Samsung GALAXY S II for T-Mobile will not have an Exynos chip
0. phoneArena 12 Sep 2011, 04:14 posted on
T-Mobile's version of the Samsung GALAXY S II will most probably have a dual-core processor different from the manufacturer's very own Exynos chip. Word comes from Philip Berne, Samsung...
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1. pokerc (unregistered)
must get this phone!!!!
2. pokerc (unregistered)
3. Krishaun27 (unregistered)
Im lookin fwd to seeing the benchmark scores without the Exynos chip.
33. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they already had the hercules benchmarked at around 3000 on quadrant. Thats what made us think it was an exynos to begin with. Its been the only non modded chip so far that breaks the 3k barrier.
4. Kenshiro (unregistered)
So, wait. T-Mobile's variant is using an inferior CPU and the trade-off is a hypothetical download speed? Screw the 8060 and 42 Mb/s, give us the 8672 or nothing at all. Nexus Prime is right around the corner anyway.
5. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i agree. i would much rather have 21mb/s theoretical downloads and an exynos over 42mb/s and a crap ass snapdragon processor. I've been dying for the SGS2 to launch, now its gonna break my heart as i SKIP IT. Hopefully at the worst its a clocked up OMAP.
6. kenshiro (Posts: 42; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
It wouldn't be so bad if they were using a faster 1.5 GHz Snapdragon to compete with the 1.2 Exynos. But if this article is true and they are using an old 1.2 GHz Snapdragon...? I will pass and just hold out for the Nexus.
12. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
1.5ghz snapdragon IS NOT faster than a 1.2ghz Exynos. Clock speed does not denote power.
13. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The only good thing is that it doesnt say what chip or clockspeed it could be using. I'll hold my breath for a 1.5ghz OMAP. At least that would be close to the exynos in power.
11. PimpStrong (Posts: 310; Member since: 25 Jul 2011)
You don't wanna be stuck on non-ICS for nearly a year anyway do you? US GS2 = a LONG wait for an OS upgrade.
14. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
We dont know that. We also know that samsung embraces and helps the developer community and regularly drops off different software versions at their door. There's a good chance there will be ICS roms shortly after its release.
22. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
...LOL! ohhh remixfa, you poor dog. xD welcome to the OMAP club buddy.
32. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you have no idea how much of a sad panda I am about this crap. lol. I guess ill be holding out for the Nexus Prime after all... waaaaaaah!
42. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
that's okay, like you know already, the differences will be quite minimal.
25. PimpStrong (Posts: 310; Member since: 25 Jul 2011)
ROMs are one thing but look at the Vibrant and Galaxy S 4g. Still on 2.2. and 2.3 has been out for 9 months now. Unless 4.0 is actually easy to lay on top of 2.3, the TMO GSII will take eaqually as long to update and I don't see how anyone can doubt that.
26. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
your logic is flawed because you're assuming the process of upgrading to ICS will be the same as any other version of Android but ICS will be different because it will bring a vast amount of changes to the platform and Google themselves has said they intend to bring down the degree of fragmentation that you're speaking of.
7. nanandella (unregistered)
You people crack me up with your benchmarks. Ask any developer on XDA and they'll tell you after the galaxy s that Samsung purposely tweaked files to post abnormally higher benchmark scores. I can take a G2X, a Sensation, Evolution 3D and inside of 5 minutes post you a Quadrant score over 4000. What does this mean people? The rhetorical answer is.......NOTHING. Every CPU/GPU has its own strengths and weaknesses in some areas the Adreno 220 outperforms the VR and visa versa. The only benchmark that means anything right now is CF. Quadrant is so out of date, not even optimized for dualcore, and easily manipulated by changing a couple files. If your going to have an opinion have an educated one.
8. iankellogg (Posts: 155; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I would love to read more into this, do you have any references I could read?
9. Galen20K (Posts: 517; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Exactly, I'm glad somebody here has some sense. All these benchmark sheep around here are ridiculous.
31. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
If you're talking about changing the old RFS files to the ext4 format then that change over does result in actual better performance, it's no trick. I know because i've done it on my mom's Droid Charge. Even if the Quadrant Scores are inaccurate we use an educated process of extrapulation and factoring to come to the best conclusions and it's not that hard when you observe and compare the benchmarks of similar sets that Quadrant is accurate with like the S2, Hummingbird and OMAP3. Benchmarks are Benchmarks it's just a matter of understanding what they really mean to us in the end.
34. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yes, quadrants are easily manipulated by I/O manipulation which is actually more prevalent in the snapdragon mods than the hummingbird/exynos. The reason being that the snapdragons run the I/O clock in a way that boosts its score. If you look at the breakdown on the full version of quadrant or any benchmark, nearly half of a snapdragons total score is I/O which is a useless test. On the hummingbird the I/O score is smaller but its superior graphical and 3d capabillity bring the score up higher than the over all score of the snapdragon anyways.
There is no I/O trick on the hummingbird. It is a full file conversion from RFS which is an antiquated file system, to EXT4 which is the file system used in Gingerbread. It makes the entire phone perform faster. Its not a trick or a glitch. Its what every phone on 2.3 gingerbread uses as a file system. That was where the "gains" by going to 2.3 were made.
Benchmarks are never accurate, but when taken UNMODDED they still give you an accurate ideal of where chipsets lie in relation to each other.
EVERY bench comes up with this order S3 Snapdragon < Tegra2 < OMAP < Exynos.
Either they are all wrong, or u dont have much of a point.
And if you break down the S3 snapdragon's scores, its only marginally better if at all when compared to a Hummingbird on Ext4. Its a crap chip. Heck, my hummingbird still posts better FPS by 10-20fps in every test over a sensation clocked at 1.2ghz. Thats actual FPS, not a generic benchmark.
So your right.. if your going to have an opinion, have an educated one.
10. kenshiro (Posts: 42; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
Hey, Nanandella. What about my opinion is not educated? Hey, I got an idea. Show me data that proves Exynos is not better than the Snapdragon and proof that your XDA developer friends aren't themselves not educated and their opinions skewed, or STFU. No one gives a sh** about quandrant scores, or a bunch of Tegra fanboys posting on an XDA forum.
15. bucky (Posts: 1598; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
21. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
lol...you beat me to it. Yea, they FINALLY reviewed it....and for the benchmark fiends ....overall the Exynos is an absolute beast.
Gotta give Samsung props, even if you dont like their phones. Tegra 2 is ok too,
Folks hating on the chip in the Droid 3 and Bionic...it held its own too.
Reading that Anandtech review....thats why some ppl dont like that this phone has a Snapdragon.
16. nanandella (unregistered)
Tegra2 fanboys? There's a reason Samsung just hired the lead developer from CyanogenMod. I'm not going to argue with ignorance. Compare the Adreno 220 in a phone like the Sensation to the Mali 400 in the Galaxy S2. I won't post "fanboy " research but in many areas it trounces it. For instance the Galaxy S2 uses a lower Res screen then the sensation this equates to the Sensation utilizing more CPU power to push that resolution. If I over clock the Sensation to 1.5 ghz to compensate for the qhd display it beats the galaxy s2 in CF Benchmark and Antutu both of these support dualcore. Can I notice any difference in day to day use after a little overclocking to beat the galaxy s2 in all these benchmarks? Absolutely not. I'm using the Sensation as an example but the same can be said for a few other phones as well. Its all in how you want to look at it.
20. CostcoHotDogs (unregistered)
Your just mad you got yourself the sensation and found out that the SGS2 is way better. It's OK tell yourself: you did the right thing and that there will always be something better BS- it will make you feel better=)
35. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
first off, dual core phones are hardly touched by resolution. They did a test between 2 tegra2 phones.. the LG G2X and The Atrix. The atrix has a much higher resolution. You know what the difference in FPS was on the same test? about 1-2 FPS. THAT IS NOT A DISCERNIBLE DIFFERENCE.
I realize u obviously like the Snapdragon S3 chipset. If you do, thats great. Those of us here in the big boy camp like the big boy toys, and if u want them.. u have no choice but samsung. Best screens, best processor, and most connectivity options all reside in the samsung camp.
Those of us that have been waiting patiently for our turn with the SGS2 DO NOT want a substitute chip. Its that easy. We want the exynos paired with the super amoled screen and all the other goodies. We do not want a sub par snapdragon chip infesting the phone.
Even at 1.5ghz, the sensation cant hold a candle to the SGS2. It doesnt have the horsepower nor the ram to do it. The sensation at 1.2ghz runs the same as my SGS1 with EXT4 at 1.2ghz. Ive benched them both with multiple tests. My SGS1 out does it in FPS tests 100% of the time.. by a large margin... on dual core optimized tests!
43. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
look out! remixfa's angry about the Galaxy S II's snapdragon AND HE'S A FIRIN' HIS LAZER!
45. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can u tell the lack of exynos is a sore spot with me? lol.. especially when someone tries to convince me that its ok that it has a frikkin snapdragon.
a 3 legged dog is not as fast as a 4 legged dog on a caffiene rush.
17. Isseyphresh (Posts: 4; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
Samsung Exynos>Qualcomm snapdragon hands down! Any side by side test will confirm that ....no use for benchmarks when real world performance clearly indicates which is the better soc.
18. anonymous_angela (unregistered)
I hope by using a fully tested CPU, Samsung doesn't break the GPS functionality. Remember that fiasco with the ATT Captivate?
19. kenshiro (Posts: 42; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
What a ridiculous comparison. You are assuming the Exynos would not score just as well or better when also OC'd to 1.5 GHz on an qHD display. qHD does not equate an additional 300 MHz per core over 800x480, especially when comparing two very different CPUs.
23. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Sprint and ATT are worthy of Exynos... not T-Mo... thats what you get for bashing on verizon not getting the copycat phone
24. kenshiro (Posts: 42; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
Since when do you decide who is worthy of what? And who's bashing Verizon?
27. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
never said that I decided.. I just reported that T-Mo is not an elite carrier thats why they are not getting the Exynos and thats why they will be bought... bashing on verizon..hmmm you are not from around here right?.... reading one article will not understand.. need to read various articles to know what is going on...
28. kenshiro (Posts: 42; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
Haha. What a load of crap. You need to get your facts straight, chorizo. T-Mobile is not getting the Exynos because the modem doesn't support 42Mbs, it has nothing to do with them being an "elite carrier".
29. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
by them not supporting 42mbs.. doesnt that makes them,... inferior... every carrier in Mexico ... not to go far.. supports higher than 42 mbs...
ps... hope you dont use T-Mo.... because that will make you....... yes that.....
30. kenshiro (Posts: 42; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)
I never said T-Mobile doesn't support 42Mbs. The Exynos chipset does not support 42Mbs, and T-Mobile requested 42Mbs. If anything, T-Mobile will have the most "elite" version of the GS2.
38. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
hmmm "elite"... please their coverage is garbage, I paid the ETF a few years ago to leave that crappy company... conclusion... so this means the Exynos chips are not the creme of the crap... T-mobile is a crappy company... that will be bought to have all of his cheap subscribers running around like chicken with no heads...
37. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
now, from the boy that cries racism about mentioning his spanish heritage, to now imply that if you dont have 42mb/s... which even YOU dont have, then your what? lower than a mexican? Is that what your implying?
you are one frikkin stupid idiot. you are officially lower than Taco.. congratulations, your dunce cap is on order.. try not to eat it.
36. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
your an idiot like always gallito
Tmobile not getting the exynos was THEIR CALL. TMOBILE wanted 42mb/s connectivity. Tmobile was willing to trade the chip for the speed. Tmobile wanted the fastest version of all the SGS2s. Tmobile wanted that crown above the most powerful crown.
Obviously many of us dont agree with Tmobile's decision, but it was Tmobile's decision to make. It had nothing to do with any other carrier or any other idiotic thing you can cook up.
39. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
This is why we want exynos. Any questions? (on a side note, look at where the "superior" iphone4 ends up..lol)
Heres one with all phones tested running the same resolution.. 720p. The Snapdragon S3 cant even make it into the test because its not capable.. lol
40. tno (unregistered)
It should be noted he simply states that Sprint and AT&T will have a certain Exynos chip and that T-Mo will not. It could still be an Exynos variant. Tegra 2 has no 1.4 GHz spec. And Qualcomm makes sense because they have the broadest support for T-Mo's AWS frequencies. So what I'm really saying is that we shouldn't be talking about this as news till you can actually answer WHAT it is.
41. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
the Samsung lawyers released the following statement...
" Exynos are too good for that garbage carrier... they are lucky we are sending SGII their way.... they should be kissing our feet...deuces.."
44. dawald (unregistered)
Well good job tmobile for screwing us out another awsome phone that got change for what just stupid ass 42+ speeds that like 9/10 the u.s. cant even take advantage of. Thumbs down for the retards involve in this change to the phone especially if its a older cpu for a new flagship device..................................
46. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
well, the good news is that the bulk of Tmobiles network has had its HSPA upgraded to 42mb/s. The bad news is I DONT CARE, I WANT EXYNOS!