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Samsung denies cheating on benchmark tests

0. phoneArena 03 Oct 2013, 13:06 posted on

The evidence seems pretty hard to argue, but Samsung wants to try anyway. Multiple sources have found that Samsung (as well as most other Android manufacturers) artificially boost CPU frequencies when the system detects a benchmarking test running. Samsung is denying that its devices are trying to cheat the tests, and is actually putting the blame on the tests themselves...

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posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:13 41

1. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


Just like former world class atheletes., I didn't dope!
Right.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:43 11

15. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


cheaters never die

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 16:03 1

49. Commentator (Posts: 3709; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


Ryan Braun would fit in just fine as their spokesman.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 17:07 1

55. LG_is_the_best (unregistered)


Cheaters never lose, and losers never cheat

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 17:37 3

62. Kan_wha (Posts: 88; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)


Liar liar pants on fire! lol

posted on 04 Oct 2013, 03:32 3

95. chocolaking (Posts: 494; Member since: 22 May 2012)


samsung = more lies

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 18:12 2

71. JC557 (Posts: 1570; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


Take a look at the Anandtech article on this. It's pretty evident that all OEMs have some cheats up their sleeves so Samsung shouldn't be so quick to deny it.

http://anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 19:10 2

74. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


At the Anandtech article “ONLY” Samsung, Asus, LG, and HTC is proven of cheating in android benchmarks.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 19:12

76. joey_sfb (Posts: 5987; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


WELCOME! to the Samdung Hate Group Gathering.

Have a Samdung today!! Everyday!

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 21:55

83. JC557 (Posts: 1570; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


That leaves only Motorola and Nexus branded phones... though one could argue that it's just Google that's not cheating as Moto belonogs to them now.

No Sonys on the chart so it remains to be seen, but pretty much all major OEMs "optimize" a bit while some go too far.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 22:03

86. JC557 (Posts: 1570; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


About the Note 3, I'm curious if the increase in thermal headroom has anything to do with better benchmark scores. The CPU and GPU might be able to run a bit less restricted.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 23:32

90. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


*Motorola, Nexus, and NVIDIA.
*“ALMOST” all Android OEMs.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 19:51 2

80. blazee (Posts: 412; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


This just further solidifies my choice in only getting nexus devices. Google seems to be trying to create a great user experience rather than try to deceive and cheat to sell their devices. Sad that there might be time wasted before rolling out a system update because of optimization and tweaking solely to achieve higher benchmark scores by some manufacturers.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 22:00 2

85. JC557 (Posts: 1570; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


There's an alarming amount of Samsung apologists... seems like they're on their way to becoming what they accuse Apple users of.

Every OEM needs to be scrutinized since consumers and not bah bahs should control the market trends.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:13 24

2. Ninetysix (Posts: 2460; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


BS again. If that was the case, the gpu/cpu speeds should be the same EVEN if you rename the application.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:13 17

3. datsyuk (Posts: 179; Member since: 11 Jan 2012)


In other words they only "maximize" the CPU/GPU on benchmark tests.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:59 4

41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Agree, Samsung didn't fake benchmark results, only "boosts" the CPU/GPU on benchmark tests. So on the one hand it is not cheating because results are real. But on the other hand it still tricks user to think that CPU/GPU always runs with high performance but it is not true, CPU/GPU runs full power only with benchmark apps.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 16:09 1

50. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)


This is like Intels turbo boost. It is not cheating it just boost performance when needed if the chip is at good temperatures. Samsung could shut everyone up if they added to the specs sheet with "SBoost" up to 2.5ghz in applications that need it or whatever.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 17:32

60. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"Samsung could shut everyone up if they added to the specs sheet with "SBoost" up to 2.5ghz in applications that need it or whatever."

Actually Samsung already made such list, but the problem is that on this list is only benchmark applications and that's why now we see such scandal about cheating.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 19:08 3

73. tedkord (Posts: 12207; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


That's not what happens. They don't overclock, they just ramp the CPU/GPU to max for the test, rather than letting the app load determine the speed. It's not technically a cheat, a cheat would be giving a false number that it didn't achieve. It's more of a best case scenario.

But it's misleading, so I have no problem with the word cheat.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 16:32 2

52. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)


But you said yourself that Samsung tricks his customers by creating the illusion that they could get the same performance when not running benchmarks. The word "trick" is a synonym for the word "cheat". In other words: Samsung cheats on his customers by purposely creating wrong impressions of its products.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 17:32

61. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)


They trick their customers with ads and everybody fakes benchmarks because idiots believe phones are only as good as their benchmarks show. The only benchmarks should be real world performance ones like how much FPS a game gets or how fast a zip files compresses or how quick it can encode a video. Artificial benchmarks like antutu give you a false idea of how powerful a device is. Some roms have the Samsung cpu auto overclock crap deleted and it makes benchmark scores drop but the device will be much more smooth/efficient with all the optimization and such. There are also roms that target benchmarks to give you higher scores so you can feel better about yourself if your one of those people.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 17:46

66. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Samsung didn't fake benchmark results, CPU/GPU really achieves such results. The problem is that user by default can't achieve such CPU/GPU power while using other games and applications. CPU/GPU runs full powe only with benchmark applications which are specified on the list.

It is like a cars engine with limiter which restrict engine's maximum rotational speed. Car really can go faster just need to remove limiter.

Anyway, I agree that such things sucks! :(

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 19:11

75. tedkord (Posts: 12207; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


They don't only run full tilt then. Any good benchmark should taboo them to full anyway. If an app or game doesn't, it's because it doesn't need it.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:14

4. LordDavon (Posts: 135; Member since: 19 Sep 2011)


Well then. That's that!

/s

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:15 3

5. LAKAME_MAN (Posts: 46; Member since: 31 Jan 2013)


And we sooo believe them :|

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:16 9

7. Ninetysix (Posts: 2460; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


Yes. Just wait a little longer for the Samsung herd to post. It'll come....trust me :)

edit: Post #6 is one

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:16 6

6. grahaman27 (Posts: 361; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


I agree with Samsung. Its not cheating.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:46 9

19. androiphone20 (Posts: 1654; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


oh please

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 14:14 10

27. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


fan boy alert !

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