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Samsung Galaxy Note 3 apparently using "benchmark booster" to fix results

0. phoneArena 01 Oct 2013, 18:46 posted on

We've seen benchmark results from the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 before, and they have always been impressive, much more impressive than results from other devices running the same exact chip, which is a red flag. Samsung has been caught "adjusting" benchmark results in the past, and it looks like the company is doing it again with a "benchmark booster" in the Note 3...

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posted on 01 Oct 2013, 18:49 28

1. stealthd (Posts: 971; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


If you can't beat em, cheat em. You just got Samsunged!

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:20 16

22. doejon (Posts: 358; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)


but still note 3 is better than the other ones..

i don´t care if a app opens 0,0003 milisec faster xD

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 02:35 5

66. amats69 (Posts: 1097; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


"But still note 3 is better than the other ones."

but still samsung is CHEATING..

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 03:12 1

68. Wiki_jaan (Posts: 703; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)


every one cheating not just samsung....

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 10:07

79. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


"but still samsung is CHEATING.."

No.
They were CHEATING the Note 3,
It has auto optimization to recognise when more power is needed and bring it on(which is great thing), and they rename some property to fool the device.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 11:09

82. amats69 (Posts: 1097; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


I congratulate you coz your fanboyism is at the highest level.you look like a member of a cult that follows whatever his/her master told him/her even if he/she knows it is already wrong..dude believe me, theres still life outside the shadow of samsung.....pathetic fanboy....

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 03:17 5

70. PunyPoop (Posts: 741; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)


The Might Knight of Samsung! Worst than apple fanboys...

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 09:52 2

78. debugger919 (Posts: 24; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


because you are a samsung fan boy, so what ever it does is good.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 15:22

84. jdoee100 (Posts: 305; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)


"AnandTech just published a report that shows ASUS, HTC and other companies using the same 'benchmark detect' function to artificially bump up the numbers."(engadget) It's funny how it's always only Samsung that gets blamed for industry practices, when plenty of other manufacturers do the exact same thing.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 20:18 7

37. phil2n (Posts: 474; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


I thought Sammy is only Superb in marketing, I was blind that they're also good on cheating and manipulating.

I'm going to sue them for misleading costumers about benchmark test results.

Tim Cook

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 03:12 1

67. Trex95 (Posts: 558; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


Tim cock using Nokia 3310 Lol .

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 20:25 7

41. Yes-Sir (banned) (Posts: 58; Member since: 16 Sep 2013)


No they have not gone Samsunged! It shows how unknowledged and unaware you are, then again you come to PhoneArena, so you should be classed as a "Techie"

What they have done was simple" they took the "Reference" device, installed SetCpu: a software to alter, modify the CPUs floating point. Normally all devices are set to "in demand" so 1 core remains active at 300Mhz, while other 3 sleeps. But on this case they went for "Performance" (mode) which the CPUs idles at 1.8Mhz at all times!

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 20:30 4

43. Ninetysix (Posts: 1664; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


Rename the benchmark app and benchmarks go back to "normal" values.

Not cheating alright.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 22:26

85. tuminatr (Posts: 684; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)


I find this very funny, and you cant truely blame them. Is it gonna stop me from buying a note 3..... NOPE

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 22:21 5

55. samsungIScopycat (banned) (Posts: 27; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


samsung always issued with cheat benchmark....and now note 3...
never change their policy...
copy + cheat + fraud + corruption = samsung~

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 02:23 4

63. amats69 (Posts: 1097; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


Nothing new on Samsung..im not surprise anymore in this news...Samsung only know is Copying, Cheating, And hiring students to give negative review on their competitor's product, but still all samsung fans worship samsung..shame on you sammy! .#shamesung

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 18:53 9

3. Katrina (Posts: 66; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


o sammy, cheating at this era? you think your consumers are uneducated fools? (well most people are lols)

well your scores for N3 is lower than Z1 now ....

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:20 10

23. GTR722 (Posts: 241; Member since: 20 Oct 2012)


Samsung fans and Apple fans are just the same...they will love anything that comes with a "S" or and apple.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 22:15 4

54. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


No!
Note 3 scores better even than G2 without this "booster"
By the way , lets see Samsung's anwer, not this be same like the "region lock" iManipulation.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 18:53 5

4. newbey123 (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 Mar 2012)


LOL, not really surprised at this.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 23:58 1

57. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


And you just believe everything you're told.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 18:53 4

5. ocilfa (Posts: 333; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


I don't see why this matters. The G2, Z1, and a few other devices have the same chip as the Note 3. Wouldn't it be obvious to see if the benches were BS anyways?

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:03 10

7. Katrina (Posts: 66; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


no man, samsung fan bois goes crazy and show off when they see the numbers are higher than other OEMs.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:03 3

8. silencer271 (Posts: 210; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


love how they find some reason why an android device benchmark is good but on the iphone they take it as the law. iLosers.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:06 8

10. darkkjedii (Posts: 12024; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Ooooooohhhh naughty Sammy. I'm tellin mama. Mamaaaaaaaaaa Sammy cheatinnnnnnnnn!!!

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:12 2

18. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8718; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Ha!

+1

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:33 2

30. darkkjedii (Posts: 12024; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I'll get called a fanboy for that, even though I was actually joking in the way kids tell mom lol. My niece is notorious for saying "I'm telliiiiiiiiin" while running to tell. +1

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:07 6

11. willard12 (Posts: 833; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Wow, PA. This week alone, samsung has copied apple's golden device, had thousands of their devices traded-in for iphones on gazelle, region locked the note 3, their watch does nothing, and are apparently their note 3 phone really isn't as fast as the benchmark scores say they are. Samsung has finally convinced numbers to lie. Meanwhile, at PA, Apple's slo-mo is awesome, their benchmarks are great and real, iphones are selling like crack, and they are better than coke. Of course, since most of those samsung articles turned out to be wrong, I've found it's better to wait until the update is posted in order to get the full/real story.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:07 9

13. Bootutu (Posts: 189; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


Over-clocking???, its still running at specified speed, they clearly said the Powervr 544MP3 runs at 532MHz, and there are several stock apps that runs at that speed too, what a misleading article by PA again, and because the S800 is running at full speed under stress you call that a problem, anyways its normal if you are ruling, people will nitpick just to show a negative point.

P.S: PA should go and revise the Note 3 biased review

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:14 3

19. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8718; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Hmmm. I partially agree, so I'll throw you a +1.

P.S. They need to revise the review ASAP.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:24

24. ngo2dd (Posts: 787; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


What stock app does it run at full? They only do it to boost point nothing more. Fanboy are so bad

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:31 1

29. Bootutu (Posts: 189; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


http://www.anandtech.com/show/7192/update-on-gpu-optimizations-galaxy-s-4

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 21:37

49. ngo2dd (Posts: 787; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


They only benchmark and Samsung app not stock about those.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:19 5

21. syedzain (Posts: 174; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


If Apple would have done this- OMG!!! thats soo bad..
Samsung Does it - Phonearena is Biased..

Come on guys accept it, iPhone 5s beats all android devices in the benchmark.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:27 5

27. Bootutu (Posts: 189; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


In what benchmark, browsers? lol...adreno beats the crap out of your jezuz phone, go hide under the rock

http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp

http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&data-source=1&version=all&test=478&text-filter=&order=median&os-Android=true&os-iPhone_OS=true&arch-ARM=true&arch-MIPS=true&arch-x86=true&base=device

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 01:22 3

61. syedzain (Posts: 174; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


LOL read the post and then comment stupid things.. Hahaha.. it said " samsung boost their benchmark stuff "

Come on accept the defeat :D

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 08:58

76. Bootutu (Posts: 189; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


There's nothing like boosting speed, the phone is just running full speed under stress, just like what the A7 does under stress, logically when both SOC's are running full speed, S800 still beats the crap out of A7 lol, still go hide under rock buddy

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 09:22

77. Ninetysix (Posts: 1664; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


Rename the benchmark app to something else and the phone suddenly stops running at "full speed"....LOL.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 10:13

80. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


No.
They were CHEATING the Note 3,
It has auto optimization to recognise when more power is needed and bring it on(which is great thing), and they rename some property to fool the device.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 19:51

33. Sniggly (Posts: 7128; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Yep, more and more happy with my decision to support Motorola instead. I don't like dishonesty.

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 20:43 3

45. maccess (Posts: 629; Member since: 16 Jan 2013)


but the real performance of the phone itself "honestly" beast..

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 10:17

81. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


And do you think that we believe you that you are honest now?
Using this old, cheap, digusting manipulation iTrick. LOL

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 04:45

86. Sniggly (Posts: 7128; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


What in the living frack are you talking about?

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 22:06

53. blingblingthing (Posts: 446; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)


Is it just me or is this code Samsung is using a game app should use natively coded?

posted on 01 Oct 2013, 23:59

58. darkskoliro (Posts: 991; Member since: 07 May 2012)


For anyone wondering why this article actually matters,
"The idea is to test actual phone performance. How the system allocates cores and self-governs its clock speed is an intrinsic part to that performance. If Samsung has to embed a cheat-list of apps that get full-speed hardware access, that means that we're not measuring the phone's real world speed." - Pocketnow

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 00:09

60. jacko1977 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


i bet apple does it too just harder to find

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 02:34 1

65. Taters (Posts: 3291; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Lol The Xperia Z1 and Ultra destroy the LG G2 in benchmarks and Samsung gets called out by the retards for it? Don't tell me you morons think that Sony's skin is actually that much lighter than LG's because it is not.

The Note 3, Xperia Z1, Xperia ultra, and LG G2 all use the same internals and the benchmarks vary greatly. And no the skin is not enough to account for these huge variations. They all obviously tweak the software to run good on benchmarks yet only Samsung gets called out for doing it best. Sad.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 05:55

74. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1181; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


What's obvious is that you haven't used the G2 for any significant amount of time. LG's new skin is as bloated and heavy as TouchWiz. Neither the Note 3 nor the G2 should be at the top of S800 benchmarks because of how heavy their skins are. This cheating issue was found by multiple sites, not just PA. Time to face facts.

While you are at it, check out some Android sites to see how Sammy lied about region locking even after the tried to clarify it. It's pretty clear that Samsung is willing to lie, cheat, and copy to stay on top of the Android hill.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 12:40

83. Taters (Posts: 3291; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


LOL Reply to me when you know what the hell that you are talking about. I know Apple fans are not very bright but I still expect better from you. Apps run off the Google Playstore including benchmarks and they all run the same for each chipset configuration, in this case the S800.

In order for a skin to affect the APP at all, other apps strictly related to the skin need to be running in the background. So your really poorly thought point isn't a point at all because no matter how heavy the LG and Samsung skins are, they are not running in the background so any variations to benchmark results are just that. People optimizing the code to make certain apps run better.

If Samsung choose to optimize so benchmarks run better it is their choice. They are not lying about anything because the hardware is THERE to make it run better. If someone optimizes their phone to make say Facebook run better than what Google intended, does it mean that they are lying and cheating and should leave it so the Facebook app runs like all the other Android phones? Are they hiding how the facebook app on Android really performs? We all know the answer to that and it is NO.

posted on 02 Oct 2013, 06:45

75. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 654; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


As much as I like samsung's approach of providing options in each price range, providing great devices and Updates, I really HATE this thing of artificially boosting Benchmarks....
STOP IT SAMSUNG....
Donno why you are doing it, coz Benchmarks is not important to anyone..Noone says that I will get HTC One/iPhone/ Note 3 because it has amazing benchmark results....
People buy devices to suit their needs.
Real world performance matters.
So, STOP this non-sense right now Samsung & concentrate on making your devices perform better in real world for the users.

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