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Samsung could be fined billions for trying to ban Apple products in Europe

0. phoneArena 26 Dec 2012, 15:27 posted on

Korean manufacturer Samsung is staring at fines potentially in the billions of dollars after trying to get Apple devices banned in Europe using its FRAND patents as leverage; additionally, Google wholly owned Google subsidiary Motorola faces similar charges trying to get a ban placed on the Microsoft Xbox 360 while holding patents on Wi-Fi and the H.264 video standard...

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posted on 26 Dec 2012, 15:29 10

1. AnTuTu (Posts: 1580; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)

a big 'LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL' to that...!!!

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 19:42 4

36. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

You can't put a price on something that's a standard in many devices.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 17:00 8

18. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

That's what happens when you try to put a price on fair and reasonable.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 18:48 8

28. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

You have been waiting to say that line for months... Whats a fair price to you?

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 19:49

38. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

Nor can a price be put on common sense.

Most patents are either on something natural (pieces of DNA), standards essential, or obvious these days. The IP landscape as a whole is pretty awful.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 19:52 4

40. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

What part of ..."the F in FRAND doesnt mean FREE" dont you understand...

No matter how much you want it to be...it .....does...not....mean....FREE. Apple will have to pay something for it, how much is the question.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 21:56 2

54. MeoCao (unregistered)

The problem for SS is they obviously did not ask for such a fee from Apple before, and they possibly do not demand such a fee from many companies right now.

Therefore EU can charge SS for anti competitive practices.

but I guess the fine will be a few millions dollars at most as SS have withdrawn their claims w/o any harm to Apple business.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 15:32 18

2. StringCheese01 (Posts: 64; Member since: 27 Jan 2012)

They both need to cut the sh*t.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 15:41 6

5. nwright94 (unregistered)

Exactly. It's ridiculous and it makes these comment threads a breeding ground for trolls, both on apple and samsungs side.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 18:09 7

24. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

I'm honestly tired of the lawsuits because it makes it devastatingly difficult for anyone to produce a smartphone without getting sued. There was a story about how Volvo invented and patented the 3-point seat belt. Then, in the interest of public safety, allowed anyone to use it. Sure, smartphone parts/features aren't life or death, but technology as a whole is being held back because no one can move forward without a lawsuit. I get protecting your stuff...but if you're suing over a gesture, I'm not sure what to say. Some features are better for the industry. Innovate on things that actually matter and be happy you were the first to do it.

I love Apple and Samsung, but this s**t needs to stop.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 19:50 5

39. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Someone on the Internet speaking reason, instead of fanboy nonsense? Insanity!

They're all getting ridiculous. Call off the lawsuits. Get out of the courtroom and back to the lab, all of them.

posted on 27 Dec 2012, 06:49

68. MeoCao (unregistered)

This not a matter of life and death for us, but for the executives involved it's a matter of success or failure, victory or defeat with huge bonuses attached.

Sadly it will go on.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 15:33 7

3. smallworld (Posts: 494; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

Europe FTW.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 15:35 11

4. Ninetysix (Posts: 2569; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)

Does not matter. The fandroids will find a way to defend SamSUEng.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 15:51 11

6. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)

I guess Sam's Sung quite enough. Now it's time for karma to sing.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 15:52 15

7. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3115; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)

and you Apple fanboys don't?

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 18:08 3

23. joey_sfb (Posts: 6453; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

We don't support any form of lawsuits. Lawsuits does nothing to advance our technology and interests.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 21:20 1

49. corporateJP (Posts: 2453; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)

Apple hasn't done anything in five years to advance technology or interest, lawsuits or not.

Quit fooling yourself.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 21:39

51. joey_sfb (Posts: 6453; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

I quit being a Apple fanboy because of its anti consumer lawsuits. What make you think i will support Samsung lawsuit. I have a Samsung galaxy tab and note 2.

posted on 28 Dec 2012, 06:16

86. mrochester (unregistered)

The iPad begs to differ (announced January 2012)!

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 16:02 15

8. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

And most funny part is Apple didn't want to agree to Court decided fees as Apple thinks they are above law. Not surprising PA misses to quote such things also in same breath :)

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 21:47 2

52. stealthd (unregistered)

Apple hasn't refused to pay any fees decided by the court, just ones decided by Samsung which they feel aren't fair. How silly of PA to "miss" your fiction.

posted on 27 Dec 2012, 06:12 3

64. tedkord (Posts: 13235; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

Apple offered Samsung $0.005 per device for all of Samsung's patents, which were on actual tech. At the same time Apple demanded over $20 per device from Samsung for shapes, colors, stolen ideas like swipe to unlock, and at least to patents which have since been invalidated by the USPTO for being copied.

In the case against Motorola, Apple told the judge that they would not follow her ruling if Motorola were awarded more than $1 per device for all the patents Apple are infringing and have used since the first iPhone without paying a single penny.

Now who is being unreasonable?

posted on 27 Dec 2012, 15:17 1

81. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Read this and you would know that PA didn't miss the fiction as it wasn;t fiction. Apple warned that they would not pay if it is more than $1 what Apple thought is right price to pay. While M$ has in principle agreed to pay what court decides. I am not a fanboy :)

posted on 27 Dec 2012, 17:18

82. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

See...I forgot ALL about this.....hmmm.

Apple, shame on you...thats less than 2% which IIRC is about standard.

posted on 27 Dec 2012, 17:19

83. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Thanks for posting this, fills in the blanks on the back story. Apple, oh Apple...the more things change....the more they stay the same.

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 16:11 10

9. MartyK (Posts: 919; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

Let me get this straight..

Apple refuse to pay a company to use it products ( FRAND or Non FRAND), Because Apple THINKS the price it too high ( but they keep on using the company product for free).

EU is suing the holder of the Patent ( FRAND or Non FRAND) because the Holder of the patent want Apple to pay them or stop using their stuff.

Now, tell me, instead of EU suing the Patent holder, why didn't they look at the asking price and be the mediator in this case?.

Where are all the wonderful EU lovers?, you guys say USA is terrible when it comes to this, what do you think about your precious EU?...lol

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 16:18 3

11. Cynipap999 (banned) (Posts: 138; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)

That's why Her Majesty, The Queen, refused to join that dreaded union; HRH knew they would go 'belly-up'. Now, they want to use Samsung as a revenue stream; iSay, 'off with their Euro' heads'!!

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 16:26

12. MartyK (Posts: 919; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

" Samsung as a revenue stream". hahahah!!..right!!

posted on 26 Dec 2012, 16:32

14. diggie (Posts: 4; Member since: 29 Nov 2012)

I might be misreading this but I think what the EU argument is is that Samsung is trying to enforce a sales ban and that what should happen is that Samsung should (and I believe they are) take them to court if they can't agree on fees but that no sales ban should be in effect before a court rules on the case. I don't think the issue is them trying to get money.

Now of course Apple has the money to fight a court battle but the procedures here set precedent. If company A has FRAND patents and company B wants to enter the market and use those but company A won't license on what they believe is a fair or reasonable price then the recourse is court. If company A is able to get a sales ban on company B's products before a court hears the case then it allows company A to abuse its power with regards to FRAND patents.

Should Samsung be fined 10% for this? Heck no, but they should get a slap on the wrist just show that this is not how this should be done and there is consequences.

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