Samsung attacks Apple experts as "slavishly" following Apple's cult-like status
Samsung's filing attacks some of the expert witnesses used by Apple. Samsung writes that Apple's damages expert, Terry L. Musika, noted the 'cult-like' status that Apple has achieved. With that in mind, Samsung says that several experts whom appeared in court for Apple threw out principals of science and law and instead replaced them with "slavish adoration" of Apple and its products which they treat as "magical and revolutionary products". The one expert that Samsung attacks the most is Henry Urbach.
According to the Korean based Samsung, Urbach "unquestionably is a loyal devotee of Apple, its designers, its products, and its retail stores" and describes Apple's cultural significance "[i]n flowery terms". Before getting the paying gig as Apple expert for this case, Urbach had written an essay on Apple's retail stores called Gardens of Earthly Delights in which he described the locations as being "quasi-religious in almost every respect...chapels for the Information Age." He also referred to the late Steve Jobs as "St. Eve". Samsung also objects to his status as an expert in the case because he has no experience in product design or marketing, subjects which the case in question revolve around. Samsung notes that Urbach's opinions in this case would go "beyond his area of expertise".
Sounds like a lot of issues to decide which means a big headache for the Judge. With Apple and Samsung having a CEO-level sit down Monday and Tuesday, relations between the two are getting worse, not better.
2. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Henry Urbach.. throwing out principals of science and law and instead replacing them with "slavish adoration" of Apple and its products..
could this be taco? :P
6. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)
That would imply taco could land and hold a job LMFAO. I think he's perfectly happy living off of mommy and trolling phonearena all day.
18. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Plus he never gives up.... tho we put him down
He still comes back for more and still we disgrace him....
37. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)
LMFAO, oh gee, I wonder who could have possibly given me a thumbs down? Not that I care in the least, but that is really funny!
42. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
It was taco and there is another
Frypan in here who thumped u down
61. paulyyd (Posts: 316; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)
LOL yeah man! bro you're so funny!
lol f**king pussy.
5. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)
Good for Sammy! Hopefully the judge isn't an iDiot and agrees with them and we can put an end to apples stupid BULLSH*T lawsuits. I absolutely LOVE Sammy calling apple out on their "experts" who are bought and paid for. Bonus points for calling them out on "magical" and "revolutionary" not being actul scientigfic terms.
7. 1ceTr0n (Posts: 287; Member since: 20 May 2012)
I'm surprised they bicker at eachother this much considering that Samsung makes around 50-80% of the components within apples fanboy fueled products.
9. Pancholo (Posts: 299; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
I agree. Makes you think that by now they could have found another supplier/developer, or they could have simply invested in researching and developing every single component on their own (though adding to its closedness and cultish facet).
I say both parties have agreed that this is just a decent cash sink for their companies.
30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
actually Apple designs the product. Samsung is just the dumb factory. That's like saying Foxconn is the one really making iPhones.
33. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
Your doomed by Apple and sir..... Apple can't make jack
s**t all they do is choose this that here there....
You must be a young uneducated unwise little boy....
Samsung makes almost everything. ...... They are smart intellect. unlike Apple they just buy and take what exist.....
35. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
I always seeing u get bashed by other users. They put u down
U always loose debating they all trash u and shut u up.....
But u still come back..... U ur always getting thumbs down....
Just get over it its full ov android fandroids. U use apple products ur a she?p$....
39. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Apple designs the casing and the OS. it has no part in actual parts design. They bought a chip design company, which happened to be the same company Samsung was using which is why Apple continues to just rebrand Samsung chips and change out their GPU.
Like always, you have zero clue of anything you speak of, and just spout off out of your troll mouth.
43. taz89 (Posts: 1766; Member since: 03 May 2011)
do you even know how much samsung spends on r&d....they make apple look like cheapgates..
51. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
You sound wasted because of your constant support of inferior products.
52. taz89 (Posts: 1766; Member since: 03 May 2011)
lol your obviously kid...
48. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
Taco is gone his lost again.... What uve got
Nothing to say.... Did we shut u up....
53. taz89 (Posts: 1766; Member since: 03 May 2011)
sometimes kid are kids and dont like the truth
54. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)
Yup. What a sad, strange, pathetic little man he is LOL
8. christianqwerty (Posts: 456; Member since: 05 May 2011)
Apple doesn't force people to buy their products, they don't force people to work for them either. Calling apples fan base "cult-like" Is rediculous. People like apple because everything just works. It's not complicated or hard to learn, there isn't a huge learning curve, it may be expensive, but you know it's going to last a while. Sure, there are a lot of people who buy iPhones just to look cool, to fit in, or to show off their money, but it's like that with everything, cars, laptops, and other phones.
10. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
Android is not hard to learn and most of the things in Android work better than iOS. This has been proved time and again, yet people like you keep on yapping the same nonsense. I think Apple users are wired to shout fragmentation and lag whenever they see or hear Android no matter how high-end the phone is.
And in this case Samsung is basically calling the experts as Apple baristas not the fan-base. They did that on many occasions previously.
17. christianqwerty (Posts: 456; Member since: 05 May 2011)
I like all OS's , I think that they all have their faults. I never said android was laggy or fragmented, you put those words in my mouth. I think iOS and WP7 are the easiest to learn, they are the most simple. Android has more to offer, along with more customization, which is why it is a little harder to learn.
19. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
True iOS iPhone are for basic tech computer
Illiterate people.... Androids are for the next level
23. matrix_neo (Posts: 306; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
I'm 100% agree with you iOS is a thing in the past, android is the future. Now many devices are using android OS not only in phones and tablets. Maybe some day some eyesheeps are using android devices without knowing it. Lol
25. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
hahahaha.... so sad if we call apple or the users eyesheeps,
instead ov the word i, u get a warning from Arena and than a banned...... But the very good thing About Android we don't have them nasty degrading names like them. even u can't rhyme it....
20. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
The difference in learning curve is not significant at all. People behave like they have to use command line shells and terminals to get things done in Android.
22. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Exactly. And who said Android was harder in the first place? I can put Wifi, 4g, Bluetooth, and GPS widgets on my home screen and easily turn them on and off. Or I can just do the same with Sammy's Touchwiz on the notification bar. With iOS? You have to go into settings and turn on a bunch of things.
Tell me what's easier and simpler here.
27. Nickmfnjackson (Posts: 99; Member since: 21 Jan 2010)
Man. You don't realize. Some people are just freaking stupid. These days it just epidemic. If you don't believe me, ask a typical ios user what a "long press" is. Have your camera ready so you can take a picture of their confusion.
31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Actually android isn't user friendly at all. It's a very messy OS and also ugly.
Windows will overtake android.
36. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
Its not for basic users like u....
U need brains and need to be on the
Next level to use understand the OS..... Unlike
Ios its for grannys little kids for stupid dump people who can't read and write.....
40. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
If you say Android OS = ugly and messy,
then say Android OS copy iOS,
so Android OS = iOS
therefore you saying that "[iOS] is very mess OS and also ugly."
56. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)
BOOM ROASTED! Destroyed that f*cking idiot with his own "logic"! I love you!
44. taz89 (Posts: 1766; Member since: 03 May 2011)
does that mean all android users are clever because i find android simple to use and some thing on android is much easier to use than on ios...windows will take over lol let it 1st take over rim then will talk
55. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)
Really? Is that why I have so many people who buy iphones bug the SH*T out of me with stupid questions all the time, and rarely have people ask for help with their android devices? Is that why I can show a first time smart phone user how to use android in 5-15 minutes whereas I can spend hours, days, or even WEEKS showing the same iDiot how to use their ios device? Because ios is more user friendly? Tell me, what color is the grass in your world?
70. Fallout09 (Posts: 397; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
I completely agree. I laugh every time I am in the mall and I walk by the Apple store. I always see groups of 10 people learning how to use there new iPad. I applaud Apple for providing these services but it just proves that iOS is not that easy to use.
57. tedkord (Posts: 3409; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Yeah, you read that in a review of the One X, right?
It's been a tough week for the faithful. The One X being rated better than the 4s, the GSIII being rated better than the 4s, and now poised to outsell it and break its sales records. Samsung taking over the top smartphone vendor spot. Not bad for an ugly, laggy, messy OS, eh?
Apple can't out innovate, and now they can't even out litigate the competition away. Android just keeps getting bigger and stronger, and Apple finds themselves playing catchup. It's the 80s all over again.
69. andro. (Posts: 1890; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Taco that's the most hilarious comment ever,especially as i see how poor windows sales are first hand on a day to day basis. Also have you not read the articles here on PA where stats show windows generally failing.
Also by your zealot logic if windows was to surpass android the would mean it would have more than 55 - 60 % of the market share,reducing androids share and also ios,as an apple fanboy can you really visualize windows having almost twice the market share as ios?! Don't think anyone could do that and keep a straight face while trying!!
11. BattleBrat (Posts: 853; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Sorry, that "everything just works" argument went out the window for apple computers when Windows 7 was released, and for phones when ICS was released. Apple has been resting on its laurels and the world has caught up. Unfortunately ICS has near computer like functionality, and BETTER than iOS reliability. iPad killer? screw that, this thing will eat a netbook!
34. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Ha ha sure how many people actually have ICS? 5%? Also we heard the same bs when honeycomb came out. Android is a mediocre iOS copy. Buggy, laggy, ugly and totally unsecure.
It's good for a starter phone for people who can't afford something better. That's about it.
45. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
So what if they haven't what's the big deal....
There still enjoying Gb 2.3.3. 126.96.36.199. There is custom Roms kernel. Ur Ios dosnt have these.
To me ur just a simple typical user ur commercial like others.....
46. taz89 (Posts: 1766; Member since: 03 May 2011)
mate your starting to show your bias side again,for a while you were actually commenting with logic and brain and not just some straight out fanboy crap...you do know that samsungs no 1 selling phone is there high ends which are just as expensive as the iphone and when someone says people only buy android because they are cheap,thats when you know they are fanboys and dont really know anything...
58. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)
Holy sh*t guy, do you never tire of looking like a f*cking crazy person?
"It's good for a starter phone for people who can't afford something better. That's about it"
LMFAO, see, I knew you were an idiot, a fool, a liar, a welcher, missing a chromosome, and just an all around piece of sh*t, but I assumed you could at least do simple math. Apparently I was wrong. My god.
iphone 4S 16gb (best selling iphone) = $150
HTC One X, S, (hottest android) = $200
Tell me, in your world $150
62. edongski1 (Posts: 3; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
Go to youtube and search for Android vs iOS. There's a 5 part comparison done by a user who had first hand experience using iOS and Android. From the testing, even the old Froyo trumps iOS 5.
Watch it and see if your arguments holds water...
12. frydaexiii (Posts: 1132; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
They don't force people to buy their products? That why the hell are they trying to get rid of all their competitors until their is only one smartphone left?
14. Pancholo (Posts: 299; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
The problem lies on individuals who start to become culturally-attached and dependent on certain products. Then again, no one can deny that once accepted by certain individuals it's already part of our culture.
Another problem arises when social constructions (such as stereotypes and prejudices towards a certain user/fan base) manifest in favor of the company and/or against the competition. It simply affects us long-term in certain aspects of the society, though this time it won't be team Edward or team Jacob anymore.
21. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Its for cults and hippies hipsters scruffy people....iPhone...
24. Pdubb (Posts: 223; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)
"Cult-like" refers to the way people worship Apple no matter what. They are not perfect but some would have you think that Apple really makes "magical" devices. When there was the antenna problem they defended it by saying that all phones had the problem. Things like that make it cult-like. Either with them or against them attitude.
28. Nickmfnjackson (Posts: 99; Member since: 21 Jan 2010)
I have a galaxy s1, 2 and plan to purchase a 3 (depending on a decent processor). Does that make ME a cultist??? Eff it. This is getting ridiculous.
32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Sounds like Samsung is getting really desperate. They can't fight the case with facts because they obviously copied so they try to attack the witnesses.
38. eyephone (banned) (Posts: 69; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
Well Atleast they took the miss out ov them
Hippys skaggys hipsters and the users and
Supporters. Even BB did the same to. Unlike
Apple they love to steal which does not belong to them
They are the cowards who don't like competitions. And ur
The user and buyer so ur part ov them....
41. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Aww.. I guess there were no napkins around for Samsung to draw "patented rectangles" on after Apple got there first,eh?
47. taz89 (Posts: 1766; Member since: 03 May 2011)
some people just never see pass the apple glasses sadly...nothing wrong with enjoying apple products as i have said countless time i was a ip4 user and still play around with iphones now and then but am not so blind that i cant see that for many people me included there are just better phones out there.
59. humandroid (Posts: 58; Member since: 11 May 2012)
"Come one! Come all! Witness a man losing his mind and slipping further and further into dementia and madness by the hour!"