Samsung promises "64-bit functionality" in next smartphones, because it can't let Apple have anything "special"
0. phoneArena 12 Sep 2013, 00:58 posted on
That's right folks, we're back in the day care play area and Samsung is jealous of Apple's new 64-bit toy. Samsung apparently doesn't care much that 64-bit processing won't really help Apple all that much in the near future, nor that 64-bit support will be completely useless on an Android device (unless Android 4.4 KitKat is bringing 64-bit support)...
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1. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
The sad thing is Apple never innovate, and therefore Samsung never copies ... NOT.
29. Trex95 (Posts: 685; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
Samsung never copy! Samsung has 2 dept in mobile section RB and copy paste Lol.
43. BillyG (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)
and i bet they have lots of photocopy machine in there...
30. chrisgringo (Posts: 5; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
I don't think Samsung is jealous of Apple but I do think a certain fanboy writer is butthurt, intimidated, sour and has Sammy iRage! =D
41. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
chrisgringo: the writer was trying to be funny, and I dovetailed with sarcasm -- okay, you can't connect the ellipses; we understand.
I'll be serious for a moment, both literally and figuratively speaking, so please check out link:http://www.incipio.com/cases/i
It's a watchband for the iPod Nano 6. Just a few days ago, Samsung released the "Gear" -- if you ask me, that Gear is an IMPROVEMENT on the Apple product. People were using the iPod Nano as a smartwatch, but Apple **never** innovates. To a lot people, the iPod Nano was an attempt at a smartwatch. Enough said.
94. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I think you should first learn the meaning of a smart watch and why an MP3 player isn't one
33. Larry_ThaGr81 (Posts: 310; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I don't see how Apple consumers will benefit from 64 bit processing anytime soon. What's the point of introducing it as though it will have an immediate impact on Apple consumers.
42. joey_sfb (Posts: 4342; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
it's a software future proofing effort by Apple. they don't have much feature to focus their marketing therefore Apple talk a lot on 64 bit much like what Microsoft did during the Windows 7 launch. I have upgrade my desktop gaming pc from 32bit to 64bit Windows 7 with zero percent speed improvement.
Still necessary if I need the full benefit of my 16Gb ram. No higher fps but still give me great satisfaction of my achievement. Especially after overcoming driver problem and game crushes due to 64 bits.
62. parvsingh05 (Posts: 98; Member since: 11 Jan 2012)
There are so many features that Samsung has put on there fone but stil not getting utilised completely. If apple does it , usay what's da point putting it in a phone right now, future is here
34. Sniggly (Posts: 7285; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I actually have to give props to Samsung for not staying silent.
Also, you'd be a fool to think Samsung wasn't already working on 64 bit processors with the intent to have them ready within another generation or so, and Android will likely include such optimization anyway with KitKat. Android could be the key to breaking the Apple-Microsoft mainline computing duopoly.
59. Zeus.k (unregistered)
Well it makes perfect sense to. Include 64 bit support since Samsung is the only major manufacturer to have 3GB ram and they might break the 4GB RAM barrier with note4. Apple hasn't even put 2GB of ram in anything. Apple is first to include something doesn't mean that others weren't working on it.
61. yowanvista (Posts: 340; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
No it doesn't make sense, Cortex-A15 SoCs can already address up to 1TB of RAM with LPAE enabled.
70. tedkord (Posts: 7351; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I'm not sure about ARMs implementation, but when I tried enabling address extension on my old Windows/Intel 32bit box with 4gb about 6 years ago, it not only gave no improvement, it actually got really unstable. To the point that I disabled it and later picked up Vista Ultimate 64bit and installed it on another partition and dual booted. The XP partition used 3gb, the Vista used 4gb.
But even with the extra gig of ram, 64bit yielded no discernable or benchmark improvements. Whether I ran the 32 bit versions in XP, or alongside the 64bit versions in Vista, benefits were negligible.
86. joey_sfb (Posts: 4342; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
actually 64bit is slightly slower compare to Windows xp 32 bit for a very long time but now nobody bother with Windows 32bit anymore especially newer build system.
128. Dr.Tom (Posts: 46; Member since: 11 May 2013)
Don't forget that we are now at 3Gb level, when at the start of 2013, 1 Gb was the norm. By the time the new SamyS5 comes out, it will probably have 4Gbs ram, which means that it can take advantage of a 64 bit cpu. If not the Note 4 will have more than 4Gbs, and its the new gold standard for phones! Until the Apple 7 arrives, which will then be forced to get atleast 4 Gb ram just to keep up!
69. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I'm willing to bet that Samsung had no plans at all to incorporate a 64 bit processor. The iPhone 5S is launching BEFORE the Note III, yet Samsung was unable to incorporate the 64-bit processor in a phone that's 2-3 volume of the iPhone and has 3 gigs of RAM? Not even the Galaxy Tab will have it? They obviously weren't planning for it.
71. tedkord (Posts: 7351; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Because they understand that 64 bit yields negligible improvements unless more than 4gb of ram is employed. The Note 3 had only 3gb of ram.
Read my reply above. I got virtually zero gain from going 64bit in my old desktop. That's why so few desktop programs are 64bit even today. My newest PC has 16gb ram, so it likely sees a benefit, though I can't prove it because I've got only 64bit OS installed.
Yes, manufacturers were planning the move to 64bit, mainly because ARM had already announced they were coming out with 64bit cites early next year.
134. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
And so why couldn't those devices get 4gig of RAM this year? Samsung will be putting the 64-bit processor in "future devices" yet somehow I doubt the Galaxy S5 and very possibly the Note 4 will be getting 4gigs of ram.
118. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1929; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Why would they implement 64 bit now, if android doesnt even support it, nor any apps out there.
135. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Why would they announce that they will support it if there's a good possibility that Kit-Kat will not support it?
39. special4u (Posts: 63; Member since: 22 May 2013)
samsung is waiting ARM finalize the design for them so they can put exynos logo on it
54. tedkord (Posts: 7351; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
ARM has been planning 64bit processors for some time, to come out early next year. It was obvious that 64bit was coming next and soon. Apple just rushed to be first probably to set up lawsuits. And the worst part is it's virtually gainless with only one or two gb of ram.
92. thedarkside (Posts: 652; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Samsung made the A7 chips in the iphone 5s/5c.
108. jaxson983 (Posts: 43; Member since: 11 Aug 2013)
Samsung is making the A7...is it coping if you are making it in the first place. Also its all useless right now anyway. You will prob have to buy an iphone 6 or 6s or 7 before its worth anything same with Samsung unless they add the ram.
119. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1929; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
They mass producing it, the cpu itself is designed by Apple. But it is useless right now.
121. Trololol (Posts: 33; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)
"useless right now" i agree with u sir
but we dont know what will happen next, right?
132. jaxson983 (Posts: 43; Member since: 11 Aug 2013)
that's my point. we don't know what will happen next but "next" wont be this phone. It doesn't have the ram. I guess really its an indication that they will stop supporting the 5c and lower in coming years. The 5s will do an eh job with 64bit apps and then future models will be designed around it. Or they will have a huge gap between the top and bottom and more and more apps that work for some phones but not others.
141. Trololol (Posts: 33; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)
but who knows? maybe 4gigs ram on iphone............9s
112. ph00ny (Posts: 750; Member since: 26 May 2011)
it would make more sense for samsung to use 64bit than apple since they're getting close to the 4GB memory limit of 32bit
120. designerfx (Posts: 76; Member since: 26 Mar 2013)
nothing here is relevant. the article title is crap, and so are the comments.
Every ARM processor is moving towards X64 for a variety of reasons. This has no correlation to any individual vendor.
125. johnbftl (Posts: 265; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
I don't see how Samsung would be copying Apple by implementing a 64-bit processor. That A7 processor that Apple is carrying under the hood is made by Samsung, not Apple. One cannot copy or steal technology created by oneself. It'd be like accusing the German scientists the U.S. employed after World War 2 of copying the designs of the jet propulsion engine from the Nazis.
126. scumbledEGG (unregistered)
64bit??? what a gimmick!!! nahaha! clear win, apple takes home the "W" haha!
THE SECRET OF GETTING AHEAD IS GETTING STARTED!!!
2. D.Aceveda (Posts: 377; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
64 bit is pointless on a mobile device. Apple needs 64bit since they still haven't got past the 1gb limit LOL
106. ghaniosman (Posts: 69; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)
forget apple!! now samsung (the new cool) is doing it, thats matters!!!
secondly, PA even if google hasn't announced yet but samsung did so not to worry since samsung is already dominating google's android OS and what samsung demands google have to do it.
111. Commentator (Posts: 2909; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Ageed. Even IF Apple were able to cram 4+ GB into the iPhone 5S, we'd be watching all this amazing performance... on a tiny screen.
I could see this being much more applicable on an iPad, but knowing Apple they won't be putting more than 4 GB into the iPad until 2018.
3. TGreg104 (Posts: 38; Member since: 14 Jun 2011)
I know you meant this to be playful and it is but honestly its bound to happen, its just the next logical step as far as SoC's go since we're nearing the 4gb mark. I honestly think Apple made the A7 a 64-bit because they saw that android devices are coming to the point where 64-bit makes sense and just wanted to be the first to do it. I'm sure the iPhone 6 will have 4gbs of ram, and I'm sure the next android flag ships will be 64-bit/+4gb of ram. Its just how it goes. Good for apple i guess
23. TechBizJP08 (Posts: 495; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
4GB rams still not coming next year IMO. at least after 2 years.
37. Reality_Check (Posts: 277; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
I think the Ubuntu Edge had 4GB RAM? Though it didn't reach its goal. A chinese company is also going to sell an Android smartphone with 4GB RAM (Hasee I think) So I think 2014 will be a year of 3/4GB RAM's.
28. a_merryman (Posts: 749; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
I'm hoping the 64-bit is part of Apple's plans to make a more computer like tablet with the iPad, by offering more functionality and thus increasing its ram and storage options to help.
Likewise, I hope google does it because I think Android on a hybrid tablet might be pretty nice.
Although that Asus T100 looks like a pretty good deal, full-blown windows 8.1, decent specs all for only $349 (Which includes the keyboard dock, and the 64GB is only $399)
55. tedkord (Posts: 7351; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Apple aren't going to offer anything that cuts into their profit margins. If an extra GB of ram costs them $80, expect to pay an extra $200.
129. Dr.Tom (Posts: 46; Member since: 11 May 2013)
Only $200 extra? Apple generally mark up 500 percent. So an $80 part adds $400 to the bottom line. Follow this rule and the extra 4Gb ram adds about $40, so that adds $200 to the bottom line! If the new iPhone 5S costs about $900-1000 (off contract price), a 5-6Gb iPhone with no other upgrades will cost about $1100-1200 to buy! Better save cause even for me, thats stupid money to give for a phone!
56. tedkord (Posts: 7351; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Apple aren't going to offer anything that cuts into their profit margins. If an extra GB of ram costs them $80, expect to pay an extra $200.
48. LiquidGalaxy (Posts: 322; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
Does the iPhone really need anymore RAM though? I'm yet to think it does. It may only have 1gb but it still runs games and the overall OS a lot smoother and quicker than any flagship Android or Windows phone i've used. Optimisation really is key, and Apple have that in the bag..
57. tedkord (Posts: 7351; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Simplicity also helps. Never having to dynamically resize content for different screens for example. The less something does, the less resources it need and the easier it is to make it s smooth.
That said, I'm running AOSP android 4.3 right now and it is every bit as smooth and fluid as iOS.
127. scumbledEGG (unregistered)
+1tgreg104, its even, its all about choice...
4. pyradark (Posts: 809; Member since: 10 Jun 2012)
even google play is not capable of bringing 1080p apps!! while iOS does
72. tedkord (Posts: 7351; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Awesome! 1080p apps on a 640p screen! That 1080p will do as much good on a 640p screen as a 64bit processor/OS on a 2gb ram machine.
84. iampayne (Posts: 321; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
Yeah completely disregard the iPad right, blind hate just makes you sound dumb
89. joey_sfb (Posts: 4342; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
tedkord just stated a technical fact. deal with it.
however if you think Apple new iPhone is great value you could buy it and be happy. I don't think it good enough for me.
Hope iPhone 6 would be better.
97. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Can you prove that with plausible links?
5. clevername (Posts: 1435; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
At the risk of sounding like a troll or mindless fan boy, there is no way people can say Samsung isn't copying here. They could've announced it next month, in a few months when rumors pick up for the S5, or for any reason. But the day after apples announcement... This just screams "me too"
13. suneeboy (Posts: 201; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
It's not copying. Its the natural progression of technology. So is everyone copying the original 1080p phone? Is any phone copying the original phone that provided push e-mail? What about quad core processors? What about touch screens? When new technology becomes available and possible, it expands. Its not copying. Get past that infantile school yard way of thinking. We all do things that we've seen others do. Apple is copying HTC by using larger pixels. Apple is copying Nokia by using a plastic body and using various colors. Apple is copying the Motorola Atrix with the fingerprint scanner. Sound stupid right? Because it is. There is no copying going on. It's the natural evolution of technology.
27. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Why announce this 1 day after Apple's event? 64-bit processors supposedly have no benefit to mobile devices today whatsoever and Google's OS doesn't won't even allow 64-bit apps to work. So then what exactly is the functional purpose of adding this feature? There is none. Samsung is copying just for copying-sake so STFU with your preachy BS.
38. TheM16 (Posts: 80; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)
Jealousy maybe? Or to get people’s attention again cuz all eyes on Apple at the moment =)
73. tedkord (Posts: 7351; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
As had been explanted ad nauseum here, the benefit comes when devices start exceeding 4gb of ram.
It's like buying a 4k TV now. You will still be getting only 1080 content until 4k content becomes available. But it is future proof.
136. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Samsung will be putting the 64-bit processor in future smartphones, Will the S5 have 4 gigs of ram? Very unlikely. Will it have the 64-bit processor? Most definitely. Will Google bring 64-bit support at all this year? Who knows.
91. suneeboy (Posts: 201; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)
Preachy BS? So as soon as Apple increases the screen size or ups the resolution of their phone to 1080p you better be the first moron on these boards trolling about how Apple copied.
Also, why aren't you trolling about Apple copying Android with the control center and quick settings? What about swipe to close apps in iOS7? You're too stupid to even think that far. You just quack like a duck online, "Copy, Copy, Copy, Copy". Like a little kid.