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Samsung built A7 processor rocks the new Apple iPhone 5s

0. phoneArena 21 Sep 2013, 04:12 posted on

Samsung has provided many of the parts for the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad over the years; but this year, there were some who believed that Apple had reached an agreement with TSMC to replace Samsung as the provider of the A7 processor that drives the Apple iPhone 5s. But apparently that deal won't take affect until 2014...

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posted on 21 Sep 2013, 06:27 19

27. ghaniosman (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


So '2x better performance than previous generation processor' and the 'world' s 1st 64-bit processor for mobile' credit goes to $AM$UNG!!! WOOHOOO!!

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 08:53 16

58. nctx77 (Posts: 2096; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)


Wrong buddy! Samsung manufactures and assembles the chip, not design them. Apple designs there software and hardware, but are not in the manufacturing business. Saying samsung designed the A7 is like saying Foxconn designed the iphone.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:47 8

71. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


You are wrong. It's Samsung's techology:
"suspect that the processor will utilize Samsung's 28-nanometer Hi K metal Gate. If that prediction proves accurate, it would mean Apple is using the same process as the Galaxy S4's Exynos Application processor."
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:35 2

64. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)


Samsung builds the CPU as Apple designed and engineered it. Do you want to see Apple's creation in action? Here is a very good link to benchmarks. The summary in short: The iPhone 5S clearly beats the competition. Reading the article teaches people how Android manufacturers fool their customers with specs.

http://gizmodo.com/iphone-a7-chip-benchmarks-forget-the-specs-it-blows-e-1350717023

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:17 5

79. LionStone (Posts: 753; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Hey that's great! ... for a tiny 4" screen! lol!

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:41 1

65. rf1975 (Posts: 258; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Lol, So according to your logic, iPhone credit should goes to hon hai Ltd (Foxconn). Be little educated before comment.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:50 2

73. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


It's not the same. Apple here use Samsungs's technology:
"suspect that the processor will utilize Samsung's 28-nanometer Hi K metal Gate. If that prediction proves accurate, it would mean Apple is using the same process as the Galaxy S4's Exynos Application processor."
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:21 7

3. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 660; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


No Samsung hate. iPhone is just designed by Apple but engineered by Samsung. So who is better? the designer or the engineer?

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:56 1

8. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Doesn't Samsung just manufacture the processors? I'm under the impression that Apple is working with Samsung because they can make large quantities fast. So when TSMC takes over, will the processors be exactly the same or will they be different?

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 06:14 1

24. hung2900 (Posts: 956; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


No it doesnt.
Manufacturing a SoC following a design is not the same as making clothing. The designer and the engineer have to coorperate to complete a design that is manufacture-able.

So in most cases the "designer" like Apple cannot bring this design to other manufacturer like TSMC

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 07:27

39. robinlim85 (Posts: 86; Member since: 03 May 2013)


wait...apple not doing anything right..dumdroid fans told me that
yea right,just somehow when apple coorperate samsung in doing a lame outdated dual core design,it outperform samsung own quad core design by a mile,with half the ram btw

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 19:38

120. PostalJim (Posts: 46; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)


Comparing an iPhone to an Android is not fair. iPhones are made to look pretty, be simple to use, and please the masses. Android does soooooo much more than iOS. Any phone could run great if it just texts, posts, calls, and plays Candy Crush Saga.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 07:32 2

42. Finalflash (Posts: 3218; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Therefore there will be massive differences between the two. The other problem being that while Samsung is very reliable for quantities and quality, TSMC is not. So next year is going to be hilarious.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 08:39

53. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Well of course they have to cooperate. To what extent is the question.

Unless Samsung has some special machinery that other companies like TSMC don't have (which is possible), I don't see why TSMC can't make an almost identical processor.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:54 1

74. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


Wrong.
Apple use here Samsung's 28-nanometer Hi K metal Gate. Apple is using the same process as Exynos Application processor.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 15:07 1

108. tedkord (Posts: 12276; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Apple doesn't design their processors from the ground up. They're modified ARM designs. They take a reference design and tweak it, just like Samsung has done with it's Exynos line longer.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 08:31

52. AKumar47 (Posts: 48; Member since: 11 Sep 2013)


OS vs OS... no such individual was born like a jarhead, it is just how they nurture their brains...this two giants had one thing in common controlled by apples patency within their own circumstances... if they will cut their bridge of contracts, well then let the real battle begins...

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:27 1

4. GrapeEyes (Posts: 248; Member since: 01 Sep 2013)


In this situation, Samsung is in the best position. However Samsung should try it's best to keep Apple buying its processors, becuase Apple sells a lot of phones and why would you want to give that money to someone else.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 07:36 5

43. Finalflash (Posts: 3218; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Because Samsung themselves are having to outsource their own chips because Apple keeps taking their capacity. Hence why there are a handful exynos based devices out there. If apple leaves, likely it will have nil affect on Samsung. It'll actually be better since it will be cheaper for Samsung.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:00 1

59. robinlim85 (Posts: 86; Member since: 03 May 2013)


weirdly samsung takes on orders thats disadvantage to them
great logic by you,even samsung insider baffle with what you said

what i heard is that samsung executive crying and begging for apple business,and they send sexy hot korean female exec to bed with tim cook just to get the orders again

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:19 1

62. Spikes9s (Posts: 52; Member since: 09 Aug 2013)


Exactly Samsung really needs to do some sexist aproach to get an order from Apple, then you hit your head while turning in your bed and all of a suden you... WOKE UP... iPeasant

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:25

80. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


You're way off. If Apple leaves...they just go to another chip fab. And Samsung loses a ton of money. Money that they spend on endless adds and R&D which is exactly what's keeping Samsung competitive.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 15:10 3

109. tedkord (Posts: 12276; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Actually, if Apple leaves, Samsung will no longer need to outsource for CPUs for it's own smartphones (which they sell many more of than Apple). Samsung is in a no lose situation, being vertically integrated.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 19:42

121. PostalJim (Posts: 46; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)


Yeah. It's the little bit of change they make off those chips. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with selling a Bajillion devices every month.

posted on 23 Sep 2013, 02:48

134. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Regardless of who loses more money, Samsung needs to find another diamond mine. Apple resources won't last forever, especially when they don't care about the non high end markets and rely on 3 or 4 products only.

In their iphone 5 peak it sold out in minutes and wasn't available for awhile. With the 5s most people in BC can just walk into the store and pick one up until today. With the iphone 6, if this trend continues, the GS5 will be the bigger ticket.

Samsung is more than prepared, it isn't just Apple that buys off them. Everyone does really.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:28

5. aayupanday (Posts: 577; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


And What about the GPU ?
Is it the PowerVR Rogue?

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:26

81. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


It is. Produces equal results to the beefy Adreno 330 in the TRex benchmark (offscreen of course).

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 12:15

91. aayupanday (Posts: 577; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


Figured it out...
It's the PowerVR G6430 Rogue 28nm GPU.... A true BeasT.
AnandTech have done some awesome anaylsis of the CPU/GPU performance of the iPhone 5S.
Can expect the Rogue G6630 to be powering the iPad 5.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:40 27

6. SonyPS4 (Posts: 344; Member since: 21 May 2013)


CMOS sensor - Sony
Display - Sharp or LG
DRAM - Elpida
Nand flash - SK Hynix
Module for wifi - Murata
Audio chip - Cirrus Logic
Touchscreen Controller - Broadcom

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 05:39 15

16. taikucing (unregistered)


And iFans think all iPhone parts are from Apple

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