Samsung Hercules makes personal appearance at sponsored concert
0. phoneArena 05 Aug 2011, 14:22 posted on
At a Samsung/Telus concert on Thursday night, the rumored Samsung Galaxy S II variant for T-Mobile and Telus, the Samsung Hercules, made an appearance and even posed for pictures from adoring fans wanting an autograph...
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1. phone boy (unregistered)
haha first to post a comment. comment
2. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
i wonder how fast this APQ8060 REALLY is and if it'll be a match for the Exynos or even an OMAP4. it would be ironic as hell too if T-Mobile launched the Galaxy S II first.
8. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3043; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Well the "Lower end" yet still better than anything else that is out there phone aka Galaxy R or Z, whichever they call it. Gets a really nice score of 3500 on the benchmarks and is very fast and responsive on webpages much just like the older brother SGS2. I would expect this phone to get just as good, if not better scores and have better performance.
10. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
the Galaxy R uses a Tegra II which is still a fine processor but this is Qualcomm we're talking about here.
11. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3043; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I have good faith that this phone will be a beast. I think Samsung has done a hell of a job making their software match the hardware.
13. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ya, they make the exynos, of course they will match that well.. lol. the qualcomm processor is a whole other issue.
I hope your right rory, ive been itchin for some Exynos goodness, and im still holding out for official specs not 4 month old rumor specs... hopefully that chipset will change back to the big E. Otherwise Tmobile will be the only major carrier in europe and US using a non Exynos SGS2. and that would be a major BOOOOOOOO.
15. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Its just the new snapdragon with an adreno 220... booooooooooooooooooooo
17. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3043; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I know what you mean remixfa, I can't wait to see this phone in action. I really hope Samsung wouldn't risk screwing up their US SGS2 phones by underpowering them.
18. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if its really the snapdragon, im probably holding off until the nexus prime comes out. bunk that. if i wanted a sensation, id buy a sensation.. i want a GALAXY 2 DARN IT!!
37. markm2179 (unregistered)
The APQ8060 is the processor in the HP Touchpad.
3. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
hello thumper i was thinking the same thing... on the chip and the launching of the SGII..
5. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
that would be sweet!! hmm jus a bit doubtfull about the 4.5 in screen,?
7. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its barely bigger than the current SGS. there is much less bezel in the new phones.
6. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I havent heard squat about that processor. It better not be a big difference from the exynos, or imma cry. cry cry cry cry.
9. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
apparently it's the same one used in the HP Touchpad but too bad it's webOS so we can't get a real good grasp of how well it runs on something Android.
12. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
well, if Palm is using it.....
then that makes me even more worried.. lol
14. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3043; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
HP or Palm, really doesnt make a difference lol
16. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
anything i hear that has a processor with any Qualcomm architecture worries me. xD
19. chvys1069 (unregistered)
the samsungs all feel cheap and touchwiz is a isubmissive wanna be overlay, of awesome android.
20. luis_lopez_351 (Posts: 951; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
If i could sacrifice this phone to get better coverage i would, not in a bad way though.
27. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
rip out its still beating heart and then put it in a cage and slowly decend it into a pit of fire? Do you need 3 soul stones for that? :)
33. luis_lopez_351 (Posts: 951; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
THAT MADE NO SENSE WHATS SO EVER o.O GO BACK TO YOUR POETRY CLUB XD
36. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
luis, your an idiot.
that was the sacrifice scene from Indiana Jones & the temple of doom. Wow.
22. Steven99 (unregistered)
Why get this the end of Sept when you have Android's Ice Cream Sandwich coming out by the end of the year? Ice Cream will be optimized for Texas Instrument's OMAP 4 chips.
Don't get this phone people. You will regret it. You will have to wait months and months and probably by Summer 2012 to get the latest Android update. Wait for the Nexus Prime! It will come out towards the end of the year and will have Ice Cream pre installed.
23. Poor Guy (unregistered)
Can u guys tell me that SGS2 can be use instead of Iph? I mean the its functions n performance.
24. sgogeta4 (Posts: 393; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
It blows the iPhone out of the water in terms of functions and performance, though the apps make majority of the experience and that is about equal IMHO. Then again, we'll have to see what the iPhone 5 or 4GS brings to the table but in the end, I'd still give the edge to the SGS2.
25. ZelaDro (unregistered)
This will be a beast like the SGS2 cuz it can also be overclocked to 1.5 GHz each core, plus is supported T-mobiles (industrys fastest) real world 3G speed (4G lol) 42 Mb. Come on people Ice cream sandwich , if your hungry eat some food kids.lol Wake UP.
26. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Talking about CPU frequency (Clock Speed), ARM Cortex-A9 CPU already can run at 2Ghz. But I don't think that such SoCs like a Samsung's Exynos 4210 (a.k.a. Orion) or Nvidia's Tegra 2 can handle it.
28. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ARM Cortex A9 can, but if this is a snapdragon like the rumors suggest, its a Cortex A8 dual core...
and that would SUCK.
Rumors surrounding the galaxy3 say its supposed to be clocked up to 1.8ghz running an exynos dual or quad.
29. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
APQ8060 is Qualcomm's SoC which belongs to Snapdragon family. This SoC contains Scorpion CPU whose architecture is based on the ARM v7 instruction set. This CPU has many features similar to those of the ARM Cortex-A8, but it is NOT ARM Cortex-A8.
Such thing like a dual-core ARM Cortex-A8 doesn't exist!
30. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
oh, your right, my faux paux. it is armv7, not v8. Even LESS reason to get it if its true.. UGH.. why samsung why!?!?!?!?!?
if this is true, im so holding for the nexus prime. grrrrrr.. i been looking forward to this phone for the better part of a year, just to be thwarted by some stupid chip switch out in the end. grrr!!!!
31. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...it is armv7, not v8. Even LESS reason to get it if its true..."
There is no such architecture like ARMv8.
32. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Did worry about him. He is someone that just look at benchmark scores and that is all he see. Real life application is all I am worry about. The Photon 4g on sprint run on the Tegra 2 chip set and the Evo 3D run on the Snapdragon. I play with both and the 3D is faster on the transition from page to page. Even if it scores lower in the Benchmark. I have look at the Antutu score and the snapdragon score similar to the Exynos in the 3D section.
35. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
that's all overlay transition. my Droid 3 has a more updated overlay and it looks just as smooth as an EVO 3D but you get them running something like a 3D game or playing a flash video my Droid 3 will likely beat out an EVO 3D like 2 out of 3 times the only chance it would have is when the Droid 3 would run too much at the same time making it studder up because of it's 512MB of RAM.
38. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
not only benchmark, but real world and battery use. The DC snapdragon is barely more powerful than an EXT4 enabled single core Hummingbird, which is what I have. In fact bench marks are higher on my hummingbird than the Sensation for 3d scores. Exynos also beats the pants off snapdragon in battery usage in real world even as demonstrated by PA and their multi day use of the Galaxy2 without recharging it.
So yea, Im lookin at bench scores and battery use as well as real world use. Why would I want to "upgrade" to a new phone that has the same real world power as my current phone in all but a few cases? When I upgrade i want an UPGRADE.
For any GalaxyS users with the EXT4 fix, a Scorpion dual core is NOT a big step.. its a very small step, and actually a step back in 3d performance. The only real gain is the gains made by having 2 cores which is on things like page rendering on the web.
Not gonna pay another few hundred bux to load a page 3 seconds faster. not worth it.
40. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Look at Antutu score break down and the score are the same for the Evo 3d and the SGS2 in 3D graphic area. The sensation has a smaller battery then the SGS 2 1530 to 1650. So ya I hope that it do have a better battery life. Can you explain how in the world can my old Nexus s 4g got a higher score in the benchmark test but it take a longer time to run it? Just think about if I run both bench test at the same time, would the one that finish first did the calculation more effectively? None of the benchmark app are standard.
41. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
my score in the 3D graphic area 1244
The SGS2 top score a whooping 1249
That is a very big different there guy. And if you are talking a graphic it is all about the GPU not the CPU. CPU don't handle graphics.
42. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
If you want to talk about Benchmark scores and graphic then the Terga has the Exynos beat hands down in Antutu and in smartbench2011. So the exnyos is not looking as godly as you said it is.
LG star game scores is 2917
SGS 2 game scores is 2439
SGS game scores is 2891
The funny thing is the single core hummingbird score higher the the Exynos devices so I guess the one that is a step backward is the Exynos.
LG Optimus 2x 3D scores is 1467
SGS 2 3D graphics scores is 1249
So it look like the Tegra is King in the graphic. So tell me again what is so great about the Exynos chip set?
Like I said before benchmark scores don't mean much. I doubt you even use a duel core snapdragon devices for more then a day.
44. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can you link to that? From the sounds of it, it sounds like they are testing a pre-optimized exynos chip. All the tests run on the final versions have the exynos blasting both snapdragons and nvidia. Snapdragons are the weakest of the dual core chips by far.
Especially since by your own posting the SGS1 is beating the SGS2. Think about that.. lol
snapdragon < Tegra2 < Omap < Exynos
48. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Why did I need to link you on that because it is on the smartbench2011 app and the Antutu app. If you care to download the app you can see the score for yourself.
49. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
And I would like to see where your link for the scores that blasting both of them. Because the Antutu benchmark is the most up to date one and I use the scores for the person who have the top scores running SGS2 at 1688 mHz. Which mean he overclock it and the scores was still lower in the graphic department.
50. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
top scores are almost always heavily modified phones. You said yourself that the galaxy1 beat the galaxy2 in a benchmark, does that not strike you as odd?
I thought you were using an article that did STOCK speed tests.. lol. modified benchmarks dont mean anything as they are easily manipulated by different clock speeds, I/O settings, and a bunch of other things. Scorpion cores have always scored higher in I/O as they are built differently but always fail in 3d compared to the others. Find a stock test of all 4 chips
scorpion < tegra2 < omap4 < exynos.
it will look just like that, bet money.
51. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Guess what the scores I should was from a stock Evo 3D and the top scores was a non-stock SGS2 and it only got 5 more points. Then my own scores. How are you going to test duel core for graphic when the scorpion chip-set don't run at the same frequency. The duel core scorpion is not for game but better for battery.
You said the SGS2 have better battery life then the sensation. IT BETTER be
The SGS2 has a lower resolution screen with no back-lighting because it is a OLED screen and not a LCD. Has a larger battery 1650, and a UI that use less resource touchwiz 4.0 compare to sense 3.0.
But the talk time for the SGS2 is 8h 40min over 3G and the sensation is 8 hour and 15 min.
With all that the Exyno is not impressive at all.
52. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
here is a stock ranking of both phones before they were modded.
and here is a Head to Head from GSM arena..
amazingly the Exynos wins every test... running rings around the DC scorpion and even the Tegra 2.
53. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Exynos.. king of the Dual core processors.
56. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Exynos 4210 byitself is not a processor.
54. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Ya and Antutu and Smartbench tell me otherwise. I know the sensation is "bad" at game. But like I said before the Snapdragon run at different frequency. And my battery life for my Evo 3D will be the same as the SGS2 with a CDMA radio.
57. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the SGS2 has the best tested battery life of the android smart phones. Ask Phone Arena, they were amazed at its battery life which was better than advertised. DC Snapdragon phones cant even make it 5 hours at the store without being put back on a charger.
I dont know WHERE you keep getting your information but so far your wrong on every point.
Exynos is better in battery, graphix, capabilities, uses a newer archetecture, and is superior in just about every way.
Im glad you love your phone, there is nothing wrong with it, but that doesnt mean its the best.
55. ngo2dd (Posts: 822; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
I don't care how strong Exnyos chips is. It will not be use to replace my game device. The Sony Vita will have it beat hands down for the next couple of year. Because don't matter how strong the chip set is, it how well the coding for it is.
58. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Ok. You buy the Vita, ill buy an SGS2. We'll see who's happier 6 months later. :)
45. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
BTW, i own a tegra2 tablet and a hummingbird phone. I sell 2 phones that have the DC snapdragon chipset. And ya know what? neither one of them can make it through the day without having to be charged.. even with barely being used.
You invested in it, so I understand why you are defending them so hard.
If I wasnt coming from a hummingbird, it would be a step up.. but I am, so its not.
My galaxyS lost 45% battery over 22 hours and regular use yesterday. How's that snapdragon doin?
The GalaxyS2 can last even longer.
39. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
that was the point of me correcting myself to begin with. :)
34. dj (unregistered)
wow... what a ridiculous name for a cell phone. almost as bad as photon. once again, good job us carriers!
43. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...what a ridiculous name for a cell phone."
Agree, I don't like it too.
46. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they should use the pix of the guy that did the hercules tv show.. he was cooler. :)