Samsung Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab not getting ICS
0. phoneArena 23 Dec 2011, 02:38 posted on
Just recently, Samsung updated us on its Ice Cream Sandwich update schedule and which devices are getting it and to our great disappointment the Samsung Galaxy S and…
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1. Tatperson (Posts: 58; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
Capable phones not getting new android updates... Just like the Motorola Atrix 4g and Motorola Atrix 2...
4. Gemmol (Posts: 660; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
No need to jinx, I have one of the phones you just listed. I understand you being realistic, so I can not fault you for that. I hope what you say may not be true, but part of me would not mind, in my opinion 2.3 is a great OS, it gets what I need done daily and by time I am ready to update, I hope there would be a phone with a 1080p screens and a quad core chip inside.
13. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
Samsung explains why: ( I read on GSMarena. just sharing guys)
Both feature Samsung's TouchWiz customizations which run pretty deep (they include things like custom widgets, video calling and so on), and they also have country-specific customizations (like the ISDB-Tb Digital TV tuner for Brazil) along with carrier-mandated changes.
All those customizations will not run smoothly on the older hardware if ported to Ice Cream Sandwich, with limited RAM and ROM storage pointed out as problematic.
which sucks. they should have just removed touchwiz etc.
36. Retro-touch (Posts: 268; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Samsung treats users like whores. Just use and throw them away. Man I'm pissed it took me forever to save for my SGS!!
58. btbotimtim (Posts: 163; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
iphone 3gs got 2 upgrades from ios3.0 to 4.0 to 5.0. samsung also gave 2 upgrades from android 2.1 to 2.2 to 2.3.
U just don't realize it and just complain whenever you don't get what you think you deserve.
Try to understand other sides.
65. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Samsung screws 10 million consumers because of its software. Now Samsung has 10 million walking advertisements of why you shouldn't spend money on Samsung products. Even MicroSoft users don't have this problem.
7. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
What are you talking about? The Atrix got updated to Gingerbread and it and the Atrix 2 have undecided fates regarding ICS.
10. Tatperson (Posts: 58; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
Sorry if I sounded a bit negative, but I was quite dissapointed with the fact that Motorola didn't add the ATRIX and ATRIX 2 to the confirmed ICS upgradeable devices list.. but I must agree that 2.3.4 for the ATRIX is good.. only if we were given the 2.3.5 that comes with the RAZR and bionic..
11. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
The specs for the Atrix and Atrix II are high enough that ICS should be a give in. Although 2.3.4 may be good, I don't think it would be right for the phones not to get ICS. Especially the Atrix II which just released.
12. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Well, we're still not condemned to no ICS. As I recall the TI processors work better than the NVIDIA Tegra 2 with Android overall. I mean, the speed should be there, I'm just worried that the processor architecture may be incompatible.
Still, I'm not shouting doom and gloom yet. I think both phones stand a chance of getting ICS; I just hope that it happens on the same timetable as the updates for the Razr/Bionic/etc.
2. baldilocks (Posts: 608; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
Yeah, fragmentation and slow updates are the norm for Android. The only thing keeping more people with Android are the larger screens, cheaper phone selections and customization options.
45. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1705; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
The average user does not care about updates. I have an ICS rom on my EVO and (most) of my non-techy friends had no idea it even existed or even what versions of Android or iOS are even on their phone
48. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
just because they dont know it exists doesnt mean they wouldnt want it... i think it is pretty crappy of samsung to unsopport 1 year old phones before anybodys contract is even up... that is just sad of samsung
54. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1705; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
True, but I was referring to balds comment about what he thinks are the ONLY reasons people stay on Android which isn't at all true. I seriously doubt any average user looking at a new phone is going to say "I won't get the latest OS on this phone? Never mind, I don't want it."
63. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Bigger screen = more juice needed = shorter battery life.
Bigger screen = need for faster processor = more juice needed = shorter battery life.
Those bigger screens come at a cost.
74. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
u r right.. they just expect it.. and android does not deliever on that
3. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Ok, they cant just abandon the SGS, its got good enough graphics hardware to run ICS, and more then 10m people own the phone, so, they need to update the SGS. XDA probably wont abandon it but I thought it should at least get ICS officially...
No one really gives a damn about the original Galaxy Tab though...
47. SleepingOz (unregistered)
It's THAN, you stupid!
49. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Hey man, go troll somewhere else or get a life, no one cares about spelling mistakes, in case you haven't noticed
THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!
70. SleepingOz (unregistered)
So what when this is internet? Does this change the fact that you're a dumb who can't make any difference between then and than and who doesn't know when to use them correctly?
57. btbotimtim (Posts: 163; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
good thing about SGS is there are a lot of devs because the phone was so popular when it was released.
Samsung really gave 2 upgrades. it was released with 2.1 and now it is 2.3.
5. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Ok, they have to update the Infuse 4G, it was a great phone, before the SGSlls and the Vivid came the Infuse and the Atrix were the only decent options on AT&T, so the Infuse must be updated.
6. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
This is why I like HTC, unlike Samsung, their entire company focuses on mobile products, so they invest the most resources into making their software good and optimized, and their products bug-free,
32. Retro-touch (Posts: 268; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
The most annoying issue is that Sony Ericsson will be updating their phones that have identical specs to the SGS and Samsung claim they can't do it. F@#K Sammy and their useless reasons. 10 million people forked out good money and they can't support their coveted Galaxy phones that broke records for them. I'm already running ICS on my Captivate and its buttery smooth. Does that make the guys at XDA geniuses????
42. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
i dont think htc,moto or sony are going to be updating there 2010 models,so far they have only announced there 2011 models just like samsung,so they are all as bad as each other..all these manufactures number 1 priority is to put there skins on and if they cant get there skins on then they will not be updating.thats why we have the nexus phones cause we know they are likely to get the updates..if you get a skinned phone you should not be surprised if you dont get the update.thankfully we have xda where we can get unofficial stock ics for these unsupported devices which will be even better than if they had recieved offical ics with a skin on top...my guess is many people who come to these sites would probably put a custom rom with stock ics even if they had updated the galaxy s officially.
9. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Seriously? You're lamenting the fate of the original Galaxy S's software? Dude, the Captivate is a year and a half old now, and its cousins on the other carriers aren't far behind. Let's recap:
The first wave of Epic 4G users will be eligible for an upgrade starting June 31st this year.
The first Fascinate buyers will be eligible to upgrade starting May 8th.
The first Vibrant buyers will be eligible to upgrade starting May 21st.
Last, but not least, the first Captivate buyers will be eligible to upgrade starting March 18th.
Also, the 3GS may have iOS 5, but every single one of them turning up in customers' hands at my store is laggy as hell, and they're coming right out of the box displaying significant stuttering and lag. My nephew's Captivate may have Froyo still, but I'll be damned if it isn't almost as smooth as my Atrix. I'd really much rather have him keep a non frustrating user experience than get a few new features at the cost of nearly killing his phone.
I mean, a couple of the killer features on ICS aren't even possible to use on the original SGS series, like Face Unlock and Hangouts.
Also, the fragmentation problem won't increase. App compatibility will largely stay the same for the SGS series; sure, the next wave of high end games will run like s**t on them, but apps are being updated to run well on ICS AS WELL AS the other versions of Android out there.
In short: the SGS is on its way out (especially as other, newer phone models are being sold for free) and will be almost completely retired this time next year, and its capability will not be reduced in the meantime by a lack of ICS update.
15. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
You make a lot of really good points, but I'm sure you can understand the disappointment of some of the users. You mentioned above the first wave of users, but May - July is a long way to wait. I know a few people who bought their phones a little bit later and now will have to wait to fall/winter 2012 to get a new phone. Of course some good features on ICS won't be compatible with older models, but there are features that are compatible.
Phones like the Atrix 4G and Atrix II shouldn't have undecided fates. It should be a give in that they're going to updated.
16. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I agree that it's frustrating that Motorola still hasn't announced which phones they're upgrading to ICS; however, they never really did announce such information before pushing soak tests to customers before. Which, again, is frustrating, but it's really a business strategy they're following: better to underpromise and overdeliver.
Think about it: what if Motorola says "Yes, we're updating the Atrix to ICS!" Then, during testing, they realize that ICS will absolutely murder the battery, slow the phone down to s**t, and has a host of bugs which can't be reconciled with the other included software and hardware. Now they suddenly have to A) work on a solution to introduce a bug free/neutered version of ICS, or B) announce that they can't update the phone after all.
I mean, look at the Bionic debacle. As someone who's been in a similar position to Motorola before regarding promises and such to customers, I forgave them when they had to delay and redesign their phone so it wouldn't have a 2 hour battery life/overheat on people. I preferred that they put out a product that works-and it pretty much has. However, more and more people cried for blood as the Bionic got pushed back, and then it was finally released-and overshadowed completely by the RAZR.
I actually suspect that the people crying for the BIONIC to be released ASAP killed their own experience. If the outcry to "GIVE US OUR BIONIC NAO!!!" hadn't been so bad, they may have simply shelved it completely and then announced the RAZR as a replacement, or rebadged the RAZR as the Bionic. However, people demanded the Bionic, and they got the Bionic. And then Motorola released the RAZR, because as a company it would've been suicide to let the Bionic be the best phone they released in 2011.
So for Motorola it's basically a situation of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." I prefer they don't promise me anything; that way I'm not disappointed if they can't deliver.
As for the SGS, I think the main issue is that Samsung would have to make serious compromises to get ICS to work on all the original variants. The phones were designed almost 2 years ago, they were never intended to run ICS. I'm not saying it's impossible, but for Samsung the liability is too great if the update is screwed up. The Nexus S update has already been delayed indefinitely because enough users were experiencing issues with it, and hell, it's less than a year old.
Bottom line: if Samsung can't get the update to work with the user experience it already set up on the original SGS series, then I think nixing any update for it is the smart route to take.
19. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
You are probably right about the SGS thing, but with Moto's deal, I think they were just trying to get the Bionic off their neck to focus their full resources on the RAZR. There are a huge number of disappointed Bionic users that wished they had waited for the Razr, Nexus or Rezound.
They should have definitely made the Razr and announced it as the Bionic, then customers would have been more forgiving of the fact that Moto delayed the Bionic for around 10 months.
20. Sniggly (Posts: 7291; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I think the problem started with Verizon, honestly. We all know that carriers are king in this country. Motorola had the Atrix wrapped and ready, and except for the Bionic, we only saw minor refreshes of other phone lines on Verizon. Verizon probably demanded an Atrix equivalent for CES with an announced launch period not far behind the Atrix. I mean, look at the original Bionic design; except for the bigger screen, it's pretty much a Bionic clone.
I mean, this is all speculation, but I'm convinced Verizon just forced Motorola to try to pull off a phone in way less time than should have been allowed. Then what Motorola whipped up was so (understandably) full of issues that Verizon had to grant them more time. But by then the damage had been done, so they felt they had to release a phone called "Bionic" no matter what it was.
The Bionic is not a bad phone by any right. It just didn't scream "SUPERPHONE" like the Razr does. I don't know, maybe I do give Moto too much leeway.
21. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I think you really are giving Motorola a little too much leeway.
"Motorola is easily one of the worst. Since May, Motorola and Verizon together have launched four nearly identical DROIDs: DROID X2, DROID 3, DROID BIONIC and DROID RAZR. As if that weren't enough, there are two more on their way in the not too distant future, the DROID 4 and DROID RAZR Maxx. Samsung isn't much better about fire hosing phones...." - phonedog
The onslaught of phones is not an accident. Android manufacturers know exactly what they're doing. And its working.
34. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
The thing is though, those four droids are not even close to nearly identical.
Yes, they are all Motorola. Yes, they are all "droids".
Droid X2: Large screen option for those who don't want/need LTE.
Droid 3: Medium screen size with keyboard for those who don't want/need LTE.
Droid Bionic: Large screen option with removable battery and LTE.
Droid RAZR: Large screen option with smallest size, no removable battery and LTE.
They are all definitely similar, but that's the beauty of Android. We have options. I'm not bashing Apple because there aren't options but that's the EXACT reason I love Android phones... I get to decide what I want.
50. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Of course they aren't identical, but they are extremely similar. I mean come on. Razr Maxx? They could have gotten away with three devices. Why would anyone chose the Bionic over the Razr? What's the benefit of having the Droid X2? Imagine if every manufacturer was as bad as this (it probably will in the near future). You'd have 15-20 devices of basically the same thing on the same carrier. And the problem with some many phones is that they run into trouble updating them because there are so many!! Definitely not effective
HTC says that in the future they plan on releasing one flagship handset once every 6 months. I think that's a smart move.
28. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Although the Razr has been critically acclaimed and wanted by many people, Moto still got quite a franchise out of the bionic which I read has solde approx. 14 million units, now thats close to the Thunderbolt so it has been pretty successful, to this day Moto has popped off about 4 million Razrs so both the Bionic and the Razr did well financially.
51. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
yes and now there are a lot of really pissed bionic owners. The Droid Bionic was suppose to be the flagship device. I'm sure those users aren't happy when they see all those razr commercials that's always airing on tv and in the internet.
35. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Alright, Imma hop in this one.
As an owner of an SGS1 variant.. AKA the Vibrant.
Im RUNNING ICS right now!! :)
Isnt XDA Grand?
Look, if samsung wants to play the update game again, then its on them. The Vibrant is running ICS flawlessly right now. ive pushed it to quadrants over 3100... which for a 2 year old single core phone, is amazing. The crapdragon S3 can barely do that with tweaking.
Samsung still hasnt given us official 2.3 on the vibrant like they promised 8 months ago, so its not really "dissapointing" to be officially dumped from ICS as much as it is "par for the course".
And its not because the phone isnt capable of it.. like i said, im running it right now... its because most vibrant owners are coming up on their 2 year contracts. Why give em the milk when u can convince them to buy the cow? Everyone complains that samsung copys apple.. why wouldnt they copy bad business strategies as well? :)
43. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Well people still purchase the SGS variants right now, its alright if you got the thing 20 months ago, but its still worth updating considering a LOT of people bought that phone
62. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
when YOU buy it makes no difference. You dont get a special voucher for when you buy it that says "garunteed upgrades for 2 years from purchase date"
in fact, it doesnt say guaranteed upgrades at all. You buy a phone for what it has on it when you buy it. not for what might one day come down the pipe. The only expectation you should ever have is for bug fixes.
64. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Yes but the various SGS variants were still being marketed as super high-end devices until around February this year and if some1 non tech-savvy got it around that time thinking it was a future proof they would be disappointed it would not get the update.
67. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
again, it doesnt make a difference when its bought. period. no matter how its marketed.
its marketed for that moment.. right when you buy it. its not marketed for future updates that may or may not happen.
Again, you never buy a phone for a future update other than bux fixes. either love it the way it is out of the box or get something else.
46. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
you make perfect sense. +1 for you
33. Retro-touch (Posts: 268; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
That's if you buy phones on contract what about people who pay the full retail value for their phones. If your on contract, fine and good it seems reasonable but if you used your hard earned money and some douche decides not to update so you can upgrade, would that seem reasonable then? If the guys at XDA can make smooth ROMS why can't Samsung do the same on their official releases. I have never run stock software on my Captivate and wouldn't want to, I'm in Africa I get no benefit from anything official. Check out:
If some guys can do that in their spare time, why can't Samsung with their billion dollar company manage the same feat? Custom overlays are useless and simply slow updates and put in useless extras that aren't necessary, I've used most of them; Sense, Touchwiz, Motoblur and they don't add much except to screw people up when an update is there. Face unlock and Hangouts can be omitted and the original SGS can use face unlock! Don't know whether Americans know anything beyond their borders but what happens in your strore isn't the experience of the rest of the world.
14. saeen (Posts: 19; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Hmm, where's Apple store? I'm going to buy iPhone 4S.
18. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
For once I think LG has played their cards better then samsung, they only released 3 major smartphones knowing they can update them all
If LG can update the Optimus Black to ICS then Samsung can most certainly update the SGS.
23. jibraihimi (Posts: 718; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
If touch wiz optimization is issue and reason for not upgrading SGS to ICS then Sammy, please do one thing, remove touch wiz from the ICS update for SGS, and release the ICS update for SGS without the touchwiz............. Because if Nexus S can get it, optimus black can get it, an every single core xperia mobiles can get ICS then why not SGS.............. Sammy don't forget SGS was the phone which really made people notice you as good smartphone making company...... So don't let the adopters of SGS down, and please release official ICS ROM for SGS, without touchwiz.........
24. israelian (Posts: 12; Member since: 15 Dec 2011)
Sony Ericsson Xperia Live Walkman and Mini which are way too inferior hardware than Galaxy S will get an ICS update.
Bad excuses samsung!!! Nice try though.
26. jdh4455 (Posts: 2; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
thats why i will be going to windows phone...all handsets get all the updates...samsung sucks
27. bbblader (Posts: 588; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
hahahahah i am so laughing my ass of because my friend is here and he has an SGS lololol
he has Android 2.3 on his SGS and sadly his prossecor will still overheat and his bettery will fall like a fat man from a 30 story building
and i will just chill here with my iPh..... lol you thought that i have that iPhone... yea right
i currently own a Nokia N8 and N9
29. bloodline (Posts: 704; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
IOS is more fragmentated than android
30. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
I also fail to understand why the GSI is not getting ICS. I believe it would handle ICS in terms of RAM hardware, etc. And 2 cores have proven not to be a system requirement. 1 core clocking at 1GHz is also not a minimum requirement as a lot of other 800MHz phones are getting ICS.
Samsung just wants to sell their current offerings... Which is not fair to early adopters
31. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
this sucks, comparable HTC models are getting it.. soo sad..
38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
theres an HTC model with a hummingbird and powerVR set up? Amazing!
37. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
"This only confirms fears about even further fragmentation on Android with ICS. The new version was supposed to fix the issue, and it’s very disappointing to see a very powerful handset like the Galaxy S be left in the gutter so soon."
Umm.. ICS is to fix the issues going FORWARD, not backward. We all know there are some good handsets that are going to be left in the dust and a lot of cheap crap as well. The SGS is more than capable of getting ICS but its not the end of the world.
A phone is not less awesome because it doesnt get an update. If it was awesome before an update, then its still awesome after the update. People get too nutty about updates that they have no idea what it does.. they just want it because its an update.
39. Retro-touch (Posts: 268; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Well I'm using ICS and I know it works way better and smoother than gingerbread so I want it. Actually the reason I want it is so a better version can be provided on XDA but still is it too much to ask for vanilla android, they won't lose customers for doing it. The 3GS still selling isn't hurting Apple!!!???
40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
relax. When the version for the NexusS hits the wild, we will have everything we need for our developers to make a proper ICS rom for the SGS series. It IS the same phone after all. The roms now are just missing some samsung drivers that the nexusS will provide us.
iphone users dont get fanatical about updates like android users do. Most iphone users barely know how to use their phone much less try to install cydia or figure out what version they are running.