Samsung and Google join Chinese manufacturers, raise concerns over Microsoft and Nokia deal
China’s Ministry of Commerce is currently reviewing the proposed acquisition which has already earned the thumbs-up from European Union regulators and the US Department of Justice last December. China is the other vital (and large) market that needs to give approval to make the deal work as intended.
Nokia (the remaining Finnish company) stands to make significant revenue from its considerable patent portfolio once the merger is completed because it is then no longer joined at the hip to its own device manufacturer or Microsoft. Microsoft itself holds a number of wireless patents, and concerns were raised that the gang in Redmond would abuse its patents which could affect Android devices too. Regulators in Europe have stated that they will keep an eye on patent fees after the merger closes.
Samsung and Google are joining ZTE and Huawei in requesting that while the Ministry conducts an anti-monopoly review (kind of oxymoronic considering the number of government owned companies in China), it impose conditions on the deal that would keep patent fees in check.
The problem is that even if the fees themselves are kept at a market-acceptable level, industries in China are notorious for infringing on patents and intellectual property. It is not outside the realm of possibilities that Nokia might be a bit more studious in enforcing what will be a significant source of revenue for the company.
1. Bernoulli (Posts: 2417; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
dang, like this I wouldn't imagine nokia making enough to buy a phone company (jolla)
14. Skoms (Posts: 118; Member since: 03 Feb 2014)
How can the Chinese government allow such a deal. That's a huge advantage to avoid paying licenses to microsoft. This will lead to Lenovo, ZTE and Huawe will be knocked out.
China must protect its manufacturers from patent trolls.
It also gives us more choice if there are more manufacturers than Nokia that would then be exempt from licensing.
This must be stopped!
22. papss (unregistered)
Just shut it already.. Really? How can china allow this??? China? The most shameful country in the world?
31. Mike_L.13 (Posts: 20; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Any time a company is raising concerns to... "China’s Ministry of Commerce" and not their own US justice department it has to raise some eyebrows.
This is shady especially considering google just purchased equity stake in Lenovo, a chinese company. this is the wrong way to do business, you don't need to take an ethics course to know that
48. Ashoaib (Posts: 2881; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
No they are proud... this is what you think only
32. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
"China must protect its manufacturers from patent trolls"
PA must protect its users from pathetic trolls!
49. Ashoaib (Posts: 2881; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
China should put a condition of free patent use for any manufacturer... an end to patent patent drama...
33. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
The thing is that they know Lumia devices are great.. It's not about patents.. They'll use any excuse they can to keep MS from doing what they know MS can do with the Lumia brand.... MS has the power to get devices on much more store shelves world wide then Nokia does.. And that's a fact!
42. shuaibhere (Posts: 1931; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
If not for NOKIA WP would have been greatest flop of this century...
It was nokia who made wp famous....I know many who bought a WP device just because it si made by Nokia and hating it now....
If not for NOKIA....WP would have been dead now...
45. elitewolverine (Posts: 3481; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
and i know many who bought a s4 and note 3 and regret it every day coming from a iphone. you forgot to put in your opinion.
I have the note 3, its use is limited and my 925 is the daily driver. Add me to your, list of ooops goes against the grain.
46. TheGenius (Posts: 339; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)
Note 3 use is limited.?
You sir need to learn how to use a 'real' smart phone .. then you'll realise how limited use the 925 has.!
47. TheGenius (Posts: 339; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)
Note 3 use is limited.?
You sir need to learn how to use a 'real' smart phone .. then you'll realise how limited use the 925 has.!
50. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
That has completely nothing to do with what I'm talking about.. Or whether MS has the power to get devices on more shelves than Nokia does... How old are you? I just want to know what kind of mind I'm dealing with here..
3. alterecho (Posts: 1095; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
I have a solution - STOP the acquisition.
15. Finalflash (Posts: 2171; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Now now, don't get hopeful, that hole is probably too deep to fill now.
43. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 170; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
It wouldn't be difficult to fill, it's just....that......nobody wants to fill it.
34. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
No,, that wouldn't be good.. If they stopped it then I might not ever get my MS made Lumia 1530 running WP8.2-0xxxx....
That wouldn't please anyone...
4. choklatwasted (Posts: 15; Member since: 29 Oct 2013)
heres an idea, handicap the use of the patents like what happened to Google and Motorola.
5. joey_sfb (Posts: 4352; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Patent should not be use like ballistic missile of destruction.
A flat rate for patent payout should be applied. 5 cents and not $35 or $40 US dollars per device.
Patent owner get reasonable compensated public get a reasonable priced device.
11. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Let me guess, you are from China? Working in one of those copycat companies?
13. aksa123 (Posts: 301; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)
WTF 5 cents? Then better pay for pattents than making new and competitive innovations !!! Crazy.
35. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
I don't know about your prices, but yes I agree..
6. techperson211 (Posts: 1002; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)
Patent B.S. Just like the fruit logo!!!
7. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1351; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
HMM did google get all this flak when it bought Motorola which it recently sold. Microsoft wants Nokia because lets face it- Nokia made Windows 8 smart phones are the only ones that are selling well enough for ANY OEM to make a profit on. other MS smart phone OEM's only make one or two windows phone models. Nokia makes I guess 8 models of Windows smart phones. I would not allow the Chinese to dictate my business operations even if they are a big market. after all India has over a billion people population and is a more favorable market place for Microsoft or Nokia. the rest of the world is a place Nokia and Microsoft's can make a lot of money. American companies in the States do not let China dictate their merges. Go on Microsoft & Nokia do your deal.
8. tigermcm (Posts: 832; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)
they sure did not get any flak yet ppl keep downplaying WP. if WP was so bad why are we doing this??? i smell fear
25. blazee (Posts: 377; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
That's because Microsoft is known for abusing and using any means to damper and slow down anything that is not theirs. Where Google is known to be fair.
36. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Fear is exactly it!... We all know that WP is great... Google, and Samsung probably saw the leaks of WP8.1-0xxxx... Lol!
9. superduper (Posts: 151; Member since: 20 Oct 2013)
But Samsung and Google are the good guys!!!!!
10. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
This is kinda ironic and funny, that the biggest thiefs and copycats in the world joined together and are worried about Nokia, which has been one of the most honest OEM in past years. Now these little copycats fear, that they have to actually pay for using others IP.
Shame on you Shamesung & Google and those Chinese copycats.
12. kanagadeepan (Posts: 773; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
M$ honest???? Nice joke sir... Nokia is going to be a part of M$, which uses flaw in patent law to kill the competitors' margins..
17. Skoms (Posts: 118; Member since: 03 Feb 2014)
they will kill the competitors, its done before.
Netscape! Linux !
30. ady_lad (Posts: 77; Member since: 17 Jul 2013)
Mate, have you read the article...these patents stay with the Finnish Nokia, not the MS...so this in not about MS but rather about Nokia.
26. blazee (Posts: 377; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
They're not worried about Nokia but Microsoft who is a known @$$%ole.
18. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1351; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Hmm come to think of it why are Google and Samsung up in arms. I think it's the New Nokia
"X" phones they do not want a Microsoft controlled Android smart phone HELL it's too late for that If the deal does not go through Nokia and Microsoft will still continue to collaborate and create this smart phone line. the Nokia X phones wont come to the USA but they will make a Dent in Samsungs low end android market. a Nokia "XL" upgraded a bit and sold for less than 200 dollars in the USA would sell like hot cakes. Samsung is really afraid of a Nokia "XL" with a pure vue camera and an HD screen with the Nokia Android OS. it would
out sell their Galaxy S5 in the USA. Google cannot stand the thought of a Microsoft controlled Android smart phone line that they cannot Control like Google controls it's OEMs like Sony Samsung. LG. HTC and others
19. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Without gapps, she's useless.
I figure once people figure out that the cheap phone runs on the most used os in the world, they'll upgrade instead of side stepping into wp.
I doubt Google is worried about that angle honestly.
20. Antonyjoseph (Posts: 216; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)
Dude there are at least a dozen android app stores other than Google play and between them they cover almost all the apps.
21. Aplusk (Posts: 116; Member since: 10 Nov 2013)
Samsung and google are afraid of upcoming nokia X series and wp8.1.
days are near for launch of nokia wp8.1 & x series.
38. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Exactly!!!!! This is exactly what they are scared of!
23. papss (unregistered)
Hmm this acquisition isn't alright but its okay for google to stop a world renowned company for their patents and sell the carcass to a Asian company? Shameful and yet another reason I dislike china as a whole
24. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
Those who defend Google sound like a Saturday Day Night live skit. Are you kidding? It was Google owning Motorola Mobility that continued to charge over the top license fees for FRAND patents. The courts had to intervene to stop Google. If anything Google just believes if they are jerks then everyone else also must be jerks. Sorry Google. Microsoft is not and unlike Google is actually fair.
27. blazee (Posts: 377; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
Yea that's why microsoft has been fined multiple times billions on dollars for unfair practices lol
28. snowgator (Posts: 3386; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Yep. And the British are laying unfair taxes on us in the US despite our lack of representation.
Oh, Wait!! My bad!! That is all ancient history too!!
You do know MS hasn't been in any kind of trouble since the last century, right? I mean... RIGHT?? You do know???
39. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Quit saying the same old thing over and over... How long ago was that?... Irrelevant!
29. snowgator (Posts: 3386; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
China is not going to stop this. It is just a delay. And if Google had a case, they would be fighting it here in the US.
I am still not sure what I think of this, I truly don't. But there is no way this leads to any kind of greater patent war because Nokia will still be an independant company and they will be keeping the VAST majority of those patents. MS gets nada of the important ones, if any. That is why this will go through.
40. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
I don't even think it's a delay... Just some BS... Just give me my MS made Lumia device already.... Either way it's still a Nokia Lumia device... F*** a name..
41. Muzhhur (Posts: 257; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)
So then Google is not so powerful after all...
44. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3682; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Wp fangirls never stop talking about their barbie dolls always bla bla lol.
52. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
How old are you?.. Your mind.. It's, its... How old are you again?
53. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
Google plays fair...they are being forced to change how they display search results in Europe. Google is known for displaying their sites as results and not as ads. Enjoy allowing Google to steal your identity. Yes Microsoft was charged with violating antitrust laws by bundling ie without offering other alternatives. On a good day Apple and Google does this everyday. Microsoft has done more for the customer than Apple and Google. You have been duped by Apple and Google to believe they care about you.
54. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
Here again if we just focus on this article about patent fees we can say Google has been the bad corporate neighbor by over charging for FRAND patents. It doesn't get any simpler than that.