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Samsung might have sold twice as many smartphones as Apple

0. phoneArena 26 Jul 2012, 09:26 posted on

For the first time in a while Apple sold significantly less iPhones than analysts expected - 26 million on projections for 28 million or more, and this might have…

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posted on 26 Jul 2012, 14:56 3

61. hitmantb (Posts: 77; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)

Samsung+Motorola+HTC combined still loses to Apple in mobile revenue, but Samsung alone beats Apple in number of units sold, the only logical conclusion is Samsung sold way more cheap devices than expensive ones.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:19 3

65. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

no, the obvious conclusion is that the average price of a samsung unit is less than the price of an apple unit. Yes, they sell the spectrum, but the top 10 sales for ALL android devices is almost completely populated by high end units.. many of which are more expencive than the iphone.

Samsung makes LESS because the phones cost MORE to produce (better, faster,newer, and bigger tech with more features is expensive) and except for the SGS3 and probably the Note, sell at retail and to carriers at similar pricing or less than an iphone.

Samsung isnt known for bending carriers over backwards and making them poor or having to raise their rates to sell their product.THAT is the reason Samsung is on more carriers. They are willing to negotiate with retailers and carriers. Apple makes demands.. you either give in or go without.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 12:26 4

45. xtian1103 (Posts: 363; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)

not sure if this is phonearena or car arena!

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 12:37 1

46. hung2900 (Posts: 956; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)

GS3 has released for just 2 months with int version and 2/3 month with US version.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:11 2

63. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

smh... after all that great info you posted the only thing these trolls pulled from it was "APPLE = BMW'


its pointless to express an intellectual opinion here...

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 12:07 2

40. thebest (Posts: 231; Member since: 08 Jul 2012)

but thats the difference between apple and samsung, apple sells only flagship mobiles while samsung prefers a phone at every price point.........if apple goes for numbers they will not be valuable anymore...apple makes money with the os, the itunes store,app store etc etc.......samsung is a professional hardware company that also makes components for other companies

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 12:56 4

50. tedkord (Posts: 11736; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

There's one other difference - Samsung doesn't take advantage of a serverely flawed patent system to try and eliminate all competition with stolen ideas and overly broad generalised patents.

posted on 27 Jul 2012, 03:03 1

83. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Yea cause Samsung is stealing the ideas

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 12:53 2

48. tedkord (Posts: 11736; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

And this is why we have lawsuit after lawsuit.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 13:10 5

51. tedkord (Posts: 11736; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

The history of iRationalization...

2007 -"Android is just vaporware, it doesn't exist."
2008 - "Android will never sell as much as iOS"
2009 - "Its apps, man. Android will never have the number if apps."
2011 - "Android has dozens of OEMs. No one will ever outsell Apple"

Now, we're in 2012, and we have reached the final phase, which we saw from Mac owners 20 years ago. "We are part if the special few who can afford our upscale iPhone. The unwashed masses just settle for something other than our premium product."

Of course this ignores that the biggest selling

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 13:28 6

52. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)

Reports like these are really starting to show how scared Apple is of Android. We really only hear the lawsuits between Apple and Samsung now, when it was Apple vs HTC and Apple vs Motorola, we didn't get as much information as we so with the Samsung cases.

Apple hates competition, they always have and will bring anyone to court they deem as a threat all the while they'll steal and patent other companies technology, send in cooperate spies, make their patents as broad as they can so they can be applied to anything they want.

Someone made a touch screen device? Sue them!
Someone using the slide to unlock that we stole from the Neonode N1m? Sue them!
Someone is using gestures that we stole from the Neonode N1m? Sue them!
Someone has voice search that we acquired from buying out the company? Sue them!
Someone made a rounded rectangle? Sue them!
Someone is making more money than us? Sue them!
We're losing our grip on the market? SUE EVERYONE!

And you gotta really wonder, why isn't Apple suing RIM or adding Windows Phone devices from HTC, Nokia or Samsung to their list of devices? Oh wait, because Steve Jobs vowed to go thermonuclear on Android.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 14:02 3

54. tech-head (Posts: 133; Member since: 02 Sep 2011)

lol....pretty much nailed it.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 14:08 4

56. mark1 (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)

wait! BMW???
Japanese mobile carrier SoftBank, offering free "iPhone for everybody"( two-year contract)

it is not surprise. Americans are very smart

In 2003, Americans aged 18 to 24 were surveyed about their geographic knowledge.
Just half could find the state of New York.

Survey(educated class): 42% of college students think Motorola is a Japanese!
More than half of college students surveyed believed Samsung was a Japanese company, with only 9.8% correctly identifying the company as Korean.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:20 1

66. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

id like the link to that.. but unfortunately I can see it being at least semi-true.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 15:48 3

68. mark1 (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)

click here link text

SoftBank offering free "iPhone for everybody"

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2009/02/softbank-offe ring-free-iphone-for-everybody/

National Geographic
48% of young Americans believe the majority population in India is Muslim. (It's Hindu—by a landslide.)
Half of young Americans can't find New York on a map, etc

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/findin gs.html

The article reports on a survey conducted by market-research firm Anderson Analytics, which found out that 42% of college students think Motorola is a Japanese company. More than half of college students surveyed believed Nokia was a Japanese company, with only 4.4% correctly identifying the company as Finnish.(Finland-Northern Europe )

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/2526624 3/survey-42-college-students-think-motorola-japane se-company

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 14:37 3

59. hitmantb (Posts: 77; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)

Apple is world's most valuable company, with revenue/profit equal to Google+Microsoft, with the highest cash supply of any company in existence, you can't get any higher than #1.

This is why Apple uses its excessive capital on:

1) Supply chain dominance - Buying up huge quantities of components and create supply chain issues for its smaller competitors like Asus

2) Shotgun approach on Lawsuits - Burn the excessive cash supply on lawsuits, the goal was never to completely shut out anyone, the sole purpose is to harass the competitors and force them to respond and burn cash. When you have 120 billion cash against someone (say Asus or HTC) with 500 million, it is very favorable to burn 150 million of your cash (less than 0.1 %) to burn 100 million of a smaller competitor's 500 million (20%). Not to mention every now and then you do land a critical hit, like HTC One or Galaxy Nexus injunction.

It is truly a brilliant strategy. This is exactly why other than Samsung (only because of their chips/display business giving them all the components they need, hence immunity to supply chain dominance), no other Android vendor is making real money.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 14:39 1

60. hitmantb (Posts: 77; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)

Again, anything with a contract, the carrier paid Apple $400-500 and expects to make it back over the course of the contract.

It is completely different than selling unlocked Android phones for $100, which is quickly replacing feature phones. The low end Androids are what gives Android the market share advantage and units sold advantage. The high end Android combined still can not beat iPhone in units, and the revenue/profit numbers Apple posts proves it.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 16:12

70. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

ios and android have completely different strategies. ios is about being on limited devices ie only apples where as android is to be in every device imaginable and not just phones. reason why no single android phone will sell more than a single iphone is simple logic, choice.. there is 3 iphones with ios and only 1 high end model the 4s with ios. now if only 100 people had to choose from the 3gs,4 and 4s majority will pick 4s if not all because its the only high end. now with android there is 100's of low end,mid and high ends. now if 100 people were to pick from just the high ends which included the s3,one x,maxx etc and all the other 100's of devices,each device is getting smaller sales as there is more choices/

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 18:22

72. tedkord (Posts: 11736; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

You just keep believing that if it helps you sleep at night.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 18:40

73. chester1 (Posts: 5; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)

I find some of the comments here strange. Why would an apple fan be happy that apple post huge profits. It suggests that they have been charged significantly more than cost per phone, the difference fattening apples bottom line......?

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 20:20 1

77. Fuego84 (Posts: 344; Member since: 13 May 2012)

Phonearena I would like there to be a poll or some form of knowing if Samsung galaxy s3 owners are actually satisfied with the phone since all the hype there's been. Also if any sgs3 owners are waiting to buy an iphone5 even if it would be stupid to switch.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 20:56

79. darkkjedii (Posts: 21377; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

I'd actually care if I worked for apple, or Samsung. Since I don't though yaaaaawwwwwwwwn.

posted on 26 Jul 2012, 21:08 1

81. darkkjedii (Posts: 21377; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

When u look at device support, build quality, os quality, dependability, customer service, updates, value, and resale value apple is about the best there is. People knock them, bash them, talk as negative about apple as possible, but when push comes to shove u can't go wrong with their products. This is neither pro/anti apple, it's just fact. They aren't the most valuable company for nothing. Resale value alone makes it worth owing an apple devices. eBay, gazelle, amazon, and Craigslist all list apple products as the highest priced, then the other devices. They still need to stop suing everybody though, and give iOS a face lift..

posted on 28 Jul 2012, 07:56

84. sonofzeus (Posts: 95; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

apple is for the people who have money whereas samsung has a phone for all

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