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Samsung attacks Apple experts as "slavishly" following Apple's cult-like status

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Apple CEO Tim Cook will meet with his Samsung counterpart starting Monday

Apple CEO Tim Cook will meet with his Samsung counterpart starting Monday

Remember those Samsung commercials that made fun of Apple iPhone users waiting on line for the next version of the smartphone? That was mild compared to Samsung's recent filing in a California court. As we told you, both Samsung and Apple have cut back on the number of claims to make the case more manageable. In addition, this is the time when both sides file motions with the court seeking to have certain claims receive a summary judgment or to have certain theories or experts excluded from the case.

Samsung's filing attacks some of the expert witnesses used by Apple. Samsung writes that Apple's damages expert, Terry L. Musika, noted the 'cult-like' status that Apple has achieved. With that in mind, Samsung says that several experts whom appeared in court for Apple threw out principals of science and law and instead replaced them with "slavish adoration" of Apple and its products which they treat as "magical and revolutionary products". The one expert that Samsung attacks the most is Henry Urbach.

According to the Korean based Samsung, Urbach "unquestionably is a loyal devotee of Apple, its designers, its products, and its retail stores" and describes Apple's cultural significance "[i]n flowery terms". Before getting the paying gig as Apple expert for this case, Urbach had written an essay on Apple's retail stores called Gardens of Earthly Delights in which he described the locations as being "quasi-religious in almost every respect...chapels for the Information Age." He also referred to the late Steve Jobs as "St. Eve". Samsung also objects to his status as an expert in the case because he has no experience in product design or marketing, subjects which the case in question revolve around. Samsung notes that Urbach's opinions in this case would go "beyond his area of expertise".
"Apple's damages expert, Terry L. Musika, writes in his report that 'Apple has built a considerable and at times a cult-like following to all things Apple.' That cult-like following apparently includes several experts who are appearing on Apple's behalf in this case, and may explain why they have cast aside established scientific methods and governing legal principles in favor of slavish adoration of their client and platitudes about its alleged magical and revolutionary products, issues that are of no relevance to the claims and defenses at issue."-Samsung legal filing
Samsung seeks the exclusion of testimony from two other witnesses and the exclusion of the opinions from five other Apple experts. For its part, Apple attacks the opinions and qualifications of eight Samsung experts. It also wants certain of Samsung's theories to be excluded from the record for not fitting in with Samsung's original contentions or because there was nothing found in discovery that would prove them to be correct. Samsung says the six design patents Apple is using in this case are invalid. Five of them are "prior-art" according to Samsung, while the other was applied for after the Apple iPhone went on sale. Samsung also wants the utility patents tossed saying that three of them are invalid and the '915 patent was not infringed. Samsung is also seeking the removal of claims based on FRAND for lack of proof, and claims that Apple's trade dresses are invalid.

Sounds like a lot of issues to decide which means a big headache for the Judge. With Apple and Samsung having a CEO-level sit down Monday and Tuesday, relations between the two are getting worse, not better.

source: FOSSPatents

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posted on 20 May 2012, 12:45 27

1. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


So the Apple experts are creative barista

posted on 20 May 2012, 12:50 32

2. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Henry Urbach.. throwing out principals of science and law and instead replacing them with "slavish adoration" of Apple and its products..

could this be taco? :P

posted on 20 May 2012, 13:30 18

4. rd_nest (Posts: 1606; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


that was genius

posted on 20 May 2012, 13:35 18

6. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)


That would imply taco could land and hold a job LMFAO. I think he's perfectly happy living off of mommy and trolling phonearena all day.

posted on 20 May 2012, 14:43 11

18. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


Plus he never gives up.... tho we put him down
He still comes back for more and still we disgrace him....

posted on 20 May 2012, 16:56 6

37. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)


LMFAO, oh gee, I wonder who could have possibly given me a thumbs down? Not that I care in the least, but that is really funny!
L
O
L

posted on 20 May 2012, 17:20 5

42. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


It was taco and there is another
Frypan in here who thumped u down

posted on 20 May 2012, 20:07 1

61. paulyyd (Posts: 338; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)


LOL yeah man! bro you're so funny!

lol f**king pussy.

posted on 20 May 2012, 13:34 15

5. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)


Good for Sammy! Hopefully the judge isn't an iDiot and agrees with them and we can put an end to apples stupid BULLSH*T lawsuits. I absolutely LOVE Sammy calling apple out on their "experts" who are bought and paid for. Bonus points for calling them out on "magical" and "revolutionary" not being actul scientigfic terms.

posted on 20 May 2012, 13:39 1

7. 1ceTr0n (Posts: 549; Member since: 20 May 2012)


I'm surprised they bicker at eachother this much considering that Samsung makes around 50-80% of the components within apples fanboy fueled products.

posted on 20 May 2012, 13:54 1

9. Pancholo (Posts: 380; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


I agree. Makes you think that by now they could have found another supplier/developer, or they could have simply invested in researching and developing every single component on their own (though adding to its closedness and cultish facet).

I say both parties have agreed that this is just a decent cash sink for their companies.

posted on 20 May 2012, 16:30 2

30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


actually Apple designs the product. Samsung is just the dumb factory. That's like saying Foxconn is the one really making iPhones.

posted on 20 May 2012, 16:36 10

33. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


Your doomed by Apple and sir..... Apple can't make jack
s**t all they do is choose this that here there....
You must be a young uneducated unwise little boy....
Samsung makes almost everything. ...... They are smart intellect. unlike Apple they just buy and take what exist.....

posted on 20 May 2012, 16:43 7

35. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


I always seeing u get bashed by other users. They put u down
U always loose debating they all trash u and shut u up.....
But u still come back..... U ur always getting thumbs down....
Just get over it its full ov android fandroids. U use apple products ur a she?p$....

posted on 20 May 2012, 17:14 7

39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Apple designs the casing and the OS. it has no part in actual parts design. They bought a chip design company, which happened to be the same company Samsung was using which is why Apple continues to just rebrand Samsung chips and change out their GPU.

Like always, you have zero clue of anything you speak of, and just spout off out of your troll mouth.

posted on 20 May 2012, 17:22 4

43. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


do you even know how much samsung spends on r&d....they make apple look like cheapgates..

posted on 20 May 2012, 17:58 1

50. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You sound brain washed.

posted on 20 May 2012, 18:17 6

51. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


*brainwashed
You sound wasted because of your constant support of inferior products.

posted on 20 May 2012, 18:30 2

52. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


lol your obviously kid...
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-R-D-spending-reached-record-9-billion-in-2011_id28667

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-looking-to-break-its-R-D-spending-record-next-year-mobile-chips-and-OLED-displays-in-focus_id23627

posted on 20 May 2012, 17:32 3

48. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


Taco is gone his lost again.... What uve got
Nothing to say.... Did we shut u up....

posted on 20 May 2012, 18:31 2

53. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


sometimes kid are kids and dont like the truth

posted on 20 May 2012, 18:47 2

54. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)


Yup. What a sad, strange, pathetic little man he is LOL

posted on 20 May 2012, 19:48 5

60. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


Without Samsung there would be no iPhone

posted on 20 May 2012, 13:47 4

8. christianqwerty (Posts: 467; Member since: 05 May 2011)


Apple doesn't force people to buy their products, they don't force people to work for them either. Calling apples fan base "cult-like" Is rediculous. People like apple because everything just works. It's not complicated or hard to learn, there isn't a huge learning curve, it may be expensive, but you know it's going to last a while. Sure, there are a lot of people who buy iPhones just to look cool, to fit in, or to show off their money, but it's like that with everything, cars, laptops, and other phones.

posted on 20 May 2012, 13:59 16

10. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)


Android is not hard to learn and most of the things in Android work better than iOS. This has been proved time and again, yet people like you keep on yapping the same nonsense. I think Apple users are wired to shout fragmentation and lag whenever they see or hear Android no matter how high-end the phone is.
And in this case Samsung is basically calling the experts as Apple baristas not the fan-base. They did that on many occasions previously.

posted on 20 May 2012, 14:29 12

17. christianqwerty (Posts: 467; Member since: 05 May 2011)


I like all OS's , I think that they all have their faults. I never said android was laggy or fragmented, you put those words in my mouth. I think iOS and WP7 are the easiest to learn, they are the most simple. Android has more to offer, along with more customization, which is why it is a little harder to learn.

posted on 20 May 2012, 14:57 11

19. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


True iOS iPhone are for basic tech computer
Illiterate people.... Androids are for the next level
people....

posted on 20 May 2012, 15:35 4

23. matrix_neo (Posts: 334; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


I'm 100% agree with you iOS is a thing in the past, android is the future. Now many devices are using android OS not only in phones and tablets. Maybe some day some eyesheeps are using android devices without knowing it. Lol

posted on 20 May 2012, 15:49 2

25. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


hahahaha.... so sad if we call apple or the users eyesheeps,
instead ov the word i, u get a warning from Arena and than a banned...... But the very good thing About Android we don't have them nasty degrading names like them. even u can't rhyme it....

posted on 20 May 2012, 14:59 3

20. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)


The difference in learning curve is not significant at all. People behave like they have to use command line shells and terminals to get things done in Android.

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