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Samsung attorney says Apple doesn't own sexy

0. phoneArena 16 Nov 2013, 10:26 posted on

During the recent re-trial between Apple and Samsung, being held because of the original jury's confusing damages award, Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller told Judge Lucy Koh that he was "quite shocked" when he saw the Samsung Galaxy S. Not only did Schiller think to himself that Samsung had copied the Apple iPhone, he also thought that it would cause consumers to "question our innovation and design skills in a way that people never used to"...

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posted on 16 Nov 2013, 22:51

71. darkkjedii (Posts: 10079; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


We're on the same page bro. Sorry for the late response, my dad's birthday was today. Been off PA since earlier. +1

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 12:38 2

26. keari (Posts: 16; Member since: 02 Jul 2013)


HTC was the main copycat of apple, why didn't apple do anything to it? Apple doesn't feel comfortable with samsung being above it

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 12:41

27. oNEWorld (Posts: 140; Member since: 01 Aug 2013)


just curious, what did HTC copy from apple? just a question.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 12:56

28. keari (Posts: 16; Member since: 02 Jul 2013)


fingerprint scanner, HTC to produce gold phones, touch screen software for clicking on phone numbers in documents from the iPhone. those are for now but in the past they copied iPhone's user interface, underlying architecture and hardware.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 13:10 4

30. tedkord (Posts: 4263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Apple copied the fingerprint scanner idea from Motorola. The gold phone from HTC wasn't from HTC, it was a third party gold coating it, they've been doing it for years.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 15:21 1

42. ngo2dd (Posts: 775; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


That fingerprint scanner was lack out way before the iPhone was released. The Gold HTC was real gold for an award as gift. The HTC interface is not where close to apple. Dude you really trying very hard for this one.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 13:47 2

32. nctx77 (Posts: 439; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)


I don't think you realize that Apple, Htc, Microsoft, Nokia, ect. Have patent deals in place. This is why none of these companies are suing each other. Apple reached out to Samsung with similar deals, but Samsung rejected deal. They were playing hard ball. In a lot of ways it worked out for them. Yes, they will have to come out of pocket for it, but they have become very successful in the mobile space because of it.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 14:17 1

34. 14545 (Posts: 1055; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


If that were true, which is clearly not, then why would apple and nokia be so mad about Samsung releasing confidential pricing to senior managers to bargain for a better deal? Also, IIRC, Jobs was quoted as saying they wouldn't pay "1 penny" for samsungs patent. Also, Apple did sue HTC too. They later reached a licensing agreement. Apple didn't want to negotiate from the start with Android OEMs because "Jobs" felt some imaginary work was stolen. They had a suit against almost all major Android OEM's at one point.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 15:40 2

44. PBXtech (Posts: 966; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Nokia and MS could leverage more against Apple than HTC could. HTC essentially signed the agreements with Apple in order to stay in business, they couldn't keep up with the amount of lawsuits like Samsung can. It also hurts HTC that they don't manufacture anything that Apple needs, quite a bit different than Samsung, who makes components for a lot of Apple's products.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 16:35 2

46. tedkord (Posts: 4263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Thats simply not true. Apples "reaching out " consisted of offering them 1/10 of one penny per device for actual tech of Samsungs, while demanding $20 per device from Samsung for shapes and patterns. Thats not a serious offer, and in fact the ITC found that Apple was never negotiating in good faith and were simply holding Samsung up.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 14:27

36. promise7 (Posts: 287; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


i believe that's the whole point of this trial at the moment, samsung has already confessed. apple wants samsung to pay $380 million in damages and samsung is saying they should pay $52 million.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 16:36 1

47. tedkord (Posts: 4263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Samsung has confessed to nothing.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 17:43

49. promise7 (Posts: 287; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Samsung's attorney Bill Price to the jury,

"There's no question Samsung infringed those five patents. So what should Samsung pay? $52 million."

http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_24507974/live-blog-apple-vs-samsung-retrial-opening-arguments

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 19:06 1

56. joey_sfb (Posts: 2505; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Whether the patent is infringed or not is determine by the jury and the court has determined they has errors in the ways they determine infringement.

Competition is a never ending cycle of product renewal only Apple stick with the same design year by year.

Apple John Ivy is a lazy person that do not want to spent too much time making newer design like the rest of the world engineer or product designer so whatever they called themselves.

I am sick of macbook design. Its what 5 years since we see anything new.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 22:41

70. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


@darkkjedii
Let's put it like that.
At the end Apple will pay Samsung for patents, more that Samsung will pay to Apple for their iBS ,
And that's fair.
Because Samsung owns real patents.

The funny thing is that Apple startet it. LOL They are so helpless today, that even Obama cant do much for them.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 11:20 4

14. PBXtech (Posts: 966; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


So Jobs was right, Apple should never have built a smaller tablet. That would be irony at its best if they lost a huge chunk of money due to Samsung proving they copied their Tab.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 14:10 6

33. MEeee (Posts: 213; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Samsung 2009 Tablet
http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/05/samsungs-nano-powered-q1ex-umpc-loses-its-qwerty-at-the-fcc/

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 14:45 1

39. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


And yet another nugget in the ongoing saga of Apple created the world...

Nice find. I await someone to chime in and say Apple had designs for the iPad in 1965.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 19:13 2

57. joey_sfb (Posts: 2505; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Wow! a Samsung's iPad that Apple had copied and then take away any meaningful feature like SD slot that is a threat to their lock down iTune platform.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 21:03

63. elitewolverine (Posts: 1139; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Not running their own OS, and was using tech that was pc compatible that was not infringing on patents of other companies.

It is one thing to make things smaller out of smaller parts that are already on the market and you have patent rights to.

It is another to copy and not pay.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 15:14 3

41. Taters (Posts: 2581; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Apple has entitlement issues and the good old us of a and the courts are letting them get away with it. Sad times we live in.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 16:06

45. Abo3amood (Posts: 7; Member since: 16 Nov 2013)


Stop being greedy ! Each one has his share of the market so stop hating and focus on satisfying our wants/needs in the most profitable way. Hope that the fight for the highest market share & reputation stops as it's useless ,besides it'll do u no good fighting with rivals as it'll just give a bad impression especially when when fighting on meaningless bs.

posted on 16 Nov 2013, 21:08 1

64. spectrums (Posts: 127; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


Yes, I'm Verry Agree With This Statements, Iphone Design Is Simple, Like Toy Kid :D

posted on 17 Nov 2013, 01:23

76. Ashoaib (Posts: 1205; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Apple own everything the world... whenever I go to toilet and sh'i't, I feel afraid what if it resemble apple's? I will be in sewer headache to testified against apple... which design of apple is unique? Nothing, they are copying sony's old designs.. their phones look like an inspiration from sony.. apple said galaxy 2 look like iphone, from where both look same? But vision impaired ijudges put fine

posted on 17 Nov 2013, 08:19

79. networkdood (Posts: 6244; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


Hmmm, I see nothing has really changed in PhoneArena - except now, I can see 'Posts: 721; Member since: 08 Jul 2011' next to my name, or something like that.

posted on 18 Nov 2013, 01:47

86. poping (unregistered)


lol... so apple thinks aluminum is sexy huh?
wait till sammy releases that titanium phone...

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