Samsung copied Apple says Apple expert witness
0. phoneArena 06 Aug 2012, 18:37 posted on
University of Pennsylvania associate professor Peter Bressler told the jury at the Apple-Samsung patent trial that Samsung copied Apple with the trade dress for its line of phones; the expert witness testfed that the Samsung Galaxy S infringes on a pair of Apple patents...
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107. jroc74 (Posts: 5646; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Every smartphone a few years ago was thought to be an iPhone....lol.
Close the app drawer look at the home screens and tell me you cant spot the difference.
24. jazzman666 (Posts: 10; Member since: 10 Jul 2012)
Steve f@&cking Jobs was adopted from a syrian family .. He got dictatorship and greed genes in his blood hense what's going in Syria also he wasn't that smart in collage but he was a good salesperson he did not have a freakin clue about electronics .. Some the early designs of the stupid apple junk was designed by foreign engineers and stolen or copied from other people and technologies ... Steve Jobs discovered the patent game and the rest is history ! You guys can research this stuff too ! This is solely my opinion of that dumb son of gun !
26. Angkor (Posts: 108; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Apple Inc. was copied from a fruit. Apple farmers must file lawsuits against Apple Inc. for copied their fruit name and logo without licensing.
28. jaoowolabi (Posts: 201; Member since: 07 Jun 2012)
u cant sue nature.... ive tried, freaking grass......
32. lyndon420 (Posts: 3149; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Pretty sure apple is paying for / asked for the right to use the apple name. Didn't they get permission from Apple Records?
37. hawke9150 (Posts: 31; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
Probably not, they most likely sued them for the name
73. willard12 (Posts: 1299; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
They settled and Apple agreed never to confuse things by getting into the music business.......then as only Apple would do, violated the settlement and started itunes
31. marchels14 (unregistered)
wtf that man needs to go to the mental hospital and needs to take apple withe him,biggest bull*hit ever made up by apple.now everyone can see how desperate is apple.
34. Aeires (unregistered)
He actually said the color black?! The good news is the jury can't be that stupid to think only Apple can use black. A lot of their 'patents' are going to get tossed, but things like the scrolling overbounce will probably stick. The small amount of actual, legit patents that Apple brought will probably balance out the legitimate hardware patents that Samsung is countering with.
This is starting to look more like a draw the more I see.
36. hawke9150 (Posts: 31; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
So this expert claims that Apple designed shapes and colors that have been around for centuries..... WOW!! What's next?
86. tedkord (Posts: 7958; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
iFans always claim that it's not about black rectangles, yet here Apple is in court arguing that they own black rectangles.
111. jroc74 (Posts: 5646; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
The real Apple is showing its true colors in this case.
The color black, icons (that after the phone, all the rest dont even begin to look similar) Apple fanboys......congrats on being fans of a petty company.
Please stay in the mobile and computer business......for my sake and many others. Dont venture into any other markets.
Yours truly, a consumer that likes choice.
38. structureman116 (Posts: 139; Member since: 14 Sep 2010)
I'm an expert also, Apple....and I know the rectangle and color black have been around a hell of a lot longer than a damn iPhone....my god Apple...give this s**t up and be innovative!!!
41. structureman116 (Posts: 139; Member since: 14 Sep 2010)
And I'm thinking this expert witness won't have to pay for another Apple gadget for the rest of his life after his BS testimony!
44. lyndon420 (Posts: 3149; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Wow. I wonder where the automotive sector would be today if one OEM makes a black car with 4 wheels and a seat, only to be sued by another OEM who also makes a black car with 4 wheels and a seat. How about the wheels and seats on their own - for every wheel or seat made in the world is someone somewhere getting rich because they have some vague patent saying they own the rights to every wheel or seat ever made? I prefer Dodge trucks, but do I think Dodge should be the only truck maker? No of course not....where would the fun be in that?
Is there one toilet paper manufacturer claiming 'Royale'ties from all the other a**wipe makers?
The majority of consumers want a phone with a touch screen preferably in the middle of their devices rather than jutting out the side some where. Majority of users want their phones to be sensible in form which puts the rectangle at the top of available shapes to choose from (apple needs to follow their own advice to Samsung and make a triangle shaped iPad covered in godly stickers and see how well it sells for them).
The majority of users also want choices...something that apple is desperately trying to keep from existing and future customers. Not everyone wants to run ios on their devices, and its selfish of apple to expect this.
61. -box- (Posts: 3982; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I love that you used almost the exact examples I used yesterday. Kudos
47. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Oh man this trial is awesome. Samsung is going to be embarrassed world wife for their copying ways. They should have taken a deal. This is making them look horrible.
For all the android fans this guy has forgotten more about design then you'll ever learn. He's an expert witness for a reason. It's comical watching you guys bash every article that's positive for Apple.
55. frydaexiii (Posts: 1419; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Oh you, for a second there I though you were actually starting to be smart, with everyone backing you in the last thread. Now you're back to normal, and in normal, i mean just as retarded as before.
62. TortillaSlap (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)
really... name 5 reasons this man is an expert witness.. backed up with facts and links, troll.
69. TortillaSlap (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)
oh, i did your homework for you. Reading the actual live feed of the trial, I found what he is an expert at..
and its not smart phones.. he's never designed a single smartphone in his life..
"Under Samsung questioning, Bressler says Apple paying him $400 an hour as an expert, and he's made $75,000 so far for his work on the case. Not a bad day at the office...."
Also, after saying that "every design element counts", he completely back tracks after Sammy lawyers ask him about the differences in the phones and the fact that US galaxy models have 4 buttons on the bottom, differences in speaker, bezel, screen size,UI look.... basically he says everything counts.. but whatever sammy brings up as as a difference
the guy is a fool.
74. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
This guy is basically saying anything that is rectangular with a screen and is black is copying apple... Well got to say that ain't going to stick..This guy suppose to be a designer in that case every single detail counts to a designer... How can you say things like the size and bezel size and Button placements and speakers placements don't count when it's all part of the design... As usual some people read one article and see one point of view and they know what is going on... To the trolls please actually read multiple views... Anyone can make anything look positive when the whole story isn't being told... It's like me reading the synopsis of a book and thinking I've read the book when it's only the bare minimum.
81. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Read the article and it explains. How can you ask me for proof when it's in the article you supposedly read.
94. TortillaSlap (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)
the PA article doesnt show proof of anything. Click the link to read what ACTUALLY happened in the court. Of course I dont think you have the capacity to absorb truth.
112. jroc74 (Posts: 5646; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
The only thing this trial is showing is how petty and childish Apple really is.
Seems like Apple and their fanboys are a match made in heaven.
51. mikkiwildcat (Posts: 2; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Well samsug copied apple they say
1st version they might be a little right.
But to say that apple hold onto a rectangular shape and has a centre screen is patented by apple.
Are you truly mad.
I guess tvs are gonna get banned then.
And yes i own an ipad and galaxy note, they dont look anything alike.
this expert witness is an idiot for saying that, laugh him out of the design community please.
56. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
I can't believe that this is a a battle of who owns a rounded rectangle shape.
63. MartyK (Posts: 732; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
@ Alan F.
Sorry Alan, I would like to know your take on this:
Bressler concedes he has no direct knowledge of consumer confusion. Samsung atty hammering the point.
Bressler denies that his analysis of Samsung designs examined whether they were trying to be deceptive to consumers. Samsung stressing simple point: consumers spend a great deal of time evaluating which smartphone to buy and aren't confused, particularly when they enter into 2-year contracts with carriers.
Samsung atty walking Bressler through diagrams of so-called "prior art" that existed prior to iPhone design patents. Seems to be angling for chance to suggest to Bressler that the prior art and patents were virtually indistinguishable..Bressler quibbling already.
64. ftyler223 (Posts: 140; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Well look at the s3 it has 1 button at the bottom of the screen and a voice recognition called s voice that sounds just like siri. And the interface.....Samsung mimicks apple by adding the docked applications on the main screen, they copied pinch to zoom. Everything! They basically mixed android and ios and just called it galaxy. Now let's look at the galaxy tab 10.1 they're charger looks just like the vintage apple charger we all know. Not to mention the galaxy tab resembles the iPad completely. This war is more on how the interface has certain iPhone features not so much the cosmetic shape you retarda! Get it together. When droid first came out it was so different compared to ios now android has developed the same things. Which therefore means Samsung copied them. Simple and plain. I know all u droid nerds hate apple cuz they're greed but except the facts they are the best. They're product are built with quality materials. Not plastic and cheap feeling like all the galaxy phones. IPhone screen is still untouched. No pixels! Samsung Amoled screen is b.s. bright colors with pixels for days. Just a test for u. Download temple run on the iPhone then down load it on your galaxy or any other phone for that matter and compare it to the iPhone. Then u will. See y the iPhone is the best. It's not about all the specs u idiots. What good is a 1.5 dual core processor if your apps still force close? R u kidding me? How can you honestly say android is better people? IPhones gets all the apps first too. Step it up actually play with both devices with the same apps and you will realize the iPhone is smoother. They do it best. They're the originators. And Sammy is f**ked now. Good I'm sick of they're s**tty products anyways.
78. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1705; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Lol there is so much wrong with that post I don't even know where to begin. Just another scared iTard realizing Apple is grasping at straws. QQ more dude
87. tedkord (Posts: 7958; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Palm had docked icons at the bottom. Apple copied that.
You mention the central button, but of course fail to mention the extra, capacitive buttons that all Android phones have.
My Apps do not force close. None of them. Zero lag. My Galaxy S3 is a more powerful, more functional device than any Apple phone.
98. jp26sx (Posts: 14; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
I think that this comment is a little biased on it's own. When was the last time that you used an android product. They are not perfect but i'm pretty sure analysts ( you know the same kind of analysts that always praise apple ) did a test and determined that ios apps crash just as much if not more than android. The difference is android tells you about it, ios just closes it. Materials vs specs is always a balancing act with when constructing a cell phone because if you want more performance you must take away from something else to keep the price points. Also your quick to forget that Samsung for a long time producers of the processors and several other hardware components inside the iPhone. That streamlined performance that you love is from a Samsung built heart not just a closed ended ecosystem. Pinch to zoom was also not apples creation those patents were out long before when the touch screen evolution was ramping up. Apple was probably one of the first to innovate and use is successfully, but it wasn't their invention to begin with. Sure they have unique aspects that grant them limited patents but that's more on how the screen interfaces with the os. That's why they aren't suing every other manufacturer for having it because they never created the multitouch concept. If you don't like Samsung then don't use them use apple, Please do some homework before coming to the game table because all your comment looks like is an ignorant hate speech. Judging the screens are apples to oranges no pun intended. They are 2 totally different technologies and usually is an opinion of the user which they feel is superior. Please do some homework before coming to the game table because all your comment looks like is an ignorant hate speech. Samsung has it's faults and yes i'm sure they wanted to create a product that had some class in similarity to the iphone, but lets be honest did you think they were gonna use circles... c'mon
101. jp26sx (Posts: 14; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
oops out of my old ignorance when moving a line about the hate speech I forgot to remove the first one...:-(
113. jroc74 (Posts: 5646; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Thinking a 1.5 Ghz dual core processor......means apps will never force close....
Is enough to tell me and probably anyone else reading that garbage....you are not even worth responding to.
If Apple, the iPhone is so great.....whats their excuse for force closes? Oh wait....you dont see it cuz the iPhone doesnt show a message. It just eventually kicks you to the home screen. You dont even know if it was a force close or a mis click...
Good job for sucking me into your diluted Apple world....now go back under your bridge, the sun is coming up soon...
65. ishfaq.mehraj (Posts: 10; Member since: 30 Jul 2012)
Holy sh*t... they paid some stupid professor to identify rectangular designs of samsung galaxy s.....
68. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Lol when I read that the Galaxy note "infringes" the iPad design it just cemented my thoughts on this whole thing... Seriously other than being touch orientated the 2 have nothing in common.. If that's how stupid it is then the iPad infringes on all those flat screen tvs because essentially its the same design.. Even when the bezel size is different it infringes lol gimme a break... Ahh the us has some fu** up system... What's next someone going to sue because a pill is the same shape as another pill or is the same colour... USA good luck with the future.. Cause your officially. Fu** if a rectangle. Or a color can be patented.
75. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
To all the experts out there please tell me how the note copied the iPad...
77. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
After this fandroids gonna hunt down that old dude like US gov did with bin laden
80. yazlikvillam (Posts: 13; Member since: 24 Apr 2012)
why do you all care about samsung its build crap cheap and useless bought s3 wish never have done went repair twice in 3 weeks and you think samsung is premium
88. tedkord (Posts: 7958; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I don't care about Samsung. I just care about getting the best product for a fair price. That won't happen if Apple manages to ban all competition.
If Apple had won its lawsuits in the early days of the PC, we'd all still be paying $3000 for a 1GHz single core system with no GPU, and 256mb ram. Because that's how Apple rolls.
115. jroc74 (Posts: 5646; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Thank god I can get a PC with good, great specs for 1/2, maybe even less than 1/2 of what some Macs cost.
If Apple has their way in the smartphone world...I would gladly go back to regular cell phones. Then again, they would worm their way into regular cellphone space....and we would be where we are today.
114. jroc74 (Posts: 5646; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I actually dont even like Samsung phones.
Its what Apple is trying to do and what they are trying to say that bothers me.
82. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Thumb this up if you guys think that this geezer is biased and is too old to be an apple fanboy.
90. dragonscourgex (Posts: 307; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
Did I read that right? Did this "expert" just say that Samsung infringe cause "rectangular front with the Apple iPhone along with other design features such as its transparency, black color, a display centered on the face of the phone, and a lozenge-shaped slot for the speaker." Then turn around and said "Bressler said that there were too many differences between the two patents for Samsung to make that claim." Is he not contradicting himself with those two statements?
Can the prior art not also be described in the same way he described the iphone to the samsung phones
93. ftyler223 (Posts: 140; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
@tedkord you're an idiot. Samsung basically tryed to make an android version of ios. Simple and plane. Apple didn't copy palm for they're docked icons u retard. Look at mac computers. They've had the icon in a doc formation for yrs. Apple used they're idea from there laptops and used it on their iPhone. Simple as that. They created this desighn. Y is it that HTC can make great devices without looking iosish? Samsung sucks. Apple and HTC are the best.
102. jp26sx (Posts: 14; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
it's plain... not plane. you are again wrong... windows 98 had a quick launch dock. Microsoft probably holds those patents as well for launching from a secure object while in the GUI. Apple didn't introduce a launcher dock until OSx sometime in 1999 ... i could be wrong but i believe mac os docks before that time only really related to settings. Y is really why ... but I think you knew that already.
116. jroc74 (Posts: 5646; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Maybe Samsung is the only one who has the balls to call out Apple on their crying and pettiness.
95. blade19 (Posts: 60; Member since: 29 Apr 2011)
Of course... A professor that knows it all! What better expert to bring in then some old fart professor who is well educated and understands the business... ya right!!!
96. AppleWho (banned) (Posts: 57; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Wow, so APPLE is suing now because Samsung phone are better than APPLE....maybe if APPLE started to innovate again - maybe their marketshare would improve.....
97. AppleWho (banned) (Posts: 57; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Huh, a paid APPLE witness testifying in favor of APPLE - what is this world coming to...
99. ftyler223 (Posts: 140; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Jp26 u say some true thing but not all is right the screen res is untouched on the iPhone. Fact. Look at a Sammy screen u see pixels. I'm just saying apple makes a better products. Sure u can look good on paper with the specs but if your phone is force close all the time what good is it? U can't just go by the specs. U do you're homework and actually use these products you're self. I've used almost ever smart phone in the game. Apple does it best then goes HTC....Samsung always feels cheap. Compare the one x vs the s3. Quality materials and it runs smoother and the internet is slightly faster. Vs. Sammy who is slowr and cheap. Please do you're homework
109. jp26sx (Posts: 14; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Tell ya what ftyler... for arguments to be put aside, the people will choose what they like best. Each phone has its pros and cons. I myself own a galaxy s3 my other half has the evo 4g lte (( sprints one x )) I love the feel of the HTC vs samsing hands down. The gs3 out performs the evo lte though. In smooth and speed. Its all a trade off... apple did a great job keeoing it smooth. I think both companies need to let it be to an extent and again let the people decide... you as a reasinable person has to at least see apple is really reaching... shapes and colors...I do beleive they have an excellent product but they cant revel in it forever. If they continue create a solid product that entices the people then they will be fine. They have plenty of money. I just think thay they need to raise the bar instead of suing it over the small stuff.
117. jroc74 (Posts: 5646; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
"I just think thay they need to raise the bar instead of suing it over the small stuff."
This needs to be repeated over n over n over n over n..........
108. aikonix (Posts: 59; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)
Anyone else notice how grungy he looks here, then after his $75 grand pay-out, he looks like an Apple Employee and MUCH more brighter/better looking?