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Samsung outs ISOCELL phone camera sensor, touts superior low-light abilities

0. phoneArena 24 Sep 2013, 03:20 posted on

With every smartphone maker scrambling to put an emphasis on the camera virtues of its flagships, Samsung is not going to be outdone, it seems. The company just announced its new ISOCELL technology, which it says is superior to the back side illumination (BSI) sensors in current handsets. BSI, Samsung says, has limitations considering the ever-shrinking pixel size in the 13 MP, 20 MP or even 41 MP phones we have today, by increasing cross-talk interference between pixels so close to each other...

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posted on 24 Sep 2013, 03:27

1. shy2papa (Posts: 195; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)


Dame!!!

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 03:27 8

2. aditya.k (Posts: 407; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)


Photoshop! :P

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 03:29 9

3. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2095; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Wow... great... Taking pictures would be again more adventurous with this ISOCELL. I think all technologies are gearing up for making a S5 by Sammy.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 03:40 10

4. hipnotika (Posts: 177; Member since: 06 Mar 2013)


its same sh-t :D

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 03:55 3

6. alexfiran (Posts: 40; Member since: 13 Jun 2013)


nope..it's not the same shiit:D

posted on 07 Nov 2013, 07:17

31. deewinc (Posts: 102; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


You mean iporn?

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 03:55 6

5. cezarepc (Posts: 442; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


I can't see the difference.

And if it's going to go against BSI, photo samples should be taken in LOW LIGHT.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 03:56 5

7. alexfiran (Posts: 40; Member since: 13 Jun 2013)


yes you can, otherwise you need glasses:))

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 04:24 3

10. Doppiadi (Posts: 15; Member since: 18 Feb 2013)


You have to be a bit into photography to see it. They say it also increases dynamic range and that's exactly what you see in the comparison. Left pic is badly overexposed with lack of image information on the high range, the right pic instead preserves the same accuracy on the low range, not losing image information on the high tones.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 04:48

12. cezarepc (Posts: 442; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


Ok, I must admit the dynamic range is better on the right picture but as you guys can see it's blown up pretty big for us to notice that. So that said BSI or ISOCELL don't really care what ends up in my phone since difference is marginal.

But what it's touting is "superior low-light abilities" and that's what I wanna see compared to BSI shots. I love my Nokia N8 simply because of the Xenon flash, but sometimes I want shots without flash and N8 is miserable in low-light. I've seen the HTC One and Lumia 1020 low-light shots and those are superb (though OIS played a big part on the test). 80% of that quality and I'm all for ISOCELL.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 04:02 8

8. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 664; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


Samsung haters are going to be very mad their fav manufacturer hasn't done this, shame.

Anyway...

This is excellent! :D I hope this is the end of Samsung using Sony's rather average sensors (despite beating Sony with their own sensors).

Can't wait for the GS5 even more now! :)

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 04:29 5

11. emadshiny (Posts: 1081; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


LOL, you look so paradoxical.
So far your S4 had the best camera and now Sony's sensors are average?
you're a real blind fanboy!

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 05:12 5

13. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 664; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


It has the best camera thanks to Samsung being able to optimize their software well enough to do a better job than Sony did with their own Sensor. The Xperia Z has the same sensor is quite poor to say the least. Having a Sensor made by Samsung coupled with their excellent software will be brilliant.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 05:30 5

16. emadshiny (Posts: 1081; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


I never ignore Sammy's ability in optimizing the software but if the hardware is not capable, how they can optimize it?
and please never try to compare Sammy with Sony in their ability to produce perfect sensors. Sammy is just a beginner in this field.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 06:02 2

19. adjou (Posts: 102; Member since: 06 Jul 2010)


The fact that near every android company is using Sony's sensor and not Samsungs shows something. You can diss Sony's camera software, thats ok, cause everyone knows its sh!t. But hardware! They are pros. Samsung still have a long way to go

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 07:33

20. SonyPS4 (Posts: 219; Member since: 21 May 2013)


Do you know Nikon also used Sony sensor in their dslr camera. The probelm with first Z is software not hardware.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 04:21 1

9. Edmund (Posts: 645; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


lmfao... heard it all before: first there was Sony making the same claims with its "Xmor RS" sensor, followed by HTC with their "ultra pixels", and finally motorola and its "clearPixel" BS.
Not one of these phones has come even close to matching the low light performance of the Lumia 920/925, let alone the Lumia 1020.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 05:26 1

15. kobainez (Posts: 292; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


FYI lumia 920/925 using xmor rs sensor so why bash sony sensor?

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 07:34 1

21. dexter_jdr (Posts: 995; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


gimme source. i wanna know

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 16:04

29. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Let me help you

http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com/2013/05/nokia-lumia-920-uses-sony-sensor.html?m=1

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 05:36 3

18. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


It seems you don’t know that Lumia 920/925 using Sony camera sensor.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 07:56

23. freebee269 (Posts: 496; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)


That's the sad part for Sony. Nokia does better with Sony hardware than Sony does.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 16:08

30. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Yeah i agree with you for now Apple, Nokia, and Samsung does better than Sony when it comes to SW.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 09:05

25. Edmund (Posts: 645; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


no it doesn't- Nokia orders its sensors from toshiba

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 16:01

28. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Just enjoy your stupidity!

http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com/2013/05/nokia-lumia-920-uses-sony-sensor.html?m=1

posted on 07 Nov 2013, 07:22

32. deewinc (Posts: 102; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


That is just a blogspot and not a reliable source.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 05:13

14. SonyFindOneDroidple (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 May 2013)


Ill wait ;)) i am happy seeing Samsung doing something for their camera and phone's body.. next is a fresh UI Look, better mic and speakers..

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 05:34 7

17. rodkurt (Posts: 128; Member since: 29 Nov 2012)


"better low-light abilities" yet the picture is taken under broad daylight....-.-

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 07:36

22. dexter_jdr (Posts: 995; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


so they say new samsung tech is better than larger bsi sensors?
lets get the battle starting!

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 08:55 1

24. nbringer (Posts: 83; Member since: 11 Sep 2012)


I see no difference!

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 09:29

26. _Bone_ (Posts: 2061; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


It has to be super impressive to outdo the Exmor RS on Sammy's own Note III.

posted on 24 Sep 2013, 11:53 1

27. Guarulhos (Posts: 39; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)


Technology useless !

The image sensor can be FSI, BSI or ISOCELL ... If he did not have a good physical size (at least 1/2.3 ") and have a good amount of microns per pixel integrated (at least 1.75 microns), it will not provide outstanding image quality compared to the others !

For these and other that by the end of 2014 (estimated date when we will see the announcement of his lawful successor) in the field of digital photography, 808 PurevView continue to be the biggest and the best solution in the mobile world !

P.S: If Samsung, Sony, Apple and others want to overcome Nokia, specifically the 808, should think of a sensor at least 1" and at least 5 microns per pixel integrated !

posted on 07 Nov 2013, 07:24

33. deewinc (Posts: 102; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


Since Samsung is extending their patent relationship with Nokia, I find it fit for them to cough out a few billions of $$$ and use Nokia's camera technology.

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