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Samsung built A7 processor rocks the new Apple iPhone 5s

0. phoneArena 21 Sep 2013, 04:12 posted on

Samsung has provided many of the parts for the Apple iPhone and Apple iPad over the years; but this year, there were some who believed that Apple had reached an agreement with TSMC to replace Samsung as the provider of the A7 processor that drives the Apple iPhone 5s. But apparently that deal won't take affect until 2014...

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posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:15 34

1. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1633; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


A true love hate relationship!!

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 05:08 22

12. AnTuTu (Posts: 937; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


Father would always be father.

Sammy FTW

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 06:36

28. ghaniosman (Posts: 64; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


And the fight begins...

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:12 3

61. Tsoliades (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Dec 2012)


No, it's been here for a while.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:28 1

68. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6684; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


Only Alan F. would call their processors ROCK.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:45

70. LionStone (Posts: 465; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Haha... Yea, it really rocks those new icons! :-)

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:01 1

75. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


Put those icons on a colorful background and they look great. Android has its own icon problem in that there's no uniformity of size or shape making everything look very hodgepodge. And the most popular stock launchers completely waste those big spacious screens by only allowing 12 icons per screen.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:01

76. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


16 icons. Derp.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 12:38 2

93. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)


That's not really a fair assessment, especially when you look at the iPad.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 13:04 3

98. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8840; Member since: 14 May 2012)


He's only going to say the positive of iOS instead of the negative. Everyone knows that.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:53 5

86. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8840; Member since: 14 May 2012)


You can customize the size of any home screen on a launcher, especially with Nova Launcher... You don't know what you're talking about and your comment is now invalid. :)

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 17:16 2

115. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


He's an apple fanboy that keeps comparing benchmarks of his iphone 5 to android phones. He has nothing to talk about but irrelevant bs. The fact that his comments get likes is beyond me.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 19:25

119. PostalJim (Posts: 46; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)


Who cares about stock? It's there for Apple defectors. Like training wheels. The rest of us know where to go to make our phones rock! Most launchers I use have configurable rows and columns. My favorite is NovaLauncher. 6x5 + a hideable, scrollable dock giving me 35 icons on my S3 if I choose. Plenty of room for my various widgets. So Awesome. I have no idea what your saying here. And no uniformity? I like knowing a gazillion people may have a phone like mine, but all of our home screens look different. Every iPhone looks the same on/off/left/right/up/down. If you WANT to be a lamb in the herd, you can get icon packs to make everything look just like an iPhone, or whatever. I have used both platforms for years. It appears you only know Apple. I'm sorry.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:44 3

69. sharks (Posts: 167; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)


No wonder why J K Shin assured us that Samsung is definitely going to adopt 64-bit CPU for its next flagship AKA Galaxy S5. Since they make it for Apple, they're going to "copy" it - like they've been doing all along since the first iPhone.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:03 6

77. 0o0blackstar0o0 (Posts: 86; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


64bit ain't nothing without 4gig ram+

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 16:58

114. ghaniosman (Posts: 64; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


In the world of technology nothing is impossible!! I m pretty damm sure there will be a way out, ip5s ain't got 4gigs of ram, they would rather die instead

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:55 6

87. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1633; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


please explain to everyone here how samsung has ever copied apple, im genuinely interested into what BS excuse you have...

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 12:59 1

96. sniper1087 (Posts: 408; Member since: 31 Dec 2011)


Well if you look back since 2007 you would notice, design copy, as well as UI , samsung has always been trying to follow apple, until recently since its toe to toe now, they probably dont care much, but nevertheless touchwiz from the beginning was a copy of apples UI, adding the similar design also, with a physical home button, I dont know what to tell you, if not copying, of course in this industry everybody copies, but samsung more than others were blatantly copying apple, thats why they had to pay for doing so.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 13:05 2

99. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8840; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Don't go there. Just stop right there to avoid another war.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 13:23 6

101. theaztech (unregistered)


what about what ios has done with android?
You now have the control settings,
the live wallpapers,
the multitasking,
the notifications,
the lock screen,

apples the one doing the copying now.
your talkinga bout 2007, thats 6 years ago.
when was the last time apple did anything innovative?

not this year, not last year, and for sure not the year before last.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 13:45

102. sniper1087 (Posts: 408; Member since: 31 Dec 2011)


Well look 64bit processor is bringing a new window for innovation, yes it might not mean much, but if they didnt do it, nobody would have brought it for a while, reason why samsung had to mention it after it was shown by apple. Fingerprint sensor while it was used before by the atrix, it was never as accurate as apple has done it, and yes even though lenovo laptops have fingerprint sensor, they are not as accurate.

posted on 22 Sep 2013, 08:33

126. anglosaxonengland (Posts: 17; Member since: 11 Sep 2013)


Most of those stuff didn't originate from android either.
Control setting... Long in Ubuntu
Live wallpaper, Microsoft introduced that in Vista
Multi task UI, inspired by HTC Sense 5 and WebOS
Notification, most defiantly Android 1.0
Lockscreen, idk doesn't look like stock android, it's probably inspired to Samsung Galaxy S3's water dripping effect.

What has apple done, pointed smartphones in the right direction which is why we have android the way it is today..... Respect where it's due.

Apple innovation... Probably in 2007.........

HTC's innovations are on the right track with the boom sound speakers etc..

Samsung isn't innovative either, worthless gimmicks have a lot to be desired.

Google's is somewhat innovative with wireless g charging, NFC (No Fu(king cables) etc.... But I believe wireless charging was intel's idea at first.

posted on 22 Sep 2013, 09:51

131. sniper1087 (Posts: 408; Member since: 31 Dec 2011)


Wireless charging webos first, well at least before android not sure about intel.

posted on 22 Sep 2013, 15:12

133. willard12 (Posts: 869; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Please refer to the samsung f700 for your physical home button. You have to wonder, if you are completely clueless on one thing,how much else are you clueless about?

posted on 22 Sep 2013, 08:25

125. anglosaxonengland (Posts: 17; Member since: 11 Sep 2013)


The only thing Samsung has ever copied were some design elements on the UI.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 12:08 6

90. quesoesgrande (Posts: 217; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


It's not copying if you're the one making it...

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 21:16

123. moroninc (Posts: 186; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)


true dat!!

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 14:39 4

103. av911 (Posts: 150; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


Yeah, just like how they copied Apple with their Exynos processors, or 5+ inch screens, or S-pen, etc.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 15:03 3

107. tedkord (Posts: 5129; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


No, Samsung are going to do the same thing Apple did, take ARM's long ago announced 64bit reference design and instruction set, and modify it with their own tweaks. Like they've done with the Exynos models since before Apple started modifying ARM's designs.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:19 34

2. twens (Posts: 697; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


and its funny how apple haters hate samsung phones. lol

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 06:27 19

27. ghaniosman (Posts: 64; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


So '2x better performance than previous generation processor' and the 'world' s 1st 64-bit processor for mobile' credit goes to $AM$UNG!!! WOOHOOO!!

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 08:53 16

58. nctx77 (Posts: 556; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)


Wrong buddy! Samsung manufactures and assembles the chip, not design them. Apple designs there software and hardware, but are not in the manufacturing business. Saying samsung designed the A7 is like saying Foxconn designed the iphone.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:47 8

71. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


You are wrong. It's Samsung's techology:
"suspect that the processor will utilize Samsung's 28-nanometer Hi K metal Gate. If that prediction proves accurate, it would mean Apple is using the same process as the Galaxy S4's Exynos Application processor."
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:35 2

64. HansGoneInsane (Posts: 384; Member since: 09 Aug 2013)


Samsung builds the CPU as Apple designed and engineered it. Do you want to see Apple's creation in action? Here is a very good link to benchmarks. The summary in short: The iPhone 5S clearly beats the competition. Reading the article teaches people how Android manufacturers fool their customers with specs.

http://gizmodo.com/iphone-a7-chip-benchmarks-forget-the-specs-it-blows-e-1350717023

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:17 5

79. LionStone (Posts: 465; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Hey that's great! ... for a tiny 4" screen! lol!

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:41 1

65. rf1975 (Posts: 247; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Lol, So according to your logic, iPhone credit should goes to hon hai Ltd (Foxconn). Be little educated before comment.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:50 2

73. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


It's not the same. Apple here use Samsungs's technology:
"suspect that the processor will utilize Samsung's 28-nanometer Hi K metal Gate. If that prediction proves accurate, it would mean Apple is using the same process as the Galaxy S4's Exynos Application processor."
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:21 7

3. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


No Samsung hate. iPhone is just designed by Apple but engineered by Samsung. So who is better? the designer or the engineer?

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:56 1

8. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Doesn't Samsung just manufacture the processors? I'm under the impression that Apple is working with Samsung because they can make large quantities fast. So when TSMC takes over, will the processors be exactly the same or will they be different?

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 06:14 1

24. hung2900 (Posts: 817; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


No it doesnt.
Manufacturing a SoC following a design is not the same as making clothing. The designer and the engineer have to coorperate to complete a design that is manufacture-able.

So in most cases the "designer" like Apple cannot bring this design to other manufacturer like TSMC

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 07:27

39. robinlim85 (Posts: 85; Member since: 03 May 2013)


wait...apple not doing anything right..dumdroid fans told me that
yea right,just somehow when apple coorperate samsung in doing a lame outdated dual core design,it outperform samsung own quad core design by a mile,with half the ram btw

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 19:38

120. PostalJim (Posts: 46; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)


Comparing an iPhone to an Android is not fair. iPhones are made to look pretty, be simple to use, and please the masses. Android does soooooo much more than iOS. Any phone could run great if it just texts, posts, calls, and plays Candy Crush Saga.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 07:32 2

42. Finalflash (Posts: 1876; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Therefore there will be massive differences between the two. The other problem being that while Samsung is very reliable for quantities and quality, TSMC is not. So next year is going to be hilarious.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 08:39

53. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Well of course they have to cooperate. To what extent is the question.

Unless Samsung has some special machinery that other companies like TSMC don't have (which is possible), I don't see why TSMC can't make an almost identical processor.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 10:54 1

74. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


Wrong.
Apple use here Samsung's 28-nanometer Hi K metal Gate. Apple is using the same process as Exynos Application processor.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 15:07 1

108. tedkord (Posts: 5129; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Apple doesn't design their processors from the ground up. They're modified ARM designs. They take a reference design and tweak it, just like Samsung has done with it's Exynos line longer.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 08:31

52. AKumar47 (Posts: 48; Member since: 11 Sep 2013)


OS vs OS... no such individual was born like a jarhead, it is just how they nurture their brains...this two giants had one thing in common controlled by apples patency within their own circumstances... if they will cut their bridge of contracts, well then let the real battle begins...

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:27 1

4. GrapeEyes (Posts: 248; Member since: 01 Sep 2013)


In this situation, Samsung is in the best position. However Samsung should try it's best to keep Apple buying its processors, becuase Apple sells a lot of phones and why would you want to give that money to someone else.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 07:36 5

43. Finalflash (Posts: 1876; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Because Samsung themselves are having to outsource their own chips because Apple keeps taking their capacity. Hence why there are a handful exynos based devices out there. If apple leaves, likely it will have nil affect on Samsung. It'll actually be better since it will be cheaper for Samsung.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:00 1

59. robinlim85 (Posts: 85; Member since: 03 May 2013)


weirdly samsung takes on orders thats disadvantage to them
great logic by you,even samsung insider baffle with what you said

what i heard is that samsung executive crying and begging for apple business,and they send sexy hot korean female exec to bed with tim cook just to get the orders again

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 09:19 1

62. Spikes9s (Posts: 34; Member since: 09 Aug 2013)


Exactly Samsung really needs to do some sexist aproach to get an order from Apple, then you hit your head while turning in your bed and all of a suden you... WOKE UP... iPeasant

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:25

80. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


You're way off. If Apple leaves...they just go to another chip fab. And Samsung loses a ton of money. Money that they spend on endless adds and R&D which is exactly what's keeping Samsung competitive.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 15:10 3

109. tedkord (Posts: 5129; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Actually, if Apple leaves, Samsung will no longer need to outsource for CPUs for it's own smartphones (which they sell many more of than Apple). Samsung is in a no lose situation, being vertically integrated.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 19:42

121. PostalJim (Posts: 46; Member since: 01 Sep 2011)


Yeah. It's the little bit of change they make off those chips. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with selling a Bajillion devices every month.

posted on 23 Sep 2013, 02:48

134. Taters (Posts: 3525; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Regardless of who loses more money, Samsung needs to find another diamond mine. Apple resources won't last forever, especially when they don't care about the non high end markets and rely on 3 or 4 products only.

In their iphone 5 peak it sold out in minutes and wasn't available for awhile. With the 5s most people in BC can just walk into the store and pick one up until today. With the iphone 6, if this trend continues, the GS5 will be the bigger ticket.

Samsung is more than prepared, it isn't just Apple that buys off them. Everyone does really.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:28

5. aayupanday (Posts: 520; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


And What about the GPU ?
Is it the PowerVR Rogue?

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 11:26

81. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


It is. Produces equal results to the beefy Adreno 330 in the TRex benchmark (offscreen of course).

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 12:15

91. aayupanday (Posts: 520; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


Figured it out...
It's the PowerVR G6430 Rogue 28nm GPU.... A true BeasT.
AnandTech have done some awesome anaylsis of the CPU/GPU performance of the iPhone 5S.
Can expect the Rogue G6630 to be powering the iPad 5.

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 04:40 27

6. SonyPS4 (Posts: 258; Member since: 21 May 2013)


CMOS sensor - Sony
Display - Sharp or LG
DRAM - Elpida
Nand flash - SK Hynix
Module for wifi - Murata
Audio chip - Cirrus Logic
Touchscreen Controller - Broadcom

posted on 21 Sep 2013, 05:39 15

16. taikucing (unregistered)


And iFans think all iPhone parts are from Apple

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