Samsung records record profit for latest quarter, becomes world's top smartphone manufacturer
0. phoneArena 27 Apr 2012, 01:22 posted on
Samsung reported hefty profits of $5.2 billion for its March quarter, a gain of 81% from the prior year; operating profit from the mobile division rose to $3.8 billion while the division's revenue soared 86% year over year...
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61. Sniggly (Posts: 6698; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You do realize how much is at stake if Apple is cast in any negative light, right? Right now their stock is at astronomical highs, and it's owned by a LOT of people. If that stock drops, and keeps dropping, a ton of people are out a ton of money.
I mean, just go through CNN techs articles on Apple and Google, and forget for that time that you hate Google and love Apple to bits. The pattern becomes evident pretty quickly.
63. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You're an android nut if you think there's an anti Google conspiracy in the media.
66. Sniggly (Posts: 6698; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I take it you refuse to check out CNN tech and at least see if there's a pattern?
You're an Apple nut if you think that no one at CNN has any Apple stock.
95. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
taco, heres the funny thing
the first article, saying that samsung won.. was referenced from APPLEINSIDER through strategy analytics. A pro apple website. The report saying apple won comes from isupply... whoever the heck that is. and how do they get numbers different from others? If i posted up a chart saying Nokia had a come from behind victory and sold 40 million lumias.. does that make it true because its on the internet?
They both say samsung sold the same amount of handsets total, just the different smartphone numbers.. which means they think they had a huge spike in dumbphone sales...
which is more likely? a huge spike in dumbphone sales or a rise in smartphone sales.. in an environment where smartphones are becomming dirt cheap?
your own pro apple website is saying samsung won. think about that.
51. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Hi my name is Sniggly. I'm okay with any ESTIMATES that say android wins, but any ESTIMATES that say otherwise is biased crap and obviously payed for by Apple.
56. Sniggly (Posts: 6698; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Hi, I'm Taco. I think that quoting a secondary sources which quotes my first source and ignores the source that contradicts my claim is not only unbiased, but also counts as a second source.
I also think that the G1 is identical to the iPhone. Nuff said.
Are we done being childish yet, Taco?
62. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I was legitimizing the source by showing CNN had also used it.
This is off topic and you've already been reported, but the G1 was totally redone to be more like an iPhone. Google couldn't innovate on its own.
69. Sniggly (Posts: 6698; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Google can't innovate on its own? What do you call Project Glass, or Majel (which Google has been working on for three times as long as Apple has to bring Siri around)?
And reporting me? For what? You're such a crybaby.
And one more time: what resemblance, other than the touchscreen, does the G1 bear to the iPhone? Last chance to provide a legitimate response.
71. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It's the UI not the form factor. Samsung is the one that focused on copying Apple's form factor.
Just the fact that google changed from a blackberry form factor to a touch centric UI with multi touch and took Apple's patented gestures proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt to any non biased person.
75. protozeloz (Posts: 5369; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
THIS POST AGAIN!?
look sigs cut out the conversation with this guy its not worth a nicle
73. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Majel you mean the Siri copycat. Way to prove Google can innovate. Lmao you can't be serious.
76. Sniggly (Posts: 6698; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You did read the part where Google was working on Majel long before Siri ever came out, right? No, of course you didn't. No one can be so stupid as to claim that a project Google started before the Apple equivalent is an example of Google copying Apple. Can they?
And really? The UI? what in the UI copied IOS? And what about the evidence that Google had touchscreen prototypes around the time the Blackberry prototype was outed?
A truly unbiased person would pay attention to these facts.
78. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Siri comes out first and now Google wants to come out with a personal assistant. Sure no copying there.
What in the UI? You can't be serious. How about every single touch gesture. Now you'll claim that those gestures are the most obvious except they weren't obvious until Apple came out with them.
81. Sniggly (Posts: 6698; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Oh holy s**t, Taco. You really ARE that stupid. How can you miss, TWICE, that statement that Majel has been in the works LONGER THAN SIRI?!
In order for your claim to work, Google would have had to send someone back in f**kING TIME after seeing Siri.
And gestures can be common sense, and some of the common ones, like pinch to zoom, weren't invented by Apple. Also, I was discussing the look of the UI. If a touchscreen and gestures is all you can come up with, you have a sad case indeed. Just like Apple.
74. protozeloz (Posts: 5369; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Like I've said before, saying that Google didn't take any cues from iOS is completely stupid, but also saying that Google copied apple is just as stupid.
companies take ideas from each other apple does it all the time, so why when apple takes an idea is the most obvious step but when Google does it is copying?
also saying Google does not innovates is another dumb point
77. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Companies do take cues from each other. Windows improved their touch phones, but did it in their own way. Google just mimicked iOS.
Apple of course takes things as well. Notification bar is obvious. Difference is I don't deny the obvious while fandroids swear up and down android is completely unique and is so superior to ios when all the facts prove otherwise.
82. protozeloz (Posts: 5369; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
your problem is simple you refer yourself as "I" but use the fanroid term to label every android fan when Apple fans are known (not necessarily you) for saying apple does to take ideas from everyone.
can you explain much more deep why android copied iOS because I saw the G1 and the concept was different. the way the OS operates was different, the only common thing was icons
84. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
When I say fandroid I don't mean all android fans. I'm talking about the raging lunatics that think everything android is perfect and usually have a blind hatred towards Apple.
Android took core concepts from ios such as touch gestures, transitions like kinetic scrolling along with the idea of an app store, how they're icons are layed out etc.
Now after android has added their own things like widgets, navigation etc. the core ideas of android however come from Apple in its current version.
87. protozeloz (Posts: 5369; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
1. app stores where already something that existed, on example is Vcast or 3RD party app stores for Symbian what apple did was creating a better way to manage the stores
2. android has some transitions from iOS thats one of the things i say they borrowed
3. icon layout is NORMAL an example here with p910
4011/4359746644_db0282a4c3.jpgits space efficient
4. so windows phone does not have core stuff like scrolling? or transitions? some of this things became a standard just like mail push, and contact sync
the problem is that you have prejudged the way android operates to the point you just think it operates like iOS
91. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Windows does have things as well but they at least made an attempt to be unique
105. protozeloz (Posts: 5369; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
can you please go in detail on why android is not unique? or even better can you explain how android runs?
88. tedkord (Posts: 4300; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Not that is completely unique - that it isn't a copy. Android did take cues off iOS, switching to a touchcentric OS.
But, like iOS with smartphones before it, they did it differently. Widgets, true multitasking, sideloading, full customization, etc...
And don't give me the whole patented Apple gestures. Firstly, patenting a gesture is absurd. Patenting the way the OS interface interacts with the gesture, sure, but not thew gesture itself. Regardless, we've already shown how iOS copied swipe to unlock off Neonode. So, yes - the gestures are obvious.
Finally, app stores are hardly an Apple creation. There were third party sites to buy WinMo apps years before the iPhone. Forcing all developers to sell through their app store is an Apple creation, but that's not one I want Android to emulate.
92. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Side loading. Yea big innovation there
99. tedkord (Posts: 4300; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Who said innovation? I pointed it out as how Android was very different from iOS. If you can't even follow the topic, how can we discuss it?
55. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
how hard it is to post the "actual profits" rather than giving estimates.
57. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Maybe Samsuck has something to hide
64. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Might want to talk to your buddy Sniggly who thinks there's an anti google conspiracy going on lol
67. protozeloz (Posts: 5369; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
you are the one doing impersonations in here, and The One using the Samsuck name, the only kid I see in here is you
100. tedkord (Posts: 4300; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Samsung did post actual profits. They didn't post units sold.
79. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
if it's units shipped and marketshare it's got to be samsung
if it's units sold and revenue it's apple
now what exactly is the bet between taco and remixfa?
just asking! i love reading both arguments from your sides.
80. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It's who sold the most smartphones. Not shipped.
83. greathero1 (Posts: 459; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
Taco, dude you might be on your way out BUT let's wait to see how many smartphones sold! Who cares how many shipped, let's see who put more phones in the hand of customers. That should be the ONLY determinant here. I still think Samsung will probably still win though. They have smartphones and feature phones. They offer such a variety of different handsets that it's going to be hard to beat that. You probably should have bet iPhone vs Galaxy line b/c that is the iPhones only competitor in Samsungs portfolio.
85. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Galaxy vs iPhone isn't even a contest. There's two reports. One Apple wins and one they lose. However when we look at sold instead of shipped its doubtful Samsung can win.
86. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
You would be way off about it not being a contest, taco. Apple is stating in their report that iPhones sold in Q1 2012 is 37.04M, while preliminary numbers from Korea Times is reporting that Samsung sold (that's sold, not shipped) no less than 41M smartphones with a projection of up to 44M.
In any event... 37 < 41. Of course there is a margin of error, but... just doesn't look good for ya.
89. tedkord (Posts: 4300; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Here's why this was a stupid bet - Taco will never accept the results if they show Samsung sold more smartphones. If Samsung releases the numbers, he'll claim they're giving shipped, not sold. If Samsung gives the numbers as units sold, he'll say they're lying, and anyway that's not counting all the returned phones. If Steve Jobs rode down on a fiery chariot and shot lasers from his eyes to carve the words, " Samsung sold more smartphones in the most recent quarter than Apple..." in 50 foot tall letters in the side of Mount Everest - well, he might believe it then, but only because Steve Jobs said it.
90. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I provided 2 legitimate links saying Apple won
94. tedkord (Posts: 4300; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
No more legitimate than the link that says Apple won. At any rate, I'm just talking about how you will not accept any evidence contrary to your world view. Even if every analyst said Samsung won, you'd claim they're just analyst estimates and don't count. I covered your other responses to different scenarios in my first post.
You continue to call Android laggy. Yet reviewer after reviewer has said that ICS is on par with iOS as far as lag. I can tell you that I've got Gingerbread on a single core smartphone with Sense 3.5, and I'll put it up against iOS any day for lag. It's buttery smooth, zero lag unless I multitask a ton of apps.
96. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I have a galaxy tab 7.7 with honey comb. It's LAGGY. htc X just came out and PA's review said it was laggy.
And you assume I won't honor my bet. There's no legitimacy to Samsung winning at this point.
98. tedkord (Posts: 4300; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Any lag on the OneX is from Sense, which is a memory hog. Sense is not Android. ICS on the GNex is smooth. ICS AOSP is smooth.
Actually, I just read the PA review for the OneX, and it didn't say laggy. Here are some quotes directly from the review:
"The good thing for us is that the handset is moving pretty swiftly now, with no hint of lag or choppy animations."
"For the most part, there's nothing wrong with the handset. It has a big and beautiful screen, fluid UI and pretty much every hardware or software feature that a user may need."
Fluid UI. No hint of lag.
101. tedkord (Posts: 4300; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Since you're a fan of PA reviews, then you noticed the 4S got an 8.5 rating, and the Galaxy Nexus got a 9.5.
102. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I guess that makes you feel all warm inside. Your copycat phone got a better review.
104. tedkord (Posts: 4300; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Copycat? Wait a minute - if it is a copy, then they're just doing what Apple did with the notification bar, and slide to unlock - taking something, improving it and using it. I guess it's OK when Apple does it, huh?
No, what made me feel warm inside was showing that you were wrong about the OneX review. It clearly shows that your love of all things Apple colors your view of everything else - to the point that you can read a review that says the phone has no lag and come away with it reading the phone was laggy. If you misread that so easily, what else might you be wrong about?
As for your tablet, it's on Honeycomb. I was talking about ICS, and to a small extent Gingerbread (on my phone with a great custom rom). Your argument isn't even relevant.
110. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if the copycat gets a better review, then technically its not a copy cat, its the champion.
107. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
You have a galaxy tab 7.7 and an ipad2 eh? wow, your parents must be loaded!
That tab has what? 3.0/3.1 on it and a low amount of ram? Yea... its a sucky tablet. lets put iOS5 on the iphone3g and see how well that runs eh?
Honeycomb isnt the best OS, even I've admitted that. Honeycomb, however runs NOTHING like 2.3x or 4.0x
ICS is butter smooth and your a fool to think otherwise. I'll put my old SGS1 with hacked ICS up against your itoys in a smooth competition.
97. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you provided 2 links that regurgitate a story from the same source.... so you only provided 1 source.
im sure the debate will be ironed out in the next few days.. and not in your favor.
the question is? will you honor your bet and leave?
the honest answer is no.. your a child, a troll, and dishonorable.
103. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
If I lose I'll leave. If you lose we all know you won't leave.
Personal attacks show you're losing the debates. That's all you have left after the facts are layed out.
108. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you have lost.
you found some odd article by a no name website that says there is an 11 million smartphone sales error in Apple's favor and you think that its legit.
Even if the original article was off by at bit, it wasnt off by 11 million. Thats just about a 25% swing in the opposite direction... especially since it still reports the same TOTAL sales. So samsung sold 11 million LESS smartphones and 11 million MORE flip phones??
Can you HONESTLY say you believe that? No, even i dont think your that brain dead.. and thats saying something.
You wont leave. You will go away for a few days at best and come back with a different screen name.. and then knowing you, you will eventually pop back in with your normal screen name when u think people forgot about the bet.
I give everyone the benefit of the doubt.. but over the last what.. 3 or 4 years you have been going after my heels like a toothless brain dead chiuhauha, you have proven over and over again that you are not a trustworthy person.
If I lost would I have left? Yea, I would have made a nice goodbye post and have been gone already.. something that u should have already done.
111. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
CNN is not a no name website. This article is based on Appleinsider.com. The same "no name" website I linked to
You're so delusional it's crazy. And you seem really angry to see you're about to lose.
Look at you. There's two conflicting reports and of course in your mind only the one that has Samsung winning is right.
112. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ok, i take it back, you obviously ARE that brain dead...
See.. gave ya the benefit of the doubt yet again, and you again prove that to be a mistake.
113. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So Appleinsider is a legitimate source when it's use to report Samsung wins, but is a "no name" website when it gives the 2nd report. Also CNN is a "no name" website.
115. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
taco, i was not referring to the website you got the news as noname, i was referring to the website THEY got the news from as no-name... YOU KNOW.. THE ONE THAT MADE THE PRETTY CHARTS!
LEARN TO READ.
116. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Well CNN and the San Jose Mercury don't seem to think its no name.
114. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Here's another one where it's up in the air
117. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
DO you read these articles or just skim?
" Apple Inc. reports its iPhone sales down to the thousands. In the January to March period, it shipped 35,064,000. South Korea's Samsung may have sold 32 million, 37.5 million or 44.5 million, depending which analyst you believe"
Ok, 2 neat things you can gleam from this article.
Apple SHIPPED 35 million phones..NOT sold.
Samsung SOLD 32,37.5 or 44.5 million phones.. NOT SHIPPED.
So even if its the lowest estimate, more than likely samsung still wins. Even if only 8% of what Apple shipped hasnt been sold and is sitting on a shelf (and we know there is plenty of stock out there for the taking) that means they tied at 32 million... and thats the LOWEST estimate. And lets be honest.. its probably not the lowest estimate.. and it may not be the highest estimate. But even the middle estimate BEATS APPLE.
You LOSE. You just cant move on. Say your goodbyes and kick yourself to the curb.
118. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
In typical fashion, Taco, being obliterated by his own "proof" stops responding. Since that is how he "admits" defeat, then he knows he lost the bet.
119. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Yet another morning where I see more taco posts after his lost bet.
Like I said, honorless slimy child. Thanks for proving me right yet again.
106. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
this will not end until the other posts exact figures. i'd say let go of this issue and instead bet on the galaxy s3 vs iphone 5 pre orders, first day sales or first week sales!
109. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the iphone5 will win that bet. If there is a real change to this iteration like they are saying there will be, the sales should be massive. The SGS3 sales will be huge, but there are 20 other android sets its competing with as well as iOS and WindowsPhone7/8. The iphone5 just competes with the i4s and android/wp7. It doesnt have any other high end iOS devices to split sales with. If it were an even king to king battle without the extra competition, the SGS3 would win.. but thats not reality.
I dont deal in singular device sales normally. I deal in OS vs OS. Market share is the true prize, not singular sales.