Samsung in 'final stages' with a 64-bit Exynos processor, prime candidate for the Galaxy S5
0. phoneArena 23 Sep 2013, 03:48 posted on
After it became clear that Samsung is still producing the A7, and the Koreans chimed in they are all for doubling the mobile chipset bits, it was a matter of time before we learn such an Exynos is indeed in the pipeline, and we might see it in the next flagship, the Galaxy S5. This chip is meant for smartphones as well as tablets, said the Samsung source, cited by the publication...
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1. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8300; Member since: 14 May 2012)
A53 and A57 architecture on 14nm... Holy hell this chip going to FLY.
29. james004 (Posts: 471; Member since: 15 May 2013)
-_- What are you planning? running a server from your phone? i think that has already be done with old galaxy nexus.
this is overkill to max.
had you mentioned the battery saving, it wouldnt have been as ridiculous
33. james004 (Posts: 471; Member since: 15 May 2013)
also the android is 32 bit, go figure how you are gonna use that 64 bit as it, which it is actually bit for.
52. taikucing (unregistered)
soon Google will update android into 64-bit. Just wait and see.
65. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
That's a good one especially after how Google crapped all over Oracle. Seems like the Google folks forgot a few important details.
69. Bootutu (Posts: 189; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Android is 64bit long time ago
35. joey_sfb (Posts: 2931; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
"640 kB is enough" is a myth attributed to Gates.
Bill also said "we will never make a 32-bit operating system".
My stand is technology waits for no man or company.
62. Shatter (Posts: 2027; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Well 64bit supports up to 16.8 terabytes of ram so we are not going to see anything higher anytime soon. Windows itself is only programmed to support up to 192GB and even that is more than what 99.99999999% of the population will ever need anytime soon.
34. brrunopt (Posts: 508; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)
it will be 14nm, in 1 to 2 years (at best)...
it will be at 20nm around 2H 2014
63. Shatter (Posts: 2027; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Arm is lagging behind already, intel is prepping 22nm chips for phones, already has them for desktops/laptops and have 15nm chips coming next year.
75. av911 (Posts: 139; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Who ISN'T behind Intel in chip manufacturing?
76. Chris_Bakke (Posts: 202; Member since: 23 Jan 2013)
Well, apparently Qualcomm. How many Intel powered phones/tablets are there vs the number of Qualcomm powered phones/tablets?
80. sarge77 (Posts: 202; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
Hey got to give credit where its due but since your upgrading your processor jow about updating your antennas for each of your devices as well for three g and four g LTE and your wifi antenna thx.
2. juandante (Posts: 301; Member since: 23 Apr 2013)
I don't like when Apple integrate a feature all other manufacturers just jump and follow them like a fly making newbies think Apple is always innovating. Why don't they have the damn idea to add those things before Apple ? And the funny part is that 64 bit calculation is far more useful on Android than on the very basic and simple iOS.
10. _Bone_ (Posts: 2129; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
The branding on the first 64-bit smartphone processor is Samsung and not Apple, the iPhone merely got the chip earlier, but Sammy's been working on a 64bit SoC for Android for quite some time. It just debuts with A53/A57, which is why it's next year.
14. juandante (Posts: 301; Member since: 23 Apr 2013)
So you say that it is because the iPhone is out just at the right moment ? But the same thing goes for fingerprint scanner, and the dual LED with 'fixed tones'. Watch how in the next month every new phone will have at least one of those two features. Motorola had a fingerprint scanner but it didn't sell. I think that the manufacturers are waiting on Apple's marketing to promote what they want to put in their own phones later, and this is bad as we always have to wait on next damn iPhone most of the time to have serious new trends. They could do it without Apple (eg: Nokia with the 808), but they are lazy.
18. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8300; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Really? Is OIS found in any model of the iPhone? NO.
25. vincelongman (Posts: 1190; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
I agree with _Bone_, ARM already announce their 64-bit A57/53, and since Samsung used big.LITTLE with A15/A7 it was obvious that Samsung would use 64-bit A57/53 sooner or later.
Also Apple weren't the first with a 64-bit CPU, it was the Huawei Ascend D Quad with their K3V2 CPU.
There were various other phones with fingerprint readers before Motorola (2011) as well. For example the Acer Tempo M900 (2009) LG Expo (2010), Toshiba Portégé G500 (2010).
50. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 952; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
The K3V2 is 40nm 32-bit, not 28nm 64-bit.
49. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 952; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
I'm looking at the teardown, and it clearly shows Apple. Samsung couldn't brand the A7 and sell it, because they lack the Architecture license for custom ARM. I know ig hurts your little fanboy feelers, but its time to accept that Apple's processor design team is ahead of Samsung on the curve. Samsung will keep fabbing stock ARM designs for themselves while fabbing advanced custom ARM dilicon for Apple.
88. saffant (Posts: 219; Member since: 04 Jul 2011)
Apple designed the Cyclone core in the A7 which happens to be built around the ARMv8 architecture. Samsung just provided their production resources to manufacture these socs in bulk. Apple gets full credit for being the leader.
17. TheM16 (Posts: 80; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)
That’s why nothing special about Samsung as usual.
19. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8300; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Except their market share, income, and products. Yup.
36. JMartin22 (Posts: 1093; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
He's right though, what are you advocating? Companies like MediaTek making 8-core CPUs, each with low-quality processing and energy conservation, coupled with the fact that the vast majorities of applications only utilize up to 2 cores.
Let's face it, these big companies like Samsung/Qualcomm have the resources and the money to employ the best engineers to make the most cutting-edge technology a reality.
68. volcano321 (Posts: 20; Member since: 08 Aug 2013)
You were just owned. In this situation it's better to keep quiet.. lol
27. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 809; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
I think it's just like, useful or not just have it anyway. Their just keeping to trend or marketing.....
58. OmarF82 (Posts: 17; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)
Did you read this sentence in the article? "After it became clear that Samsung is still producing the A7..."
3. jose.vu (Posts: 16; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
Problems are still energy efficiency and software optimization, I still don't think 64bit is good for mobile phone right now, it's good for marketing though ...
81. RomeoJDR (Posts: 237; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)
Agree. An upgrade in Cortex architecture amounts to enormous performance and efficiency improvement with or without 64bit. I just have not read anywhere how 64bit is an advantage unless you have more than 4GB of working memory to utilize. The Note 3 tops the list at 3GB and I really can't see dedicated graphics memory added to a phone for a while, so what is the point of 64bit until phones contain the other hardware necessary to take advantage of it?
83. Shatter (Posts: 2027; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Might as well release it now so in 2-3 years when 4GB is the standard for phones it is already optimized for..
4. shy2papa (Posts: 206; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)
better not be made of plastic again like the s4, we need premium phone both outside and inside
7. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8300; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Article barely mentioned the S5, and you had to ruin it didn't you?
84. Shatter (Posts: 2027; Member since: 29 May 2013)
My guess is the S5 will have a metal back like that one version of the Galaxy S did where the bottom slides down and the metal cover pops off..
5. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8300; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Picture 9 says support for up to 16 cores... Wtf? What app will use all 16 cores?
32. TechBizJP08 (Posts: 495; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
In my opinion. If OEM pushing the boundery of hardware. They should look at the capability of the OS first. Or else, use the hardware as desktop OS. Like what canonical is doing. I think smartphones ar now at its peak. Unless we see a holographic capability. Now we are talking.. hehe
Hardware we are seeing today is getting crazy.. haha
42. yowanvista (Posts: 304; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
PhoneArena included slides which are totally irrelevant to this article. Cortex-A5x series are targeted at servers. They won't land in any smartphone in their current state. You'll have to wait for 2-3 more die shrinks. Samsung will very likely create their own AArch64 core design just like Apple did with the A7.
6. _Bone_ (Posts: 2129; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Samsung had a shaky 2013 as far as performance/efficiency goes, mostly because of the A15 architecture is hard to control at 28nm. The 20/14nm manufacturing as well as proper core migration and 64-bit implementation will bring huge advantages with less heat and power problems, but the "old" 5420 will show some live even before that.
8. amats69 (Posts: 1051; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
So expect a S5 with finger print scanner,64 bit chip plus dual led flash?lol..Samsung really loves apple..
20. Trex95 (Posts: 544; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
Finger print , 64-bit, 5 GB of ram and quad LED flash (Normal LED+LED color tune+xenon flash+ kindle flash) lol.
Actually Apple it's the GOD father of Samsung!
21. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8300; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Stop embarassing yourself with comments like this...
37. JMartin22 (Posts: 1093; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
If people like you give the "truth" - then maybe I want to be lied to lol.
39. joey_sfb (Posts: 2931; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Nope. That's only one side of the coin. And you know the other side would be not as pretty.
4" screen. lag in iOS 7. zero apps that take advantage of the 64bits. iOS has feature fragmentation.
I like iOS for its strength but they do have weakness that i also acknowledge and accept.
Keep bashing Android would not change anything. I use both for their strength.
30. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 809; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
64but pretty useless on iPhone
1- iOS doesn't that much horse power
2- main reason or advantage of 64bit is the ability to surpass 4gb ram limit of 32bit.
So its better to have it on android since some android phone has already reached 3GB ram while iPhone still sticks with 1GB ram.
48. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)
And even with 1.3 Ghz Dual Core processor paired with 'just' 1GB of RAM, it literally blows away your octa core sh!t.
That's just sad.
54. taikucing (unregistered)
55. taikucing (unregistered)
iOS 7 lags & drains battery faster
72. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
And here we have exhibit A) Apple fan compares a limited os to android ONCE AGAIN! Give it up. Of course benchmarks are going to be higher for an OS that weighs 5lbs.
53. Trex95 (Posts: 544; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
Then explain me how the IPhone 5S with dual core manage to beats all galaxy's line including note 3 with 3 gig of ram and 2.3 ghz! Even though Xperia Z1 beats note 3 in 4k video streaming!
56. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8300; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Explain to me how the iPhone 5S lags with it's mighty 64-bit processor. Bet you can't.
60. HansGoneInsane (Posts: 383; Member since: 09 Aug 2013)
Which lag exactly are you referring to? Could you please elaborate? I use iOS7 on my iPhone 4. The only animation I discovered not running perfectly smooth is pulling spotlight down the screen to search for something (which I barely use on my iPhone). Apart from that iOS runs perfectly smooth even on my 3 years old iPhone 4. Are you aware of anymore lag than that or do you just talking none sense?
61. TheM16 (Posts: 80; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)
They are just talking none sense...Fanism reply only… don’t bother,
It remains the smoothest OS on the market along with BB10 & WP.
71. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)
Haha, true. PapaSmurf is a perfect fandroid from heart. Stating profound statements without any source to prove himself.
78. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8300; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Fandroid when I own a Mac, promote the iPhone to people, and love using iOS. Yep, fandroid indeed.
When I claim something, it's based on user experience. When you claim something, you just copy and paste things from the internet. What statement is more valid, user experience or 'review' from the internet?
That's what I thought.
66. protozeloz (Posts: 5378; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Let's be honest even ios6 was struggling on the iPhone 4