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Samsung scores major victory regarding jury instructions

0. phoneArena 20 Aug 2012, 13:37 posted on

Samsung was able to even the score on jury instructions, as Judge Koh overturned a ruling that would have singled out the Korean tech giant for having failed to preserve evidence...

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posted on 20 Aug 2012, 13:41 44

1. aikonix (Posts: 60; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)


all i have to say is YAY! - go Samsung!

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:02 16

19. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14191; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


It's more of a pity ruling than anything. Samsung is still in the wrong here based on preliminary observation.

Ask yourself this why has Samsung of all manufacturers done so well in sales? Look at their Galaxy S line and tell me there isn't a lot of iPhone cues in the design and UI. That is why Apple went after them more than any other oem. Business protect their products and assets, this is nothing different.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:29 18

21. dsDoan (Posts: 229; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)


The Galaxy S II was the best performing Android phone of its time, with no close competition. It also had the best display of its time, with no close competition.

The Galaxy S III is the follow-up to that device.

Samsung has done well in sales because of its top-of-the-line performing hardware.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:14 9

27. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


@dsDoan there were a few better displays, but it definitely was the most powerful and best-selling Android device at the time

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:33 20

22. The_Innovation (Posts: 610; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


What Apple should have done, is topped it off. Not whine and cry about it. They are the all powerful Apple with 623.52 Billion market cap aren't they? They have more patents and ideas which they can unleash on consumers. More innovations weather it's holograms or whatever else they are working on. But instead, they choose to milk the consumer year after year by adding features to their product that already exist, and getting away with it because it looks more cutter and slicker.

The 6th generation iPhone will have 1GB or ram. They will rave about it like it's the next big thing during the introduction of the next iPhone. Meanwhile, the industry is on a Quad-Core 2GB ram, soon with 12-13 mp cameras.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:28 1

78. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


plenty of manufacturers put out phones that arent the latest tech & no one talks about it but ppl only talk about the iPhone bc it is a threat to all other smart phones out there, bottom line. android's idea of high tech isnt everyones idea of high tech. sure the bitches love iPhones but thats only one group. there's still the business world - major companies who prefer iOS performance over Android for their employees. i got an SIII which has all this stuff under its hood...but there is literally no diff in my experience with this compared to the 4S i came from. none at all. android users get in to all these irrelevant functions like overclocking & speedtests. Apple sells so well bc of ppl like me who just use the functions of the phone & are not in all that dumb shit that ppl do with their phones for bragging rights.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:45 2

79. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


It sells due to being a designer phone. Like Prada. LV.
D&G
Armani
And people think they look cool in European countries, they think there rich in poor, or Asian countries!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 15:50 8

26. tbar (Posts: 34; Member since: 18 Jan 2010)


Get real. Issuing a patent for a rectangle is ludicrous. Apple has patents that shouldn't have been issued and wouldn't have by anyone with common sense. And, if anyone is stupid enough not to be able to tell the difference between an Android phone and an Apple phone, they deserve what they get. Apple hasn't innovated since the 1st iPhone. The latest phone just copied features from Android. Oh and don't call me an Android fan; i have both Android and Windows phones and have had an iPhone and iPad.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:39 8

31. tedkord (Posts: 12228; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Oh, yeah. Judge Koh is a real pitying type of person.

It was granted because Apple once again feels they should be held to a different standard than anyone else. Others shouldn't copy, but it's ok for them. Others should have to save their emails, but not Apple.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:41 5

32. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


"It's more of a pity ruling than anything. Samsung is still in the wrong here based on preliminary observation."

No....its called more of a fair ruling. Apple employees are supposed to get off the hook for doing essentially the same thing?

I somehow knew you wouldnt see it the way the judge did....

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:27 4

50. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no.. its pitty! The indomidable judge Koh is now ... pittiful??.

yea right. lol.

Samsung put a bright light on a big plot hole, Koh agreed, and fixed it. Its plain and simple.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 03:55 1

90. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14191; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Yes they are in the wrong. This wouldn't even be happening if Samsung hadn't copied them in the first place. This is why Apple has went against Samsung more than any other oem.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 09:12

99. jskrenes (Posts: 209; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


Wrong. This wouldn't be happening if Apple didn't BELIEVE Samsung had infringed upon its patents. The trial is there to determine if such is the case.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:51 3

35. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


The Galaxy S line does well because its more than 1 phone in the Galaxy S line.

The Fascinate didnt do well vs Motorola phones on Verizon, So much for those cues from Apple helping it with sales. The GS3 is doing better, and it looks nothing like an iPhone. UI? Icons and home screen layout isnt the entire UI.

If someone gets a GS3 cuz it reminds them of an iPhone.....its an excuse with the iPhone on more US carriers now. There is no one carrier lockdown anymore. The iPhone can be had cheaper now too.

At some point, Apple and the Apple fanboys are gonna have to stop finding excuses and just accept that some ppl dont like or want the iPhone.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:55 1

61. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14191; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Motorola Droids aren't even good phones but they sold so well because of the advertisements from Verizon and the heavy emphasis on the QWERTY keyboard.

The GS3 got a design change precisely because of the lawsuits or did you forget that?

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:10 3

69. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


"Motorola Droid aren't even good phones."

By today's standard, no.

By 2009's standard, it won Time's Gadget of the Year award and was very well reviewed. It also earned those good reviews.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 03:58 1

93. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14191; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Oh give it a rest. What matters is what users thought not a bunch of titles that they pretty much give to any device.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 04:11 2

94. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


And users thought it was great. I still run into original Droid users who don't want to give it up.

How many people can say that about the original iPhone? Hell, how many can say that about the 3GS, even?

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 13:44 1

101. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14191; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


And the original droid came out two years after the first iphone.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 17:02

103. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Thank you.

Some ppl just got rid of their Droid 1's last year, even this year. And like he said, since what matters is what users thought....that says alot.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 00:51

83. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Right. Ask some G Nex owners that were given a RAZR or Maxx as replacements if they arent good phones...

The ads do sell em, but what about when the ads stop? The RAZR and Maxx were still popular on Verizon right before the GS3 launched.

I dont remember the GS3 getting a hardware design change...dude...it looks nothing like an iPhone.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 13:45 1

102. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14191; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


The GS3 looks drastically different to past GS models.

Yes, they were popular. But you drop the price of any high end phone and it will of course remain popular.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 16:52 5

36. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Of course, anyone who's paid any attention knows that you also whined about Motorola trying to protect its business by suing Apple over its own patents.

If all Samsung had going for it was superficial resemblance to the iPhone, nobody would buy their phones.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 21:49 1

55. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 14191; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


How could Motorola protect something that's a FRAND patent? It wouldn't be the firs time Google abused its own monopolistic position.

The resemblance to the iphone in Samsung's phones is very much there. The reason they sold so well is because people can buy them cheap on contract yet their value goes down very fast.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:08 2

68. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I didn't realize that the Galaxy S 3, 2, and 1 were considered "cheap" when they launched. I also didn't realize that the Galaxy Note was either.

Also, and this was pointed out to you already, the latest lawsuit Motorola filed has no FRAND or standard essential patents. In other words, your comment is full of wrong and hypocrisy.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:16 1

72. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Sniggly it's Taco ur responding to.....!

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:21 3

76. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


If it is I would be very surprised.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:13

70. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


You can't afford to keep up with Android. Cause new tech and specs come out every 6 month's.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:15

71. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Smart people won't bye overpriced midrange phone along with its totally restricted low features halfback
Darwin OS. App launcher. And even if they do there all show offs.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 18:02 3

40. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


Ohhhhh, s**t. Samsung put a green phone on their icon. That's a major diss to Apple. I bet the reason that every Samsung phone in history ever gets sales is because of that. Looks JUST like an iPhone.
Tsk, tsk. Samsung should know better.
/sarcasm

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