Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet to feature powerful ARM Mali T-604 graphics, adding to a quad-core processor
0. phoneArena 15 May 2012, 06:40 posted on
The score of 61.4 megapixels per second beats the second in line - Galaxy S III - by a huge margin, indicating a new graphics processor. Since the chipset in the Galaxy Note 10.1 is listed as the same Exynos 4412 we have in the latest Galaxy phone, then the graphics processor must be the next generation Mali T-604, not the Mali-400 in the Galaxy S II and S III...
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2. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Looks interesting .
I might really jump land from iPad to Samsung tablet for the first time .
But the touchwiz for tablet I don't like , like asus skin more , sense for tablet (jet stream) also not bad . Hope somebody port sense for tablet into note 10.1
6. hung2900 (Posts: 649; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
There are thousands of roms and lauchers for GTab 10.1 man!
9. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Dude tab 10.1 isn't a good device people but it because it's a Samsung . The asus is better and feels more snappy because it's less heavily skinned . For now a Samsung tab I wil buy is tab 7.7
12. ph00ny (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 May 2011)
10.1 is awful because Tegra2 was a terrible choice for a tablet
3. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
*Angels start to sing*
Ahh.. the first official appearance of the 5250 chip. Isnt it heartwarming? :)
The S3 has already been knocked off the king of the hill crown.. by another samsung, and the S3 hasnt even launched yet.. lol
5. PimpStrong (Posts: 310; Member since: 25 Jul 2011)
Eeeasy now. That is a tablet. Let's not get the "S3 is outdated" comments going until it is at least released!
10. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
This isn't that super fast A15 dual core chip that you say is faster than the quad core A9 chip ? This smokes the Tegra 3 ! This is just a same exynos from galaxy s3 with a new GPU right ?
Btw Tegra 2 and snapdragon 3 which is faster ?
13. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no, the SGS3 uses the 4412 chip, which is an A9 quadcore die shrunk to 32nm. It has some advanced manufacturing processes and its mali400 GPU is set at a higher clock speed as well which is what helps make it a beast.
The chip in this tablet is the A15 5250 dual exynos, which on the CPU side gets about the same power as the A9 4412 quad exynos, but the GPU that they use is 5x more powerful at standard clocks than the mali400 in the SGS2/SGS3.
This is the chip that everyone WANTED in the SGS3, but knew it wouldnt happen because samsung said this was a Tablet chip first and foremost.
A T2 and S3 are both old chips, why worry about them? Between the 2, I'd take the Tegra2. Its stronger over all by just a smidge. Neither are as good as the OMAP4 or Exynos 4210 that sits in the SGS2/Note.
Between a T3 and an S4, its a bit of a toss up. The T3 slams the S4 in some tests and fails in others comparatively like with the OneX's (T3 version) camera issues. For actual crunching power, the T3 has a multithreading advantage with its quad set up. So thats really up to you which one you want.
18. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
nothing just that we are comparing chips i just ask .
Samsung tabs for carriers mostly have s3 while normal ones have tegra which i find very laggy on the tab10.1 .
But for me i will go with a tegra 3
19. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
although the tab10.1 is the best selling Honeycomb tablet . thats what makes me think android sucks .
I find that the Transformer is more snappy but people buy the 10.1 because its a samsung
24. AFnerdTP (Posts: 68; Member since: 15 May 2012)
on spec sheet & price, TF300 might look great, but if you start reading the reviews, you'll soon find that they have some trouble with quality control.
hence the lower price i guess.. NOT saying samsung is a whole lot better, but personally, i like to do research and find the most suitable gadget.
so far, i've not had any issues with any of my samsung products
22. hung2900 (Posts: 649; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Read the article again! It's quad Cortex-A9 with a newer GPU.
28. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
HUNG , thumbs up . Thats what i am trying to say
33. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
u know.. i totally missed that part. good catch.
if its true, then its a complete surprise since samsung has never mentioned this combination.
and if thats true..
WHY THE HELL IS THE MALI400 IN THE SGS3 AND NOT THIS GPU!?!?!?
42. Dr.Phil (Posts: 789; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I honestly believe that what we are seeing is just a test device. I think they are just testing out the new graphics of the Mali t-604. hung2900 is right that the listed specs on the benchmark match the GSIII's processor. My guess is that they don't have the Exynos 5 series chipset ready yet (it is suppose to be ready in a month), so they are possibly just trying the graphics chipset first and then they may test it again with the 5-series chipset in it. Then, they will most likely make a business decision as to whether to use the new 5-series chipset or the Exynos 4412 if it is sufficient enough. Remember, they will need to weigh in the extra cost that may be associated with the 5-series chipset as well as supplies of it. The other guess is just as PA pointed out: a higher resolution screen. Remember, they are trying to compete with the new iPad so they would need some higher resolution display than what they showed on the Note 10.1 back at MWC.
I am very excited about this device though. Even if it just comes with the 4412, I think it will be a superb tablet. My only hope is that the price still comes in around $500.
43. Hemlocke (unregistered)
As soon as the LG Eclipse LTE gets benchmarked, I doubt the S3 will be anywhere close to "King of the Hill."
38. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
I will too, but only if it comes with a screen the same or better than the upcoming Transformer Prime Infinity. And it also needs a good keyboard dock with USB ports.
Let's also see how this compares to the Asus Padfone.
39. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they pushed this back to put in a bigger chip and GPU after the crowds moaned at it's dual core nature. Now its quadcore with a massive GPU. That would be nearly meaningless on the short term unless they were raising the screen density/resolution. Maybe thats where the Super Amoled+ HD screens will end up? A nice thought for sure.
44. hung2900 (Posts: 649; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Actually I wish it has an IGZO retina display: nice, thin and extremely power efficient.
7. blinkdagger (Posts: 76; Member since: 04 May 2012)
We still will be bombarded by samsung devices. They just keep coming. But sadly samsung ways of "don't put all eggs in one basket" gonna give us lots of redundant products. We not going to get 'killer' spec in one ultimate device, instead samsung will spread it to make all their devices sold. At least that's what my friend in Samsung told me.
30. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
well i do hope there is an upgrade to the HTC OneX I like it very much but i find it not as good as the s3 . Maybe they would do a OneXE of something like that
8. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Alright so now the obvious question...what games on Android require this kind of graphical prowess to run? I can't even find a game that doesn't run smoothly on even the now-aging Power VR540.
11. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
But live wallpaper will sometimes lag on powervr sgx540 . Hint galaxy nexus
16. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
thats an issue with a poorly implemented live wallpaper. A program is only as good as its programmer.
23. ph00ny (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Problem is poor choice of hardware. There are microstutters sometimes even in the app drawer
27. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
see how laggy is the nexus with live wallpaper enabled
31. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
BTW , he answered my question on do older launcher's work i asked on his nova launcher review
36. PimpStrong (Posts: 310; Member since: 25 Jul 2011)
I owned a G'Nex briefly. Couldn't believe that a stock LWP made the phone lag. The same wallpaper runs just fine on my TMO GSII.
14. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
because in order for games to progress, they must first have more power at their disposal. Most games are made to be able to run on the majority of phones, not the super powered minority. Over time, the super powered phones become the "average" phone as new phones come out, thus games will get better over time.
The more people that buy in the ultra high end, the faster the games get to improve.
26. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Yeah but they haven't even progressed so as to tax even the Tegra3's GPU, and this thing is what? 3 times more powerful or something even more ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure Samsung of all companies knows this, and this is just alot of flexing. Unless publishers are already trying to port over their Just Cause 2's and the like I'm not really seeing a point, and of course with that comes another can of worms.
35. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The Tegra3 just came out not too long ago. Games are set towards the AVERAGE user experience for mass adoption, not the upper end. Games are coming out that are meant for the T3 that cant play on anything lower, but they are the exception. Most games barely tax the Adreno 220 in the S3. As those fade out and the Adreno 225, T3, and Mali400 become even more common, games will start to push those boundaries.. but by the time they become common, the next set of super GPU's will be out.
Your talking probably a year or so lag between GPU launch and a few games that really start to push it.. probably 2 year lag from launch till the time many games push it.
Were in a time of very powerful devices in our pocket. Smile.
41. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
There were some factors I didn't take into account. Like that ARM made that GPU, and not Samsung, and they probably aren't very concerned by the state of gaming on android, they just want to provide something that device makers will find attractive
I mean you made points about the lag between when a GPU launches and when games that can really make use of it come out, but do you really feel that interval is accurate today? I'm sure you'd know better than me but I feel like hardware development is way outpacing game development in android at least in terms of how much they're taxing the GPUs that are offered.
I mean take a look at the top new and top games in the market, doesn't seem to me that there's all that much that's really all that graphically intensive.
And I haven't payed very close attention honestly, but I feel like I'd know if games were coming out on a regular basis that could be graphically taxing and just weren't selling well. Still I could be wrong.
I'm not hating on the progress, I just feel like increasingly powerful GPUs can take a momentary backseat to other enhancements to improve the experience while the games themselves catchup somewhat.
37. ph00ny (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 May 2011)
If the hardware didn't exist, would games like GTAIII, riptide, shadowgun, etc be released on android?
It's the same concept as game consoles. Same hardware since day 1 but the visual quality is drastically different than the first day of the launch.
15. ahomad (Posts: 121; Member since: 15 May 2012)
I think you are mistaken, t658 has 10x times the power of t400 and 4x the power of t604. thus, t604 has around 2.5x the power of t400. and that what are we seeing in this benchmark.
it shows that it is around 2X the power of t400, but the t400 used in sgs3 is over clocked while t604 has 2.5x the slandered t400. can you check this for us please.
17. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
according to samsung, it has 5x the power of the mali400, both at base clocks. what you are also seeing is a massive jump in resolution from the SGS2, which is going to skew the test down a bit. if it were running the exact same resolutions of the SGS2 or something similar, it would show the difference much greater than it does.
Since the note is the closest thing to a base mali400 on that test, compare it to the 604. It has 3x the rate of the mali400.
This is also prerelease software, so expect it to be optimized further.
25. ph00ny (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Actually 5x comment came from ARM
"The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over previous Mali graphics processors and is scalable up to 4 cores."
32. ahomad (Posts: 121; Member since: 15 May 2012)
but again, according to ARM
The Mali-T658 delivers up to ten times the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as a four times increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
the part you quoted didn't specify specific GPU, they just said previous processors. but here they clearly said t400, t604 and t658
34. ahomad (Posts: 121; Member since: 15 May 2012)
this support what I said earlier that t604 has 2.5x the power of t400, am I right?
21. hung2900 (Posts: 649; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Taiji locks at a frequency of ~ 60 Hz on account of vsyn (the same as nenamark), so the true number is maybe higher.
29. android1234 (Posts: 105; Member since: 09 Feb 2010)
THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE THE SCREEN, MINIMIUM 1980X1080, BUT ITLL BE SWEET TO GET 2560X1600!!
40. pbui.818 (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)
Yup, I hope this is the rumored 2560×1600 resolution tablet but a minimum 1920×1200.
Other potential resolutions?
7680×4320 8K UHD