....its an excuse with the iPhone on more US carriers now. There is no one carrier lockdown anymore. The iPhone can be had cheaper now too.

At some point, Apple and the Apple fanboys are gonna have to stop finding excuses and just accept that some ppl dont like or want the iPhone.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:52 5

36. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Of course, anyone who's paid any attention knows that you also whined about Motorola trying to protect its business by suing Apple over its own patents.

If all Samsung had going for it was superficial resemblance to the iPhone, nobody would buy their phones.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 18:02 3

40. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Ohhhhh, s**t. Samsung put a green phone on their icon. That's a major diss to Apple. I bet the reason that every Samsung phone in history ever gets sales is because of that. Looks JUST like an iPhone.
Tsk, tsk. Samsung should know better.
/sarcasm

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 19:02 4

42. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


I don't wanna get banned, but check out the thumb down/thumb up patern and tell me the android users can care less about whats fair. They r exactly what they call apple users. S***p

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 19:05 4

43. joey_sfb (Posts: 6253; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


"Assuming Koh’s ruling survives a vigorous set of challenges from Apple’s legal team, which are probably being mounted in San Francisco right this very moment."

Apple a 600 billion titan that would play dirty, lie, cheat, photoshop evidence and even attack the judge if they don't get their way.

Go ahead, support such a bully. I wonder how much the iPhone would cost without Android as competition.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 19:12 2

44. MeoCao (unregistered)


Oh I did not know about Apple failing to retain the evidence until now. It's Apple's way to accuse others about things they are doing themselves.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 19:39 5

45. aikonix (Posts: 60; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)


my Samsung Galaxy Epic 4G (galaxy 1) looks NOTHING like an ugly iphone so dont tell me what it looks like. And truthfully, NONE of samsungs phones look like the iphone. the iPhone, perhaps, looks a LOT like other phones, wait did i burst your bubble? im so sorry that rectangles and the color black existed before your rotten fruit!

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 19:57 7

47. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


*ahem* Mxy's comment got thumbed down because it was full of wrong and hypocrisy.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:27 4

50. remixfa (Posts: 14323; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no.. its pitty! The indomidable judge Koh is now ... pittiful??.

yea right. lol.

Samsung put a bright light on a big plot hole, Koh agreed, and fixed it. Its plain and simple.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:38 2

53. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


i wouldnt exactly say full of wrong & hypocrisy. to expect an android loyalist to admit that Samsung is borrowing a bit from Apple's cosmetics just wont happen...but unfortunately it appears that way, not 100% but there are some similarities in the look of the UI. its been that way since the Galaxy S line hit. i dont agree that the success has come from iPhone'like similarities but there are similarities that arent just coincidence.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:49 1

55. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15404; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


How could Motorola protect something that's a FRAND patent? It wouldn't be the firs time Google abused its own monopolistic position.

The resemblance to the iphone in Samsung's phones is very much there. The reason they sold so well is because people can buy them cheap on contract yet their value goes down very fast.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:50 1

57. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15404; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Samsung phones did not sell well until after the Galaxy phones came out. The ones that bore a striking resemblance to an iPhone given an Android touchup.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:51 1

59. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15404; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


They can't put up with the truth. e.g. denial

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:52 1

60. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15404; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


So why aren't your comments thumbed down?

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:55 1

61. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15404; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Motorola Droids aren't even good phones but they sold so well because of the advertisements from Verizon and the heavy emphasis on the QWERTY keyboard.

The GS3 got a design change precisely because of the lawsuits or did you forget that?

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:56 1

63. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 15404; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


25 people at the time of writing this are very much wrong.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:05 1

66. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


well first of all...Epic 4G is a phone w/a slide out keyboard right? why would you even think that model was a part of my comparison. i was moreso referring to the software. TouchWiz looks similar to iOS. its been that way. now a specific model that looks like an iPhone is the Samsung Fascinate. no need to try to get cute w/your comments...b/c ive used both android & iOS...plus i have an SIII now. from the maturity level of your response, it appears you havent used anything other than android. chill out...its only a phone.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:08 2

68. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I didn't realize that the Galaxy S 3, 2, and 1 were considered "cheap" when they launched. I also didn't realize that the Galaxy Note was either.

Also, and this was pointed out to you already, the latest lawsuit Motorola filed has no FRAND or standard essential patents. In other words, your comment is full of wrong and hypocrisy.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:10 3

69. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


"Motorola Droid aren't even good phones."

By today's standard, no.

By 2009's standard, it won Time's Gadget of the Year award and was very well reviewed. It also earned those good reviews.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:13

70. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


You can't afford to keep up with Android. Cause new tech and specs come out every 6 month's.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:15

71. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Smart people won't bye overpriced midrange phone along with its totally restricted low features halfback
Darwin OS. App launcher. And even if they do there all show offs.

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