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Samsung Galaxy Note 3 benchmarks: is Samsung really cheating?

0. phoneArena 09 Oct 2013, 12:20 posted on

Synthetic benchmarks, as unreliable as they can be sometimes, are handy little tools we often use to test a given smartphone's performance. Their results allow us to stack up most handsets against their contenders and see which one of them is, theoretically, the fastest. That is why we test each smartphone we review, from those cheapo entry-level handsets to the top-of-the-line flagships. And naturally, now that the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 has materialized in retail form, it is time for us to give it the benchmark treatment. It comes with Qualcomm's best SoC so far, namely the Snapdragon 800 packing four Krait 400 cores that can sprint at up to 2.3GHz, a 450MHz Adreno 330 GPU, and a whopping 3GB of RAM has been thrown in for good measure. Needless to say, our expectations are set pretty high...

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posted on 09 Oct 2013, 12:24 20

1. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)


If Samsungs cheating LG must be doing tons of steroids + cheating.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 14:20 7

39. rd_nest (Posts: 1605; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


^^ My reply not meant for you. But PA in general.

Phonearena should first explain why are the using 4rd class benchmarks like quadrant, antutu? Why use vellamo when you know that this was developed by Qualcomm?

I challenge them to explain what these numbers mean. My question to them is to explain what does 25,000 on Antutu means in terms of benchmark? Everyone can tell what exactly it means by when someone says on-screen fill rate in GFXbench.

Why keep using these GARBAGE benchmarks which gives you an arbitrary number and explains nothing about it's significance? Even if someone "optimizes" for Sunspider, it still makes some sense, but some of these benchmarks are plain useless.

BTW, if a benchmark doesn't not push the CPU and GPU to 100% utilization, I consider that useless. It's like performing benchmark at 50% efficiency. What's the point of a benchmarking tool if it doesn't saturate the hardware??

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 16:03 6

54. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


"My reply [is] not meant for you.."

Then why'd you click the reply button?

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 20:41 6

80. heyhi (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Feb 2013)


cuz i think he wanted to catch PA's attention, posting his message at the beggining is easier to everyone read it
usually when there are a lot of messages, some users dont read till the bottom or next page(s).

posted on 10 Oct 2013, 15:59

90. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


It was more a rhetorical question, but whatever.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 14:22 6

40. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Hey it's not cheating if you don't get caught.....

Ohh wait, they did get caught.... right?!? lol

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 17:58 2

70. sharks (Posts: 236; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)


Nope. The G2's Snapdragon 800 SoC is actually slightly over-clocked. This means that its hardware is perfectly capable of delivering better performance relative to the stock SoC on the Note 3 and Z1.

posted on 10 Oct 2013, 08:33 1

89. Mittal (Posts: 493; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


Obviously you think LG is some kind of an inferior company and that they are nothing but desperate copycats/cheats whose products nobody wants...
Any facts to support your feelings or are you just blabbering nonsense ?

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 12:26 34

2. _Bone_ (Posts: 2155; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


If you understand what benchmarking means, then no, they are not cheating - benchmarks merely measure the HARDWARE MAXIMUM without telling much about daily usage. You see 90% of your daily apps don't use peak frequencies in order to save battery, it's called OPTIMIZATION, and it WORKS, as your Note is a battery champion.

What Sammy and others do, is letting benchmarks do what they are supposed to: have access to the hardware maximum and show practically useless numbers, but show them as far as the CPU and GPU can go, and that's what the Note III allows.. The "cheating" is optimizing every other app, but I don't feel cheated when I get two full days of usage. I feel blessed.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 12:39 2

6. AstronautJones (Posts: 303; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)


True.

These phones with the same processor and OS
should all be close enough it doesnt really matter anyway, right? More about the end user experience with custom software, ie Touchwiz.

Matter of preference IMHO

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 12:40 8

7. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)


Samsung cheats. Other manufacturers cheat too. Apple doesn't and still sets the benchmarks. Buy iPhones, be happy.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 13:02 12

15. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


baaaaaaa go graze

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 13:08 15

16. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I wouldn't buy an iPhone simply because I care about battery life. Note 3 = two full days on a single charge. Thanks but no thanks. :)

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 15:18 1

44. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


Tablet. Enjoy stretched pockets or your man-purse.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 15:32 8

47. Pancholo (Posts: 380; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


You probably need to stop wearing tight, skinny jeans if that's your only reasoning. My pockets are A-OK.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 15:41

51. GeekyGene (Posts: 88; Member since: 25 Aug 2013)


Man purse lol. That actually made me spit out laughing XD thanks.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 17:12 7

66. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Fits perfectly in my pants thank you very much. Once a hater always a hater.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 15:34 2

48. papss (unregistered)


Yeah my battery life has been great on my note 3. Note two days but a good day and half.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 13:12 17

19. kamejoko (Posts: 211; Member since: 10 Nov 2011)


How do you know apple doesn't cheat? If apple cheated, you don't have any tool to know it and can not access to source ios to see it.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 13:31

27. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)


The only way to know will be if someone gets android 100% ported to the iphone, people have tried it is extremely hard but possible.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 13:12 20

20. tedkord (Posts: 12207; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


We have no idea if Apple "cheats", since we can't examine the source to see what they do.

Regardless, I am much happier with my GS3 than I ever could be with a limited device like the iPhone.

posted on 11 Oct 2013, 19:27

91. ncarlosmiguel (Posts: 206; Member since: 14 May 2013)


I'm also annoyed on how my GS3 fits in my pocket but I wouldn't trade it for an iphone. Maybe I'll just buy moto x or droid mini for my next phone for pocket and one hand use issues. Android all the way.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 15:14 2

43. dratomic (Posts: 483; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)


in real life scenarios more people like freedom (file manager and ...) which windows os gives them on their mobiles. and this was available by symbian then and android now. I personally would never think of buying an iphone when there is no system wide file manager and file transfer by bluetooth or wifi direct or... no matter how great user experience is. I don't count it in the same group with android cause it needs a pc (or mac) to be fully operational. so iphone (and ios) would never make me happy. :)

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 16:06

56. papss (unregistered)


I agree with most of what you said but one part... i don't agree that most people want file manager..hell most consumers have no idea what file manager is.

posted on 29 Nov 2015, 23:07

94. bluekoi (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Nov 2015)


Windows is crap, and their phones are worse

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 12:41 3

8. SleepingOz (unregistered)


You've said it all but then, fanboys and haters are too biased to acknowledge this.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 13:00 6

13. Pancholo (Posts: 380; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Fangirls gonna hate.

After all, they are merely making the benchmark's job easier, right? If Apple did it, it'd be OK.

I don't care who does it; it'd make sense anyway. Every other product out there shows you (generally) their maximum output when it comes to performance.

Oh well - Can't stop people from taking a grain of salt and turning it into their biggest problem in life.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 13:25

24. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


benchmarking present participle of bench·mark (Verb)
Verb
Evaluate or check (something) by comparison with a standard
google it

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 14:46 2

42. blazee (Posts: 412; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)


Those are fake numbers bc their hardware doesn't operate at that level on ANYTHING else but WHITELISTED BENCHMARK tests. So yea you will have a great device that is a killer at only POPULAR benchmarks lol but nothing else. And not all manufacturers do it. Motorola, nexus drives and apple doesn't. F#ck it I love android but I'm not gonna let some manufacturers spit at me and tell me its rain.

posted on 09 Oct 2013, 15:29 2

45. Pancholo (Posts: 380; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Just play the same graphically-intensive game across devices and come back with a report of your findings.

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