Samsung also working on 'true octa-core' processor
0. phoneArena 30 Jul 2013, 06:25 posted on
A couple of days ago MediaTek announced it’s making the first ‘true octa-core’ processor, meaning that it will have a chip capable of having all eight processor cores…
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9. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5289; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Meh. More like a leak done to take attention back to Sammy. Expect more efforts at optimization of current architecture. GPU will see more cores added, though.
24. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2964; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
If this is true...then the last one was 'false' octa-core processor.
32. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5657; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
That's why I'm skiped 1-4GS, NOTE 1-3, for 2014 with 5.0 KEY LIME gs 5
3. twens (Posts: 447; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)
an 8 core gpu will be much needed. its time we get something close to consoles on tablets
30. Rehankhan (Posts: 323; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
which consoles the one that are 8 years old or the new ones? lol the new one can even blow high end pc out of the water
33. g2a5b0e (Posts: 1939; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
That's simply not true. The new consoles can compete. They're not "blowing anything out of the water".
35. Rehankhan (Posts: 323; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
yes they are blowing high end pcs for $399 what ps4 offer have you seen gameplay of The division,metal gear solid v,killzone shadow fall and watch dogs?
38. Birds (Posts: 927; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Dude the latest Nvidia GPU is 2.5 times as powerful as a the AMD GPU implemented by Sony. I don't know word for word but the new origin 13 inch laptop has this chip set as well. Combined with a quad core Ivybridge or haswell and you have a device with overall, 4 times the processing power of the latest gaming consoles.
39. g2a5b0e (Posts: 1939; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
You have no idea what you're talking about if you truly believe that. When console developers make games, they are finely tuning a game for one set of specs. PC developers can't just make games for highest end specs out there or they would be severely limiting who could buy their games. They have to dumb their games down enough to where people who have specs from 4-5 years ago or more can still play too. A PC game tuned to the highest set of specs out there would destroy anything the PS4 or X-Box One have to offer.
43. Rehankhan (Posts: 323; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
huh im talking about graphics i dont care if console developers tuning a game for one set of specs. and wait two or three years then you will see some awesome ps4 games just like when ps3 was released and no matter how powerfull your pc is but it cant play The division or MGS V or GTA V lol
46. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3661; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The Nvidia GTX Titan delivers up to 4.5 TFLOPS of performance, while the PS4 only gets up to 1.8.
Also, The Division is all but confirmed for PC release, Ubisoft would be stupid not to release it on PC with the response from the PC gaming community. A PC version of MGS V has already been confirmed to be in the works, and because of the petition for GTA V on the PC, it's all but confirmed as well.
47. Rehankhan (Posts: 323; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
again im not talking about all that gtx titan power im talking about how they optimize it and how many people do actually have gtx titan? lol have you seen the last of us ?if 8 year old hardware can produce that graphics i can see what console games will be in next 2 years and the division HAS not been confirmed for pc no official new nothing and what are you smoking mgs on pc? you must be dreaming same goes with gta v no official news for pc
48. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3661; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
It's not just the GTX Titan though. The graphics processor in the PS4 is a rough equivalent to the Radeon HD 7790 (about the same class as the GTX 560), and that's a VERY long ways away from high end gaming PCs.
I have seen TLOU, and it does look nice, but on PC it would look even better, that's my point. The hardware on these consoles is so far behind that developers need to dumb them down to run smoothly. Yes, you can play these games that look nice at a decent frame rate, but on even a mid range gaming PC you would get much better graphics at a better frame rate.
I never said The Division was confirmed, I said it was "all but confirmed," which means they haven't made official word on it but it's almost certainly going to happen.
As for MGS;
Kojima says that they ARE making it, it's just not the main priority, but it will come out on PC.
And for GTA V, Rockstar posted a job advert asking to "help bring our latest titles to the PC platform". Which obviously points to a GTA V release on PC. Source;
45. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3661; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Haha, definitely not. Any gaming PC that can be considered "high end" absolutely tears the Xbox One and PS4 apart.
4. rantao333 (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 May 2013)
another useless implementation from samsung.
even quad core is not fully utilize yet. better focus on single core performance.
20. nobelset (Posts: 265; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
It's called research and development. If they do make an octa core they can further improve on it and use it for later. Where's the harm in that?
22. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
ur wasting yo time explaining, some people r born stupid. They kno nothing about research and development. even whn something sounds useless, they will b a use for it in the future.
26. rd_nest (Posts: 606; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
What people here don't understand is that most workload in Android isn't multi-threaded to such extent. In all practical implications, quad core is more than enough. 'Heavy' items like browser is still dependent mostly on performance of single core.
BTW, there is nothing called "true" octa core. Even if big.LITTLE is implemented, it's still a octa core. A SOC with 8 cores is octa core. Doesn't matter how those cores are fired-up.
I would like to see a single app which makes use of 8 cores at same time.
5. _Bone_ (Posts: 2068; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
The new Exynos 5420 theoretically can run all 8 core simultaneously, but that's not expected to happen due to heat issues. Still, it's a true Octa-core per se.
10. tech2 (Posts: 1336; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Its stupid the big.LITTLE architecture makes more sense than a true octa core because hardly any apps use 4 core let alone 8 threads.
If they would go for something like 8 core they are most likely to launch it with A7s which are underpowered or on par with 4*Cortex A15
11. darkkjedii (Posts: 9330; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
How about a true Octa-core without the per se.
15. _Bone_ (Posts: 2068; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Doesn't make sense until proper multi-core support is implemented in Android, which isn't, so it's pointless.
17. Birds (Posts: 927; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Well if that is the case...Google, don't add support for it. You run the House of Android not Samsung.....
14. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5289; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Yeah. I would expect more efforts at optimization (smaller die size, faster clock rate, etc.).
6. pwnarena (Posts: 721; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)
samsung's ego was hurt by mediatek's "real 8-core" processor introduction.
must be really painful to miss being always first in everything.
27. rd_nest (Posts: 606; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Please understand what you talking about. Those are A7 cores. They are low power low performance cores.
Totally pointless. Even if it was 16-core SOC, that would still be pointless. Understand the Android workload properly before you comment. Majority of the workload is largely depend on "per core performance". There is absolutely no benefit of firing up more than 4 cores at same time. An argument can be made that, even a good dual core SOC is much better than a 8core A7 SOC.
A dual core 5250 is much better than this mediatek 8-core SOC.
7. Birds (Posts: 927; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Hopefully it'll come two years down the line because there is utterly no point considering software limits of the time. I hope Google can seriously put a wrench in Samsung rollout of stuff... Not to stop innovation, just to focus on the sweeter aspects of Android as an operating system and for developers to actually have time to optimize apps for the more powerful chipsets.
It feels like I post this comment on every Samsung article.
8. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
A story about a guy in Hong Kong his house burned down because Samsung Galaxy S4 exploded and thrown it under the sofa. I have Galaxy S4 it is very hot after 5 hours usage but not explode or burn. Any way never throw a burning device under or inside a fabric material furniture. The sink and toilet are best to put down fire.
It is sound like a made up story and you are in a very big trouble for lying to news medias and police.
12. aditya.k (Posts: 410; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)
Samsung gonna put 8 A15 cores. Battery empty in 1 hour! And if you charge your battery while gaming, even your neighbour's house will burn down! :D :P
13. aditya.k (Posts: 410; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)
Samsung gonna put 8 A15 cores. Battery empty in 1 hour! And if you charge your battery while gaming, even your neighbour's house will burn down! :D :P
19. wendygarett (unregistered)
Better than the bricked Nokia lol
23. tech2 (Posts: 1336; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
But still it would be one of the coolest processor around ! ;)
31. Birds (Posts: 927; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Finally Samsung did it...I can fry ham on my phone now...
37. Topcat488 (Posts: 1044; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
You are a TROLL... Shut-up lying... Samsung has the lowest SAR rating in the smartphone industry... So you hate Samsung and post that you hate them on many articles... "NOBODY CARES". Go outside and play.
51. Topcat488 (Posts: 1044; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
I've own 3 iphones (gave 2 away) and a imac. I haven't left Apple completely, but have switched to Samsung, as my main smartphone... Apples' iphone is just a Apps Launcher, and only make 1 phone a year! But i'm not a Fanboy of either. If HTC T6 looks good and have a stylus, i'll get it over the Note III.
42. Birds (Posts: 927; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
I hate Samsung but love their phones... Just like how I hate Apple but love iPhones.... I don't play favorites... I mean I like, HTC, Motorola, and Nokia but still I don't play favorites. Hell, I like LG more than I like Samsung, especially as of lately. Every OEM has their pros and cons but to me Samsung's cons and pros are balanced so I decide not to like them...the same with Apple... Do you want me to explain more? I have plenty of time...lol
52. Topcat488 (Posts: 1044; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
I apologize then for my post. Everyone has a right to their opinions. Peace.
18. jaytai0106 (Posts: 854; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
There is going to be a point that adding more cores to cpu is just pointless... Let's decrease the screen battery consumption first... I rather have a smartphone that can last me about 3 days in one charge than a smartphone has a overkill cpu...
21. Sondae (Posts: 181; Member since: 02 Jan 2013)
Hoping that using this 8cores has a lower power consumption, fast performance, lower heat and longer life.
25. yowanvista (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
A lot of misconception here. Firstly no Android application makes use of multithreading let alone none of them are optimized to take advantage of multiple cores (Blame of the Dalvik VM). You don't need all 8 cores active since it'll pretty much be a waste of battery juice with no performance improvements. Performance is not dependent on cores or clock speeds, it all comes down to the microarchitecture and IPC of the SoC/chip. One can add whatever number of cores to a SoC but if targeted OS doesn't properly harness the power of chip then it's useless.
Android executes so called 'byte-code' in a virtual machine (in contrast to iOS that runs native code) so there is an extra overhead for all Apps. Adding more cores doesn't offload this. It only helps to alleviate the problem but isn't a solution at all.
"simply raising the number of simultaneously active cores isn't going to be a silver bullet" - What would you prefer, 8 cores + horrible battery life or a combination of 8 cores used in a way that a proper performance-efficiency balance is ensured? Battery technology has barely evolved in the past few decades and those few recent advances haven't even made their way into consumer electronics so the industry is still stuck with inefficient battery cells that bottleneck smartphone performance. Manufacturers just keep increasing the capacities but this will only prove to be a useless solution in the long term run. More mAh will not save any device from getting low on battery within 1-2 days and there's a clear limit to what amount of Ions one can pack in those cells, sooner or later the need for newer battery technology will cause such a discrepancy that manufacturers would need to find alternatives.
Furthermore the traditional (and dated) Linux IKS (In Kernel Scheduler) wasn't even meant to be used with multiple cores. For that very purpose GTS (Global Task Scheduling) was created, it basically allows the scheduler to intelligently turn on any number of cores (up to 8) as per performance requirements thus there is minimal performance wastage compared to IKS. That's specifically what big.LITTLE MP does on the Exynos 5420, with this approach ALL of the big and LITTLE cores are available to the Linux kernel for scheduling tasks.
GTS couldn’t work with Exynos 5410 because Samsung only supported “Cluster Migration” in their SoC kernel due to the broken CCI-400 coherent bus interface that connects the two CPU modules to the rest of the SoC, so even IKS couldn't run in an optimal manner (at a A7/A15 CPU pair level). This isn't the case with the newly announced Exynos 5420, the latter supports GTS so all cores can be used.
Having an 8-core chip with IKS = waste of battery life + useless implementation + no significant performance gains on the software side.
28. rd_nest (Posts: 606; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Very good points..
Also to note that GTS support is built into kernel 3.10
34. flynfree (Posts: 373; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
How about quad core, 2 dual with Cortex A 7, and 2 dual Cortex A 15 arm's big, little architecture,
than those 8 core, that's too much for a handset phones. It makes no sense to me.
36. freebee269 (Posts: 498; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
this reminds me of the amd vs intel arguement. amd has 8 core cpu but it's per core architecture is not up to intel's quad core standard. which is one of the reasons why intel beats it in benchmarks. i would rather see per core performance increase in a quad core. i'd also like to see software optimization increase to utilize the core performance increase and better battery consumption.
49. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
C'Mon who needs octacore for uploading photos in facebook and g+ or reading comments from phonearena. Just remove the bloatwares from touchwiz and the quad-core will be fine
50. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2105; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
How many cores really needed to perform an operation? It should be optimized accordingly.