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Samsung returning to PowerVR GPU for Samsung Galaxy S IV?

0. phoneArena 14 Jan 2013, 00:39 posted on

The last Samsung Galaxy S phone to have a Power VR GPU inside was the very first model in the series, the Samsung Galaxy S which had a single-core 1GHz Hummingbird CPU under the hood as well; since then, Samsung has used ARM produced GPU's for the Samsung Galaxy S II and the Samsung S III although that little string might end with the inclusion of the PowerVR SGX 544MP3 expected to be inside the Samsung Galaxy S IV...

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posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:42 8

1. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 348; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Dream will come true.Power VR >ARM Mali >adreno.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:43 5

3. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


Except, you know. ARM Mali and Adreno have been basically neck and neck for a while now.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 02:07 2

18. sid07desai (Posts: 243; Member since: 03 May 2012)


Tegra 4 >>>>>>>>> Power VR. Others are negligible compared to T4.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 02:13 1

21. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


T4 probably hits about 70GFLOPS.
It's comparable to Mali 604.
The Rogue series and upcoming Mali GPU's are much more powerful

posted on 15 Jan 2013, 08:39

36. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 159; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


SGX544MP3 at 533MHz will be more powerful than the 250MHz clocked SGX554MP4. You have 3 cores which are 2x less powerful but run at more than double the frequency compared to the 544. I expect better results. Tegra 4 is gonna be a sucker again.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 02:10 1

20. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Mali t-658 >> SGX 554MP3

I seriously hope Samsung will not go for such relatively architecture GPU.
Rogue (series 6) would be the s**t, but not this

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 05:04 1

29. zhiae (Posts: 166; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


it wont be disappointing i promise

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:43 8

2. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1301; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


powerVR will make this a beast ,beating Apple at its own GPU

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:44 11

4. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


No one ever said PowerVR was Apple's GPU, PowerVR licenses their GPUs to anyone willing to pay.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:48 10

7. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1301; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


thanks captain...

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:45 6

5. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


The PowerVR is a beast of a gpu. The fact that Apple uses it exclusively means any iOS ports to Android will run better on phones that have a PowerVR, in theory.

Angry Birds had lil issues on Motorola phones when it first came to Android. It ran better on a Droid 1 vs an HTC Incredbile, EVO. The Incredible and EVO had better specs....and different gpus.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:46

6. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 801; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Which one is superior anyway? Imagination's PowerVRs or a ARM's Mali?

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:53 1

10. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Depends on who you ask and what you want.

I would choose either over Adreno. I would choose PowerVR just for possible easier compability with iOS ports. I try to stay out of the benchmarks pissing contests now...so I cant comment from that perspective.....lol.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:55 7

12. serge327 (Posts: 43; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)


PowerVR is more powerful than Mali GPU :)

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 02:09 1

19. sid07desai (Posts: 243; Member since: 03 May 2012)


Currently, the facts suggest the Tegra 4 might be best gpu out there. With 72 cores.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 07:26

35. serge327 (Posts: 43; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)


But dont forget PowerVR will out 6 series... i think the strongest performance in the market when 6 series arrived.. But the PowerVR 554 is strong enough.. hope samsung will use it with 4 core 544 :)
*sorry for my bad english

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:50

8. Atrixboyyy (Posts: 232; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Waiting till I hear a release date for the at&t version or I'm selling my gs3 in late April. Exynos Octa+ is what I'll call this monster combo

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:52 8

9. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 779; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


iPhone 5 uses the PowerVR SGX 543MP3 in its A6, the iPad 4 uses A6X with PowerVR SGX 554 MP4, corrections need to be made in this article!

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:54 5

11. datsyuk (Posts: 153; Member since: 11 Jan 2012)


Beat me to it. I really hope this is true though. When it comes to Android the Exynos chips were always my favorite because Mali IMO had the best GPU choice that phones were using but PowerVR is the very best IMO.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 00:58 2

13. serge327 (Posts: 43; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)


If Samsung Exynos really use PowerVR GPU.. i will wait S4/N3, if not, i will go for SONY Xperia Z XD

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 01:02

14. Equilibrium (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)


"Currently, Apple uses the PowerVR SGX 554 MP4 with its A6X used on the Apple iPhone 5"

I thought that it was used in the iPad 4 and that the iPhone 5 uses the PowerVR SGX 553 MP3?
Also the iPhone 5 uses the A6 processor NOT the A6X:)

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 02:50 1

22. TylerGrunter (Posts: 862; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Nearly right but for one number, the iphone 5 uses the iPhone 5 uses the PowerVR SGX 543 MP3.
It has been corrected in the article.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 01:14 1

15. ama3654 (Posts: 249; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)


Maybe its for the TIZEN device cos Intel owns 16.02 percent of imagination technologies

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 01:41

16. dan86 (Posts: 298; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)


Power VR actually performs well samsung may consider it.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 01:52

17. ama3654 (Posts: 249; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)


its gonna be running twice the frequency of iphone 5 at 533 mhz instead of 266 mhz on the iphone 5, and iphone 5 uses powervr 543 mp3 while this is 544 mp3

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 02:54 1

24. TylerGrunter (Posts: 862; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


I suspect that Anand did a mistake in his calculations and the iphone 5 GPU (543MP3) is actually running at 333 MHz, so performance won't be double but 66% higher with the new GPU.
We'll see if I'm right when the first benchmarks go out.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 02:53

23. uvaman (Posts: 19; Member since: 14 Jan 2013)


Hmm if S4 will use Octa then we will have Mali... From CES keynote and from the presentation we could see the pictures
of Mali T-604 and Mali T-658 which is compatible with Octa and paired.
Also this confirmation can be seen on arm page too.

If S4 wont get Octa then its possible.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 03:13

26. Atrixboyyy (Posts: 232; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


What about the Mali-T678?

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 03:08

25. _Bone_ (Posts: 2104; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


What is the GPU in the iPad 4 and where could the 544 possibly perform compared to that beast?

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 05:48

31. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3876; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


iPad 4 uses the PowerVR SGX554MP4. It's compared in the picture in the article. The last GPU listed in the picture is the one sued in the iPad 4.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 03:39

27. kamejoko (Posts: 106; Member since: 10 Nov 2011)


I don't believe. ARM said "T658 is best for biglittle".

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 04:30

28. uvaman (Posts: 19; Member since: 14 Jan 2013)


Agree :) As I mention above too. There is all details and infos that Octa will use Mali... So this is pure speculation

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 05:37

30. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


well, as much as T-658 is the best for big little, samsung probably want to compete with apple in terms of gpu and it will be easier to port apps with same gpu manufacturer.

or, samsung also want to play in a part where their GPU is the beast of their devices

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 05:56 1

32. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3876; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Why would Samsung compete with Apple in GPU power with a less powerful GPU than the one Apple is using right now? Especially when Apple is going to use something better when they announce the iPad 5. It makes no sense, unless they intend to put as many cores as they can with it and clock it insanely high, they aren't competing at all.

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 06:24

33. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Exactly.
And as for "porting " of games to Android, well that's just nonsense.
Big game developers are releasing titles with a few weeks delay between platforms now days, or even simultaneously. This means titles were developed with Android in mind from the ground up.
All that matters in terms of the expected game quality is how much significant a certain hardware configuration the game is built for, is - for example the Mali 400 Exynos 4412 one is more significant than any iPad configuration actually, because it's found in more than 40 million devices.

I can say that my international S3 runs all games I've loaded so far absolutely smooth and issue free, and in top quality.
N.O.V.A.3, GTA vice city, NFS MW, Modern Combat 4 etc are not in any way inferior to their iOS counterparts.

All the people I see complaining about issues with these Android games are having other configuration

posted on 14 Jan 2013, 06:39 1

34. ahomad (Posts: 138; Member since: 15 May 2012)


series 6> T-685> series 5 (544)

I think Samsung is making the wrong decision. they need either to go with series 6 or just stick with T-658. serious 5 is quite old and there will be some compatibility issue with new games especially the S4 will be release in couple of months.

posted on 15 Jan 2013, 08:47

37. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 159; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


So what if it's old, beats the hell out of all the GPUs other manufacturers can churn out.

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