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Samsung growing to top smartphone brand in Europe, iPhone slowing down in Europe in Q2 2012

0. phoneArena 06 Aug 2012, 09:18 posted on

We’ve already seen the quarterly sales data of Android and iOS - major researchers like Strategy Analytics, IDC and Canalys all agreed that Google’s platform…

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posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:40 3

10. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Answer is in comment #9. :)

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 10:59 4

41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Lots of people PREFER iOS. iPhone performs like a top of the line phone. You android fans think that specs tell the whole story, but they don't. Android needs 2 gigs of ram just to control the lag and force closes. iPhone doesn't.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:17 7

42. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


The iPhone can perform like a top of the line phone all it wants, i'll take my mini-computer Android phone instead.

Enjoy your top of the line phone, taco, I'll take a smart phone.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:32 3

49. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Nice troll attempt but no cigar. It's very telling that the iPhone is THE handest in business. About 70% market share.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:40 3

57. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Where does it say iphone got 70% market share..from recent world wide market share the figures put android ahead of ios
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Analytics-firm-says-that-Android-had-a-68-share-of-the-global-market-during-Q2_id32955

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:42 1

60. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


In business not overall.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:51 3

75. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Oh OK got it..I'll take your for it don't really look much into the enterprise section and would guess iOS would seem more secure to that section

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:43 1

141. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


I wouldn't doubt it. Business generally wants a locked down device. They don't want employees playing with it, or customizing it.

My company just got my boss an iPhone. He's a great guy, but he can barely turn a computer on. I can't begin to count the Times I've been called back to his office to fix his pc, or to make up an excel sheet. Once, he got a picture from the internet (not a bad one...) on his desktop and couldn't figure out how to remove it. (Somehow, he put it on his active desktop, not as a wallpaper. I don't know how he managed that.)

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:14 1

94. TortillaSlap (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)


in "business"?? lol. that is a market they are falling out of as fast as they got into. Android is more secure, has been proven to be more secure, is easier to write custom business apps for, and doesnt have the "one size fits all" approach so people can get what they need.

Like always, your facts are skewed, wrong, or out dated.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:51 1

121. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


No my facts are correct. Android is usually for the young budget crowd. Business people use iPhones and that's backed up by facts.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:36 4

139. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


Young budget crowd? Thats why the three most popular androids (s3 one x and razr maxx) are all 300$ on contract right? Also you claim that all
Thos preorders go to retailer? What do you think those retailers do with the s3? They probably sell it to the consumer. So the fact that 9 million consumers wanted the s3 over the iphone does not change wheter they buy it from a retailer or from samsung directly. Can you supply these facts that backup your statements perhaps? Last time I checked android has more advantages for buisness, as you can use google docs, download apps to increase the phones security. While a buisness that uses apple will probably put information in iCloud, which then gives all your info to apple.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 16:01 3

169. TortillaSlap (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)


9 million presales, 10 million actual sales within the month. thats all the presales + an extra million.

dont tell taco that though, he wont believe you.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:20 3

43. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


How many people prefer iOS, but haven't had any experience with the other operating systems? I believe you for one, when was the last time you worked extensively with Android 4.1 or WP?

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:31 1

47. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I have a galaxy tab 7.7 currently running ICS. How many people use android 4.1 when it's on .08% of devices? Pretty much none. We can't even talk about ICS yet as its only on 15% of devices. I've also tried out windows phone.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:39 1

54. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Taco so iCS is better than honey-comb?

So how you finding iCS to iOS 5?

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:42 1

59. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Honestly I don't see anything innovative in ICS and it hasn't fixed the lag and force closes. My galaxy tab doesn't get much play due to me not liking android.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:47 2

71. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I'm not talking about owning a device that's updated, I mean like going to a Radioshack or Best Buy or something to get some hands-on time with a Nexus 7. And the Galaxy Tab isn't exactly the most credible source to see if Android is good or not, especially considering their Touchwiz skin masks ICS almost completely, except with the Nature UX on the GS3. Go and actually use a Nexus 7, or a GS3, or a One X (S), Galaxy Nexus, etc. So many good devices that you probably haven't given the time of day to see if they're any good. Sure, every device has its own cons, but I bet you would find a device you would like if you actually used one.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:54 3

77. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So I have to use specific devices? I always hear that. First we're told how much better the device is and then months later you will admit its not a good device but this newer one is amazing. My galaxy tab is only about 5 months old so it shouldn't be an outdated piece of junk.

I shouldn't have to go on a treasure hunt to find a decent android device.

I can just use iOS that I know will give me a good experience.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:12 4

93. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Not specific devices, recent devices. I only named a few. The Galaxy Tab 7.7 is almost a year old, I believe it was announced in early September of 2011. And I never said the Galaxy Tab was a piece of junk, I said it wasn't the best example for Android because of Samsung's Touchwiz. Really, the only Touchwiz I found bearable is the one found in the GS3. If the Galaxy Tab was stock, it would be very good, but; Samsung.

I know iOS brings a good experience. I've worked with iPhones, iPads, and I own an iPod Touch 4. There is hardly any lag (I would call it a stutter, not lag), and it gives a very simple way to do everyday tasks. But compared with Android, it's lacking. The only thing Android has lacked for the first 3 years of it's existence, is the right hardware. But around mid-2011, hardware wasn't the problem anymore, it was manufacturer's UIs, and that's why stock Android became more popular.

With iOS, the first 3 years were great. But Apple peaked with the iPhone 4. Now, all Apple is riding on for sales is their reputation. No regular consumer actually compares Android to iOS anymore, they just assume iOS is better because of the reputation. But in reality, Android has surpassed iOS in being user-friendly and overall functionality. Sure iOS has a simple, and smooth UI. But it's getting old.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:23 4

107. matrix_neo (Posts: 321; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Very well said especially in the last paragraph, I hope itaco50 1/3 of his mind wakes up what is the truth about his beloved iphone.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:53 3

122. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I don't think android has surpassed Apple at all. They appeal to different crowds. I like iOS because I don't want to tinker with my phone and prefer trade offs like no widgets for better battery life.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:25 1

134. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I hear people having problems with trying to ration their usage because their iPhone (4 and 4S) was running low all the time. And many people at my school bring their chargers with them. Plus, if you want battery life you could just get a Razr Maxx. Android has options to suit everyones needs.

For battery hogs, Razr Maxx.

Spec hungry, GS3
.
Design conscious, many HTC devices.

Those who want to stay up to date, the Nexus line, etc etc. And some Android phones combine and balance all of those characteristics. All while keeping the user-friendly and functional experience of Android.

Everything that you could think of that iOS has over Android, Android has a solution for it. And if you really want to keep some iOS traits in Android, instead of putting widgets in the homescreen, just put all of your apps in there instead. Or, I'm sure they have an iOS custom ROM somewhere.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:50 3

144. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Lithium chemistry batteries lose life over time. It's just a fact of the product. My buddies iPhone 4 needs charging a couple of times a day now.

My Cowon Q5w, within one year, went from being able to watch movies for over 9 hours straight, to lasting less than 2 hours.

Battery tech is one area that really needs some innovation. Badly.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:35 1

154. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Battery tech is one area that really needs some innovation. Badly."

Agree!
But people are talking that battery tech innovations already is, but they are patented and lies in oil companies drawers.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:47

157. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I've had my iPod since last Christmas, it went from having about 16 hours of battery life to 4 hours, if I don't use it that much. All I do is maybe watch 5-10 youtube videos a day on it, and listen to music for a couple hours. For something advertised to have 40 hours of audio playback when fully charged, I only get about 6 hours.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:47 1

156. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


and everything you rant and rave about android I can do with a jailbreak.

I don't want android and lots of other people don't want android. There's lots of people who make educated decisions and choose Apple. Just like there's lots of consumers who know nothing about tech and pick android because it's cheaper.

See the problem is that in your mind iOS is never the right choice. That makes you

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 15:14 4

160. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


No, there are lots of people who know tech who choose Android. For instance, pretty much every Android user you butt heads with regularly on this site has shown themselves to be far more knowledgeable about tech than you. Sniggly, remix, me.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 15:32 2

163. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


You can jailbreak, but that makes iOS very unstable, and it still doesn't have all of the features of Android.

How can you say you don't want Android, when you haven't even had a chance to see what it all has to offer? Or, you do have a chance to see it, you just choose to close your mind and be ignorant. People's decisions to pick Apple aren't educated unless they have actually gone out and tried what others have to offer before choosing, which I doubt even 10% of people that have iDevices have done. The great majority of people who buy iPhones only buy it because "it's an iPhone" and haven't even considered anything else. You just basically said that only smart people choose Apple and only uneducated lower class people choose Android.

I only think iOS is the wrong choice if people don't look to see other offers. If you don't look at the other high-end smartphones that are available, it might be the wrong decision. I looked at the iPhone 4S before buying my GS2, I highly considered it actually, but I chose the GS2 because I liked the big, vibrant display. Even though I hate Touchwiz. And when the next iPhone comes out, I'm going to look at what it has to offer before considering the Razr HD or the next Nexus, or whatever phone is out; because I still think Apple might surprise us this year with something new. I already looked at WP, and I just didn't like the interface.

I look at my options before making a decison. Unlike you, who won't even take a glance at any other options and will just buy the new iPhone without a second thought.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 16:36 2

172. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


He prefers it. There's nothing wrong with that, people should buy what they like and enjoy it. But, they shouldn't kid themselves or anyone else that their product is in some way premier, nor pretend they have any idea why others chose something else.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 16:55 3

175. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I know, I don't mind if he prefers it. It's just kind of stupid that he talks about Apple like they are some magical company that's better than everyone else. I wouldn't mind that he prefers iOS if he would just try what others have to offer, instead of basing his entire perception of Android on 1 device that's bloated with a custom skin that makes it unenjoyable for the user.

He takes his experience with the Galaxy Tab 7.7 on ICS and then thinks, "Well, I guess this is what it's like on every Android device that is and ever will be made." And then closes his mind to any other physical evidence that says otherwise.

If he were to actually go and try out a Nexus 7, and actually see how much better Android has gotten, then I wouldn't argue with him. He doesn't have to like it, he just has to appreciate it for what it is, stop with all of these generalizations of his, and quit fooling himself into thinking that Apple is the same innovative company that it used to be.

I'm usually a pretty level-headed guy, who can deal with the utmost amount of arguing and still be calm and rational, but it's just ignorant people like him that get under my skin.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 18:00 2

180. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Very
Well s
Said Berzerk!

posted on 07 Aug 2012, 02:10

185. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Ive also used the thunderbolt and charge for over a week each as my main device. I'm currently using an android tablet at work.

Should I buy a new android device every month just to give the OS more chances?

No, I've tried it and am not a fan.

posted on 07 Aug 2012, 04:03 1

188. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4108; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Once again, both of those aren't very good representations of Android because of their manufacturers UI. The Thunderbolt especially. They are both over a year old.

You tend to exaggerate a lot. You don't have to get a device every month. Every year or 2 is more likely, which is really what you're supposed to do with Apple as well because they haven't released full updates to their older devices lately.

Both of the Android phones you've used were released when mobile tech wasn't really enough to run Android (single-core, sub-1 GB RAM) and bloated with a manufacturers UI. And yes, I know that Android takes certain specs to run smoothly, however you don't need 2 GB of RAM, quad-core, and stock Android to run smoothly like you would assume. Usually; dual-core, 1 GB RAM, and properly optimized software will run Android effortlessly. Like on the GS2, Droid Razr, Galaxy Nexus, and other high-end handsets that were released among those main 3 examples.

You are making very bad generalizations, Taco. One time, my friend at school said iOS was bad because her iPhone 4 has had lag and force closes since she updated to iOS 5, and that she wasn't going to get the 6th gen iPhone when it came out because it would be bad too. Is she right? Not at all. Because her phone is old, it might not be up to the task for the update, but the next iPhone will have better specs that will be able to run as smooth as ever. That the same as what you're doing. You're basing your opinions on old devices, and that is wrong.

I'm not saying every time a new high-end phone comes out to give it a chance, but maybe once a year when the next iPhone comes out; look around at the other high-end options that are out at the time before making a decision. That's what everyone should do; Android, WP, and iOS fans should all do that. We all don't necessarily have to like it, but just appreciate the other OS for what it is, and stop making so many generalizations. Though most people don't because they are close-minded.

I try to do that, and look at other devices before I make a decision. I'm still holding off on buying another Android handset before the next iPhone comes out. And if someone uses a different OS than me, as long as they looked at what the other OS's had to offer recently, I wouldn't argue with them. But, that's why I'm arguing with you. Your bias for iOS isn't based on recent devices, it's based on ones that are either old, or bloated with a custom UI.

If you want a good representation of Android, go look at reviews of the Razr, Galaxy Nexus, GS2, GS3, One X (S), Nexus 7, Tranformer Infinity, etc. Or just hold off until the next Nexus releases, or the Razr HD. And it's not just those certain devices, there is a magnitude of great Android phone/tablets out there. You just have to be open-minded enough to actually look at them.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:56 3

79. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Theres 400+ million android devices...so 15% is 60+ million I think thats quite a lot on ICS..also with more devices in the us getting ICS with the s2 rezound RAZR etc I think by the next report it will be a lot higher...what I would like to know is of those 400+ million is high end phones like the s2 s3 one x one s razr etc...surprise no ones yet done are graph on that.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:34 1

50. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Cause it's not a full Linux OS! I personally don't like a half-baked IOS.... Power user's will love Android, basic user's will
go for iPhone. True a thumbs up from me, Android requires 2gb
of ram to run smoothly, due to ICS, or JB eats up 700mb to run Android, where's iOS need 200mb of ram.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:45 1

64. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple OS isn't based on Linux

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:59 2

81. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


iOS is based on Unix and Linux is Unix-like system.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:36 3

52. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


" Android needs 2 gigs of ram just to control the lag and force closes. iPhone doesn't."

iPhone 3GS was using 256 MB of RAM and now iPhone 4S use 512 MB of RAM. Why Apple increased amount of RAM, because of lag ???

taco50, remember that resources are required not only for OS and you understand that, but just trolling...

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:20 1

149. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


ram does not mean faster speed, of course it improves speed but its storage.... more ram means android has to worry less about killing apps to save space and that means more apps are waiting for your command

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 15:18 1

161. tedkord (Posts: 5246; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Which is not an issue for an OS that didn't have true multitasking like iOS. A four cylinder will get you better mileage and run quieter, but it gets its doors blown off by an eight in power and speed.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 15:30

162. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I know, that was reply for taco50.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 16:21 1

170. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I know, I just wanted to add what ram is for... but replying to him is a waist of time

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 19:29

182. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Agree.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:48 4

72. MeoCao (unregistered)


Android phones can do more than iPhone.
- Can iPhone have clever systems like Google now or flexible widgets?
- Can iPhone translate voice to text as quickly as Andoid?
- Can iPhone have off line dictation?
- Can iPhone have live wall papers?
-...
The list goes on and on with 1 clear answer: NO!

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:00 2

83. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Android and iOS are different os,'s therefore hardware requirement is different...also android is doing alot more in the background ie with widgets background syncing,downloading etc.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 15:33 1

164. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Agree.

For example Windows 7 also eats more resources than Windows XP, but that doesn't mean that Windows XP is better than Windows 7.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:15 2

96. matrix_neo (Posts: 321; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Lots of people prefer ios.. really?! Have you read the article or just directly writing nonsense comments. If lots(not some) of people prefer ios, so those market shares of android is not true?! Android phones is true smartphone, unlike iphone its just an app launcher. With android, technology advances, now we have quad core phones and tabs, before we can find it only in computers.

Im sure your iphone will use 2 gigs ram in 2015?! LOL!!!

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:38 4

8. PhoneCritic (Posts: 375; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Not a shock. This is not a knock on Apple but most of my counterparts in our European offices all carry Android phones in tablets because of being able to customize the device to suit the business requirements and a big part of that is cost. Here in the state the company decided to go with Android for the same reasons( engineers ) but employees are allowed to use their personal devices for business calls and presentations( sales force).
Again before anyone jumps all over this post I do not hate Apple I was an avid user of the iPhone 4 But because of my profession and employer (a Cisco Network professional services provider ) Android devices allowed us to easily customize { Cisco develop apps for ICS } the Os and facilitated working with routers switches and network devices.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:41 3

11. matrix_neo (Posts: 321; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


That's good news for android and samsung, especially for samsung although they are in court war with apple, they still dominate the smartphone market.

Samsung is dominating coz they offer almost all kinds of smartphones, from low end like galaxy y to high end smartphone, the galaxy s 3. It will be hard for apple to catch up even they will release their next iphone. Consumers now I think are smart buyers, they will spend a little to own a smartphone and at the same time the features are about just the same with iphone.

Other phone companies should follow samsung if they want to stay in the race.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:41 3

12. SGSatlantis (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


@Berzerk000
Totally agree! Sony Xperia Sola sells for less than half the price of the iPhone 4S with comparable design and specs only the OS being a major difference.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:54 4

21. matrix_neo (Posts: 321; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


With the latest iteration of android, the jelly bean, it makes android is very much better than iOS. Its features are more advanced than iOS, while iOS newest features is only offered in Android 2.1 some people chose iOS because its from apple and its simplicity but features wise android can be compared now to windows OS.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:49 4

17. The_Innovation (Posts: 567; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


Just hope that Samsung doesn't become the next Apple with all this money.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:51 5

20. TortillaSlap (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)


They would have to do a complete policy shift to become like apple. They became #1 by having the best hardware, beautiful screens, and being extremely friendly to the hardcore/mod crowd. If they were to change that, they would lose a lot of support.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:44

62. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Right.....!

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:22 1

151. The_Innovation (Posts: 567; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


I agree completely. I'm just worried a little because greed causes many companies to do that, even if they didn't stand for that.

But yea like the person below us stated, since Google is the driving force behind all this, that is pretty much impossible.

Thank God for Google, or else the entire industry would have been stuck in one place with Apple.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 10:26 3

29. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Agree.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:51 1

76. MeoCao (unregistered)


SS can never become another Apple b-c Google is the driving force behind Android, not SS.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:19

147. The_Innovation (Posts: 567; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


It would only make me happier if they never do, believe me.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 18:31

181. MeoCao (unregistered)


SS really tried to control the OS, they did not mention Android or Google at SS Unpacked, and TouchWiz is really a forked Android with many new features like S-Voice.

But JB has eclipsed everything that SS did. SS had a good try but the innovation of Google is simply unmatched.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 19:56

183. The_Innovation (Posts: 567; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


I meant to say it would only make me happier if SS never becomes another Apple. And yes I agree. Google is the true innovator in this industry.

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