Samsung Galaxy Prevail leads the way for Samsung in the U.S. from June 2010-2012
0. phoneArena 09 Aug 2012, 22:35 posted on
Thanks to the Apple v. Samsung patent trial, we get to learn financial information directly from the source; the information introduced in the trial by Samsung shows that the biggest seller in the U.S. for Samsung from June 2010-June 2012 in terms of units was the Samsung Galaxy Prevail...
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1. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
if you remove band naming Samsung Big Guns are doing rather good, Documents seem far better than what I had expected to see, so much for that low end being over 70% theory
2. CapedCrusaderRobin (Posts: 31; Member since: 19 Dec 2010)
Best selling boost phone at radioshack ever, had to have at least activate 3-5 of those handsets daily !
5. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
I've talked so many people out of that handset.. it's one of the worst Android phones ever next to the Intercept and the Warp lol! Id rather recommend the Evo Design or the LG Marquee.
10. fur0n (Posts: 69; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)
hey i have a marquee. anyone want to buy it? i upgraded to a sgs3
37. CapedCrusaderRobin (Posts: 31; Member since: 19 Dec 2010)
the intercept was crap, honestly way more crappier than the prevail, i cant believe the intercept still exists on virgin mobile. how that phone is still on the market is beyond me.
6. OSFantasma (Posts: 119; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)
Yeah i was there when we started selling this phone and it sold like fresh baked bread.
3. CommentBoxEnforcer (Posts: 99; Member since: 13 Feb 2012)
I bought a prevail..flashed my evo to boost and now have unlimited EVERYTHING (including mobile hotspot) for 50 a month
4. Allen3697 (Posts: 86; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
I love this trial. Getting so much interesting info!
7. wendygarett (unregistered)
WTF!!! I never thought of that Apple manage to sell 85millions of iPhone O.O!!!
9. -box- (Posts: 3977; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Keep in mind how many thousands/millions of those were warranty replacements and possibly refurbished sales... Plus most were likely to repeat customers who were tricked and then trapped in the "walled garden"
12. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
-box-: your post is nothing more than sour grapes. Apple's iPhone has very high satisfaction ratings, which you yet again overlooked.
11. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
I was RIGHT and remixfa and all the other android fan boys got it wrong.
I have been stating for a long time the best selling Samsung smartphone in the US was a low-end phone you can get at Walmart while remixfa and company kept arguing the best selling Samsung smartphone in the US was a highend phone.
I couldn't provide this without this confidential data. Thank you Samsung for showing again that android fanboys like to make things up.
13. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1387; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Actually you are WRONG and remixfa and all the other fanboys are right.
For two things:
1) The most selling Samsung smartphone in the US is the Samsung Galaxy SII (more than 4 millions adding all different carriers). The fact that the carriers are giving it different names it's just a question of marketing.
2) You NEVER said that the best selling smartphone was a low end. What you said is that MOST of the Samsung smaphones sold in the US were low end ones. If you do the math from the data provided:
More than 15 out of 21 millions of the handsets are (or where at the time) high ends.
In fact the Galaxy Prevail is one of the few low end phones in the list.
15. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Define high end handsets? 10 of the 18 handsets they show are low end, then its mostly just one variant of the Galaxy S2.
Considering the fact that the actual carriers push for Android over iPhone do to cost, this isn't even that impressive for sales figures. Don't get me wrong the Galaxy S2 (until you update it to ICS) is a very good phone.
By the way it should be the highest sold lineup considering there are only a billion different versions of the Galaxy S2.
16. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
To stem this argument further, would Samsung be competitive in the sales market without all of the low end phones? Picture this, the iPhone 5 comes out in September, all of a sudden the iPhone 4 is free on all postpaid networks, then they lower the price to no contract to $399.99 (for carriers such as Virgin Mobile and Cricket). Would Samsung lose a big chunk of sales? Imagine there are NO low end devices. Just the Galaxy lineup.. They'd look small against Apple then. The only difference now is that Apple refuses to make garbage low end handsets and Samsung will gladly sell them to the populous.
17. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1387; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Let´s play the same game: define low end handsets?
Most of the lineup has 5MPx cameras or over and 1 GHz processors or over, which at the time they were sold were medium or high end handsets.
If you look just in 2012 the most sold one is pretty much the S2.
As for taking the S2 as a "lineup" you would be right if all S2 models sold in all carriers, but as it´s not the case and each carrier sells just one S2 model then you can consider them as one smartphone.
Do you consider the iphone 4S 16 GB a different model than the 4S 32 GB?
18. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Just 1 Galaxy S2 per carrier? Im confused, at&t has the Galaxy S2, the Skyrocket, and the Exhibit.
And yes I do consider those low end. They weren't a competitive manufacturer when those handsets came out. HTC or Motorola were making higher ended devices.
19. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1387; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Then using your same criteria: as the iphone 4 has a 1 GHz processor and a camera with 5 MPx, Apple has not sold but low end phones since 2010 till October 2011, right? Or do you use a different criteria for Apple?
And that HTC or Motorola were making higher devices is just a matter of opinion. Both make devices that feel more "premium", but at the end the specs were the same or inferior to many of those models.
26. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
You're wrong, AT&T only has the S2 4G and Skyrocket for S2 variants. S2 being a 4G device. Exhibit is T-Mobile and just so you know, Exhibit is considered the 4G variant for S and W. I don't think you could blame Samsung for trying to keep the customers up to date on the latest technology that carrier has.
Not to mention S2 variant or not was a dual core than came out before 4S. Hardware spec wise, everything was better than 4S. If you consider S2 to be a low end phone, then 4S will have to be lower than low end on the hardware side when compared to S2. Of course, you wouldn't think that way since you're an Apple worshipper.
Samsung Galaxy Note isn't even mentioned yet.... but just in case you didn't know... 1.4 dual core... 4S, 800mhz dual core. Funny how your high end phone has a lower hardware spec than low end phone.
34. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
@gwuhua1984 my bad! I meant Exhilerate! Not exhibit.
@TylerGrunter a 1GHZ Processor on Apple runs much faster than a 1GHZ Processor on Android. If you care to argue, feel free to, however the iPhones don't run all of the garbage on the background that Android does! Not to mention you could have 2 different 5 MP Camera's and one can look way better than the other!
Back to the processor argument, running 1GHZ on Android is like driving a Ford Mustang carrying an Anchor weighing an extra ton, whereas the iPhone is like driving that same Ford Mustang with nothing weighing it down!
35. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
your first paragraph is incorrect. Iphones and Android phones run the exact same processor (A4/hummingbird in i4/SGS1 and A5/Exynos in 4s/SGS2). The performance minus the GPU difference is the same. The only percieved differences are from how the OS uses the chip.
iOS's "smoothness" has always come from the fact that iOS is programmed to make transition animations the #1 priority on the phone. so no matter what your doing, if you do something to start a transition animation it will stop/reduce what your doing and give all available horsepower to the transition. Depending on what your doing, that can slow things down quite a bit for actual USE of the phone.. but hey, it looks pretty, right?
On android there is no priority given to animations over functionality, it all gets the same priority, which is why animations USED to look jerky on Android. Android doesnt "stop everything else" like iOS does to make a pretty animation. Everything continues to multitask together. iOS will only allow multitasking with transitions if there is enough processing power left over after the transition gets all it needs.
So its really an arguement over "do you prize getting it all done", or "do you prize it looking pretty though it takes longer".
And really, that argument is long dead. It's been dead for quite a while. Android 4.0 is damn smooth, multitasks like a beast, and is faster at most everything at the same time, compared to iOS. Android 4.1 just makes that gap even wider and more smooth with the "project butter".
So no, Android is like driving a Shelby Mustang wide open on a drag strip while using voice activated blutooth to call someone, while tuning the radio, while your girlfriend gives you a good time. iOS is like driving a Mustang V8 down the same road, but in order to call someone you have to slow down to 20mph or less, and the same goes for every other action. That action might be "smooth", but your forced to brake every time. Thus by the end of the drag strip not only has Android out done you in base power, its also obliterated you in time needed to accomplish tasks... and now it does it while being just as "smooth" if not "more smooth" considering some of the frame slow down tests out there.
Its a win win for android, but neither are "bad" anymore when it comes to that stuff.
20. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
WONG! Ive calculated 13 out of 18 that either are or where considered high end android phones, Im making a chart about it
24. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
and there are no 18 that chart has 24 phones
27. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1387; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Thanks protozeloz, that was all my point and I did the calculation with it. But I thought people can add up and there was no need to make a chart for it!
Acturally you save me the time because I was on the verge to do it!
22. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Well I went trough the trouble of making this chart just to prove them wrong
29. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
just wait until the S3 sales enter those charts. Its going to push the high/low end %s even further towards high end dominance. Ardent doesnt have a point. He just has attitude.
Thanks for calling out Remix, and then being proven wrong by everyone else. If he were here, I bet he'd have a good day with that crazed statement.
25. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
You're making it sound as if you can't get an iPhone from Walmart.
28. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
no, you were wrong as usual.
As an individual carrier device, yea, its the highest selling. But you must group all S1's together, all S2's together, and such. Just because it has a different name on a different carrier doesnt make it a different phone. When you do PROPER math, the S1 and S2 make up the vast majority of sales. Also the vast majority of sales are TOP END not cheap. Your wrong. Look at the data correctly.
39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
It's amazing how much you call me out when you KNOW I cant answer. Too bad you're incorrect.. lol.
Thanks to all the people that already corrected this poor guy. It must be hard to take up Taco's slack of slander and calling people out with misinformation.
14. PhoneCritic (Posts: 474; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
sorry Ardent1 you lose on that one what TylerGrunter said is a fact as far as I can see.
21. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Halted blinds the eye, so what you see seems not evident despite being there
23. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I took my time and created a chart (http://goo.gl/S4pgr ) I can make mistakes in here just point them and I'll recheck and fix them
30. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
what I find interesting is how much more the S1 sold compared to the S2. I realize its been on sale for over 2 years now with its different variants (vibrant, galaxy 4g, ect), but still.. you would think it would be more "even" at least.
31. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Nah I was expecting those numbers, by the time the PS2 has 2 years it would sell more than what the s did on the same time frame. Plus honestly the S3 took some glory from the s2 as it was released in an earlier time frame (S2 was released on summer last year in the states )
32. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
very true statements indeed. Point taken. :)
38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
thanks for holding this joint down while I was gone. :)