Samsung promises "64-bit functionality" in next smartphones, because it can't let Apple have anything "special"
0. phoneArena 12 Sep 2013, 00:58 posted on
That's right folks, we're back in the day care play area and Samsung is jealous of Apple's new 64-bit toy. Samsung apparently doesn't care much that 64-bit processing won't really help Apple all that much in the near future, nor that 64-bit support will be completely useless on an Android device (unless Android 4.4 KitKat is bringing 64-bit support)...
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137. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Increasing the screen size has functional purpose. Increasing the resolution has functional purpose. A 64-bit processor as of now has no functional purpose, especially since Google may not even support the processor and its flagship smartphones only have 2gig of RAM. Basically Samsung may add a feature that will not help the S5 AT ALL. Why add it? Do you understand now?
138. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I hate it when dumbas*ses think they're smart. You're obviously not at my level kid. The whole issue is not that Samsung is adding a 64-bit processor, it's that they're adding it when it will have absolutely no use at all. It is so extremely unlikely that the S5 will jump from 2gigs of ram to 4 gigs. Can you even think?
65. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1807; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Apple has previously used larger pixels (iPhone 4), but your point is still valid that this is progression.
19. Daftama (Posts: 609; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
You wanna talk about copy io7 is Complete copy of gingerbread lol... I could careless more copies the more my Android gets better so please copy the hell out of each other
74. tedkord (Posts: 8316; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
And Cydia is not Apple. So regardless, iOS 7 is a complete copy.
20. antelmann22 (Posts: 3; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
If I'm not mistaken, the new A7 chip is based off of ARMv8 architecture which is 64-bit. That's the next step in mobile computing on the ARM side of things. THIS INSTRUCTION SET WAS LICENSED TO APPLE, and Apple along with their acquired chip designers created the A7. It is not a me too. It would have happened whether Apple announced it or not.
26. illusionmist (Posts: 152; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
Tell that to those people that were just happily bashing Apple about this 64-bit thing.
36. artealis (Posts: 98; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)
what copy? intel already have 64bit CPU along time ago, still there is no body said A7 copied intel. or apple started scream "me too want 64bit like intel?"
that plastic is not copying asha 501?
or atrix finger print
bigger pixel in camera? nothing new.
apple should come with mind control phone or nano computing with carbon nano tube case and virtual reality with 3D fHD screen and 256bit CPU plus 8gb ram and it will be a new thing.innovation.
5c heap and 5s ame, mehhhhh
52. frydaexiii (Posts: 1420; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
lol, they're doing this so Apple can't brag about 64-bit chips other than being the first
6. nctx77 (Posts: 1332; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)
The copy machines are on full blast!!! Next year we will have S5 with fingerprint scanner, 64 bit chip and a S7 chip to copy the m7. Oh let's not forget the all aluminum body. Wait, the S5 mini will still be plastic, but come in multiple colors. Sammy playing catchup LOL!
12. dsDoan (Posts: 228; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
Don't be a blind fanboy. Everyone copies everyone. It is known.
16. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 163; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
True, but it would be better if Samsung innovates by itself instead of waiting for Apple and then copying them like with Siri and S Voice.
45. Taters (Posts: 6337; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Saying Samsung copy 64 bit is like saying Apple copied dual core or 2gb of ram from every Android manufacturer in existence. I knew Apple fans were retarded but I didn't think they were this retarded.
66. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1807; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
His argument is flawed except for this: Samsung IS a follower. The true innovators in the mobile space are few and far between (Apple, LG, Nokia, Motorola), but Samsung does not belong in that group. No major advancement in mobile technology was premiered by Samsung. None.
103. Taters (Posts: 6337; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
They have made tons of stuff first, it is just that haters like you will never be able to give them credit for it. It is just not in the Samsung hater DNA.
Sure most of their innovations have to do with manufacturing techniques and ram where you can't notice them but internals are just as important.
And the fact that they spend the most money out of all the companies except Nokia on R&D should tell you that you are a little off base here. Unless you somehow twist your hating mind into believing that they somehow pay a bunch of monkeys in the R&D department millions to just come up with copies of something. I am sure they don't have to do much r&d to do that. It would just be the research because someone else already did the development.
75. tedkord (Posts: 8316; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
They do. Smart stay and Smart rotation come to mind immediately.
The problem is many of Apple's innovations are actually copied. Slide to unlock, for instance.
14. maccess (Posts: 734; Member since: 16 Jan 2013)
sammy playing catchup.. but still winning the market miles ahead from the competitors..
68. shuaibhere (Posts: 1966; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
butthurt samsung hater....motoroal atrix had finger print scanner....and samsung has many phones with multiple colours in launch.....lets see if samsung makes special chip like ms....and most of features in ios7 are ripoff touchwiz features...go home it's aplle who is copying now not samsung....
8. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I'm just surprised that it took Samsung this long to announce this....
Also can't wait to see the new flatter and simpler Touchwiz next year
9. dsDoan (Posts: 228; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
Since when is future-proofing a device pointless?
32. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Is Google even going to support 64-bit processors? Until the OS can even support it, then yes it's pointless.
76. tedkord (Posts: 8316; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Of course they will. It's a natural progression following what happened in desktop CPUs. The market was always heading toward 64bit.
99. protozeloz (Posts: 5393; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Since it seems they plan of having android go to gaming devices and possible desktop computer I can see 4.4. Having 64 bit support thus being ready for the galaxy s5
11. Furbal (Posts: 715; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
They should have just introduced it quietly when it would actually have some tangible benefits for the user.
15. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3649; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Then Apple will sue Sammy for copying their 64 bit functionality. Another case in court.
17. thecorrescode (Posts: 34; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
Apple taking credit again for 64-bit. ARM Holdings develops the ARMv8 and Apple just takes a license.
67. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1807; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Yes, it is ARMv8, but this is custom silicon, not some reference chip like Sammy uses.
18. Trex95 (Posts: 849; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
Android still can't handle 64 bit yet maybe next year.
77. tedkord (Posts: 8316; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
They will introduce it when it will benefit - when devices start seeing 4gb of ram or more.
21. kamejoko (Posts: 161; Member since: 10 Nov 2011)
why mobile os still doesn't support 32bit colors?. GPU and resolution so high.
22. THE.DARK.KNIGHT (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)
So when Samsung brings 64 bit processing I am going to say that Samsung copied apple.
116. lpratas (Posts: 180; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
Samsung is that manufactures the Apple A7 chip. And Samsung have they own chips including 64 bit ArmV8 chips, they don't need Apple for develop and manufacture they own 64 bit processors, understood?
24. yowanvista (Posts: 340; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
Android doesn't need 64-bit optimization, Google just need to recompile most of the ARM runtimes for AArch64. The kernel shouldn't be a problem since the Linux has already been supported ARMv8 for quite some time now.
25. XaErO (Posts: 271; Member since: 25 Sep 2012)
It is possible that Samsung is talking about Tizen OS based devices ..
And whoever (Samsung/Google/Apple etc) brings the 64bit support .. it will benefit everyone in the upcoming future (may be not so soon) ..
I would love to see the 64bit support in Android OS and it's most popular apps.
35. GeekMovement (Posts: 2109; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
Well, let's face it. Samsung is much closer to 4gb of ram than anyone else at the moment. It will definitely come in handy for android's future.
Apple on the other hand... dunno.
40. TheM16 (Posts: 80; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)
Facts are....It all started when others started copying the first gen. iPhone 2007 ..enough said
79. tedkord (Posts: 8316; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
True. Then around 2010, everyone else zoomed past Apple, and they've been playing follow and catch up ever since.
44. Taters (Posts: 6337; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Samsung tries to beat everyone at everything. Make 4.7 inch screen, 4.8 on the GS3. Gorilla Glass 2? How about Gorilla Glass 3 on the GS4. Quad core? PSH Octa core mutha fukker! LTE? LTE - A bitches! 64 bit? Try 64-bit with 4gb of ddr6 ram! Suck on that!
Frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way. They have the money and the resources(factories). Let them give us overkill for the same price as HTC, Sony, and Apple products. I'll take it.
50. jad.boutary (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Sep 2013)
U realise that it isn't real octa core??
60. Taters (Posts: 6337; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Sure it is real octa core. There are 8 cores.......
Just because it doesn't use all 8 at once out of the box it doesn't change the fact that there is 8. Apple's IOS doesn't tax anything they include at all, let alone tax 32 bit, but that doesn't mean it isn't real 64 bit. It's there but they won't use it for awhile if ever, but its still there and very real.
Just like the Octa core is very real. You Samsung haters like to act like those 4 extra cores do not cost money or are not used or can never be programmed to run all 8 at once. Well, you are wrong on all 3 counts.
85. jad.boutary (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Sep 2013)
Dude if they don't work all toghter that doesn't mean that it is an octa core processor it is 2 quad core processor they are fooling stupide ppl how dont know about processor i have a lot of friends thathink it is octa it is called 2 quad core processor and thats it
100. Taters (Posts: 6337; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Um they can work together easily. In fact, some s**tty China company named mediatek just released the code that enables it......
Is it worth it coding it that way? Probably not. Does it shut tardy boys like you up? Sure does!
107. TheM16 (Posts: 80; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)
Correct, two CPU clusters, one cluster containing four A15 cores (clocked @ 1.8GHz) and the other cluster containing four A7 cores (clocked @ 1.3GHz) . the Exynos 5 Octa has 8 cores, but only permits one CPU cluster to operate at a time which causes some lag..
47. _god_ (banned) (Posts: 47; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
This is the reason why i hate samsung
49. jad.boutary (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Sep 2013)
And they call it inovation.. poor samsung fanboys
81. tedkord (Posts: 8316; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
No, they didn't. But Apple did. Taking ARM designs and ARM instruction sets is innovation for Apple.
87. jad.boutary (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Sep 2013)
Yeah at least they did something not copy and past it in there phone and voila inovation
101. Taters (Posts: 6337; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Lol dumb ass. They were first to introduce big little which is a lot more helpful than this is.
58. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
64-bit was before Apple started to use it in iPhone, so Samsung doesn't copy Apple.
"...Samsung is jealous of Apple's new 64-bit toy."
I don't think that Samsung is jelous, it is more like what was said in the article titles:
"...because it can't let Apple have anything "special""
63. SonyPS4 (Posts: 325; Member since: 21 May 2013)
But Samsung fan said this is another gimmick by Apple.
80. FanDroid (Posts: 5; Member since: 28 Oct 2012)
No iPu$$y user will benifit from 64-bit untill decades later cuz dat's when apple will add 4GB or more RAM to their phones. For SS maybe nxt yr 4 s5 or note 4 or s6...
83. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Let it go SS, you don't need to do this. When phones are ready for 64 bit architecture, release it and do well. Don't release it just because someone else is trying to get a 5 minute spotlight.