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Samsung boosts graphics in Exynos Galaxy S4 to manipulate benchmark scores

0. phoneArena 30 Jul 2013, 09:33 posted on

The Samsung Galaxy S4 is the best selling Android smartphone of all times and it’s scored tremendously well in benchmarks…

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posted on 30 Jul 2013, 17:16 1

65. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


How long did it take for you to write that: 45mins
How many f*cks anyone gives: 0
Get the picture.....

posted on 31 Jul 2013, 04:38

84. giani (Posts: 269; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


Which part got u annoyed...the one where I said yr pathetic or the one where I said u don't have a brain ?!

posted on 31 Jul 2013, 04:48 1

86. giani (Posts: 269; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


If what you said it took me 45 min to write 200 words is based on yr own capabilities..then don't bother answering because I know.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 09:53 13

5. darkvadervip (Posts: 365; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


Now I will say that's innovation of being a cheater. Lol

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 09:54 8

6. Cha7520 (Posts: 221; Member since: 31 Oct 2010)


LOL..cheat!

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 09:54 21

7. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)


Cheap plastic, and now cheap tricks. What's next?

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 09:59 16

8. alpinejason (Posts: 262; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)


Does not surprise me Samsung has never been innovative. Alwaysa company who follows others

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:04 10

10. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


Exactly...I swear I'm jus waiting for Sony and HTC to pick up their marketing game so they can finnally "do away" with this cheap and fraud of a company.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:38 10

26. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Sony? LOL.
HTC? The company who produced a high end flagship that's still dying?

And technically, Samsung didn't cheat. In the specs of their phone, they list the GPU clocked at 533MHz.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/06/samsung-galaxy-s4-octacore-review/

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:06 6

39. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I don't think you're getting the point. The thing people are getting flustered about is that it's only 533 MHz in benchmarks, otherwise, it's 480 MHz. That means that Samsung intentionally boosted the clock speed in benchmarks to try and seem like they have an edge on the competition in terms of performance.

It makes them look good to anyone who might be looking at those benchmarks, but in reality you don't get any sort of performance boost in real use.

They used irregular techniques (overclocking in benchmarks) to give them an advantage, that's cheating. It's like comparing the Droid DNA to the Xperia Z, but overclocking the Xperia Z to 1.7 GHz during the benchmarks and not telling anyone, which gives Sony the "edge" in performance when (theoretically) they both should be equal.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:11 4

41. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


When running a benchmark test, it's smart to run said GPU/CPU to the fullest extent to see how powerful the chip is. Therefore, I don't see the issue here.

On a side note, I can't believe the amount of people bashing Samsung. Where were they when Intel had unbelievable results due to Turbo Boost?

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:21 5

44. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


But the point of a benchmark is to see how the device will perform under daily use. If the GPU is underclocked outside of benchmarks, that means the benchmarks aren't entirely accurate and consumers are getting slightly lower performance than what the benchmarks indicate, it's misleading consumers. That's what the problem is.

From my understanding, Turbo Boost does overclock the CPU, but it's affects can be used in any task, not just in benchmarks. With Turbo Boost, you get above average performance all around when it is required, but with what Samsung is doing, it's only in benchmarks. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 18:47 5

69. GTR722 (Posts: 261; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


Mad Samsung fanboy is mad.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 21:07

75. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


If you call me a fanboy then you obviously must be new here.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:28 3

20. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Your comment made lol. Tell me again how LG's UI is a terrible knock off of Touchwiz Nature UX?

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 19:02 4

70. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Before you forgot you shames**t fanboy that will defend Samsung till the death , LGUI 3.0 got unveiled on the Optimus 4xHD before Samsung unveil the Galaxy crap 3 with its nature UX *inspired by crayons , designed for dogs*

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:28 5

21. MrKoles (Posts: 368; Member since: 20 Jan 2013)


So, you say that Samsung suddenly became not innovative because they boosted the GPU with f*ckin´ 53 MHz?

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:07 15

12. rantao333 (Posts: 322; Member since: 21 May 2013)


look at how anand said

"...The risk of doing nothing is that we end up in an arms race between all of the SoC and device makers where non-insignificant amounts of time and engineering effort is spent on gaming the benchmarks rather than improving user experience. Optimizing for user experience is all that’s necessary, good benchmarks benefit indirectly - those that don’t will eventually become irrelevant."

sammy fans still brag about benchmarks nowadays... while the others realize user experienced is more important..

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:11 7

13. yoavst (Posts: 17; Member since: 29 Jul 2013)


Cheats?
it called benchmark optimization - set the CPU and GPU on their Higher clock rate.
it is legal, cuz the device didn't cheat, just run at full power (even not full power with this exynos).
So stop say that samsung cheated, she didn't do something ilegal

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:40 17

27. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"benchmark optimization" or cheating.
It IS cheating if it has an unrealistic advantage using artificial techniques, in benchmarks alone, over the competition, but performs more or less the same as the competition in real usage. Its fooling the users into believing that it performs better than the competition.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:43 11

30. rf1975 (Posts: 258; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Looks like you are one of those trolls payed by Samsung.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:14 6

15. ianbbaa (Posts: 305; Member since: 20 Mar 2013)


BAD written article dear PA.
...PowerVr 544mp3 graphic unit on S4 is made for 533mhz...it is also stated in specs everywehere...
...it runs antutu and other bench apps on 533 - is there smthng wrong?
..when it runs on 480mhz in normal usage, it doesnt mean that they are cheating - they just downclocked the gpu to save more battery for normal usage.

According specs of the gpu unit, they do not CHEAt anyone, they just downclock everywhere expect antutu...am i right???

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:33 8

24. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 4004; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


"This seems to be purely an optimization to produce repeatable (and high) results in CPU tests, and deliver the highest possible GPU performance benchmarks."

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:44 8

31. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


downclocking it everywhere else except on antutu and/or the other the other benchmark apps is cheating...because that would make the results inaccurate,people will think that the phone is equally fast with the other apps and games...
this is the reason why benchmarks people should stop looking at the specs and benchmarks...experience is more important.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:51

35. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


"this is the reason why benchmarks are not as useful as they appear to be"(correction)

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:16 3

16. pwnarena (Posts: 1129; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


Hey Victor, I don't think this statement is accurate:

"The Samsung Galaxy S4 is the best selling Android smartphone of all times"

The S3 is still the best-selling Android smartphone. As of the latest Samsung announcement, the S4 only managed to sell 23 million units. I think the more accurate way to put it is "the FASTEST-SELLING Android smartphone of all time." We still don't know if it beats the S3 record.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 10:29 2

22. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Galaxy S4 sold 20 million in two months. GS3 sold 10. Therefore statement is still valid.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 11:23 1

45. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Actually, saying best all times means it has the best number/most number. As of now, s3 is still superior to s4 in terms of number of sales. But that wont be long.

posted on 30 Jul 2013, 14:25 2

58. pwnarena (Posts: 1129; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


Well in my experience as a regular consumer of web and print content written in the English language, be "best-selling" generally means having the most number of sales. Think best-selling album, best-selling record, best-selling video game.

I think you need to know the English vocabulary better. Best-selling does not equate to being the fastest-selling. Until S4 sales exceed the total number of S3 sales, it cannot be considered the best-selling yet.

Well, this is a blog after all. There's no such thing as journalistic standards here, apparently. I yield.

posted on 31 Jul 2013, 02:26

83. Victor.H (Posts: 678; Member since: 27 May 2011)


Absolutely, thanks for the correction. I've now fixed this in the article.

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