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Samsung and Apple allowed to add products to lawsuit, such as the Apple iPhone 5 and the Samsung Galaxy S III

0. phoneArena 15 Nov 2012, 23:15 posted on

Both Apple and Samsung are being allowed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Paul Grewal, to add a number of new products to another Apple-Samsung patent suit; Samsung will be allowed to add the Apple iPhone 5 while Apple can add the Samsung Galaxy S III, the Samsung GALAXY Note 10.1 and the Android 4.1 OS...

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posted on 15 Nov 2012, 23:26 12

1. MeoCao (unregistered)


I think SS should not agree to trial by jury this time, ordinary people in the jury will act on their prejudice and Apple is US company, SS is not

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 03:31 6

20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Samsung wasn't well-served by their trial counsel in the lawsuit heard by judge Koh. They should have pursued a trial strategy based on invalidating Apple's patents. Google pursued an invalidity strategy in Oracle v. Google and cleaned Oracle's clock.

Where the company is based has very little impact on a jury in CA. San Jose has a very diverse jury pool. Texas or Arizona might be another matter, though.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 07:56 1

24. -box- (Posts: 3864; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Or perhaps somewhere in the midwest. There's less a sense of "gotta have it" for phones, as they're not used as frequently in public as on the coasts, and there's less walking around (like NYC where you walk or taxi everywhere), so they'lre less of a status symbol and more of a tool. Granted there's still a strong sense of patriotism, but also of fair play and justice, and presenting facts that apple doesn't manufacture in the US (Samsung does) and apple has a third party make all of its products in China (though I think Foxconn is building a factory in Brazil) would resonate with the jury members and remove any "home field advantage".
In theory, anyway.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 08:36

28. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1788; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


You've never been to the Midwest have you? I live here. While we may not have the population of the coasts, people are just as obsessed about mobile as anywhere else. Any store by the big 4 carriers is usually packed. I currently live in a town with a population of 1500, and the smartphone vs regular phones is around 50/50. I don't quite get the status symbol/tool comment. I am obsessed with mobile, because they are great tools. Currently I've got 3 smartphones, a tablet, & a couple laptops.

Sorry if I'm coming off as a d**k, but it bugs me when people say something about where I live that's untrue.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 08:48

30. -box- (Posts: 3864; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Born and raised here, only have left for short vacations.

I think your own personal perception is clouding your judgement.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 09:10 1

31. networkdood (Posts: 6310; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


I agree with Meo - the average American is clueless when it comes to tech.

posted on 15 Nov 2012, 23:26 11

2. Izzy_V (Posts: 216; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


Might as well have said "Samsung and apple allowed to add fuel to the fire". Samsung needs to win in order to make the tide turn in the consumers' favor. Losing will give apple another incentive to continue on its lawsuit rampage.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 00:01 5

9. StringCheese01 (Posts: 64; Member since: 27 Jan 2012)


I agree. UGH this is sooo stupid! It's just stifling innovation, hasn't all this suing and fighting been enough?

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 00:20 2

12. Bernoulli (Posts: 1500; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


Omg I almost literally rofl'd At your avatar lol

posted on 15 Nov 2012, 23:31 3

3. lilg29 (Posts: 89; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)


Oh god... just let me get my gs3 before you do anything stupid against the tyrant.

posted on 15 Nov 2012, 23:34 5

4. Nickmfnjackson (Posts: 101; Member since: 21 Jan 2010)


Forgot the products. They should just have specially selected warriors and said warriors should battle in an arena to the death over patent licenses.

posted on 15 Nov 2012, 23:38 9

5. maryaaadil (Posts: 146; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)


It is US only where sammy have lost big one
Elsewhere SS have won...

posted on 15 Nov 2012, 23:47 1

6. tiara6918 (Posts: 1500; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


Let's just hope for luck on samsung to win the case against apple otherwise big losses may happen to the company

posted on 15 Nov 2012, 23:55 1

7. app_droid_soft (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Sep 2012)


R.I.P samsung

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 03:31 2

19. hinz10 (Posts: 15; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)


In the US of A maybe, but in the rest of the real world it will never happen.

posted on 15 Nov 2012, 23:57 1

8. ghostnexus (Posts: 96; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


So much for innovation

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 00:02 9

10. blackspot (Posts: 102; Member since: 14 Nov 2012)


Thumbs down to Patent Wars & thumbs up to Innovation Wars!

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 00:17

11. Kronic (banned) (Posts: 321; Member since: 11 Sep 2012)


Both sides should sign a licensing agreement to put an end to litigation in the tech industry.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 02:35 4

17. someones4 (Posts: 619; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


No way. HTC did it because they are spineless. Samsung did nothing wrong and they have as much right as Apple to protect their intellectual properties.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 08:14

26. Aeires (unregistered)


They tried to do that but couldn't agree on pricing terms.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 00:22 7

13. Bernoulli (Posts: 1500; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


I don't see how in the least bit a shape can become a patent, Sony Ericsson for instance had the candy bar style with round corners, I know because I had a Walkman that was shaped like that long before the iphone came out

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 02:36 3

18. someones4 (Posts: 619; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


Money moves the world.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 08:02 1

25. -box- (Posts: 3864; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I could see how a truly unique shape (like those formed from mathematical equations not easily constructed) could be patentable, based on the creator/discoverer of such shape, but something generic like a flat slab with rounded edges has been done for millenia (Egyptians had them too, just saying) and there is sufficient prior art to invalidate it. It isn't unreasonable to patent the EXACT dimensions of a device, such that the originator of the EXACT design could go after copycat knock-off makers (KIRFs) if they tried to or did mimic the exact size & shape. Samsung's Galaxy Tabs have different aspect ratios and shapes to them, and while they are very very similar to the ipad (the chrome ring around the bezel especially) they're not an attempt to duplicate the ipad, so would not infringe.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 08:26

27. Bernoulli (Posts: 1500; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


True lol btw mate you didn't reply to me on the windows phone reply I gave you lol :)

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 08:47

29. -box- (Posts: 3864; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Oh, sorry, which article was that?

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 11:14

32. Bernoulli (Posts: 1500; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


Look At your notifications, it's been about an hour I said this one! And it's the one above it lol

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 00:36 4

14. phil2n (Posts: 476; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


here we go,
here we go,
here we go again!!!!!

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 00:54

15. blackspot (Posts: 102; Member since: 14 Nov 2012)


Lol! Yeah, this has been dragging on for some time now.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 01:15

16. MC1123 (Posts: 1247; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


oh no...here we go again!!!

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 03:53 2

21. dan86 (Posts: 298; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)


Apple is just frustrated. Jellybean is ages ahead of iOS.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 05:59 3

22. Aeires (unregistered)


If they have to reveal all the paperwork mentioned in the first trial, I'm willing to bet Apple will drop this lawsuit. Keeping their true profit information secret is worth more than $1 billion they won the first time. If you take into account Samsung will be allowed to use all their prior art, it's doubtful Apple will win, or if they do, they won't be getting as much this time at it. Keeping the public in the dark on how much they really overpay for iProducts is worth a lot more to their image and retaining loyal customers.

posted on 16 Nov 2012, 07:18 2

23. ronjr123 (Posts: 62; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Just hope SS doesn't use the same group of lawyers. If they do, hopefully they have learned their lesson. Jury foreman issues aside, I still think SS lost that last trial on their own.

One can only hope they would allow video cameras with live streaming! Of course Apple would never allow that.

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