Samsung Exynos 5 Dual aims to be the first Cortex A15-based processor, shoots for higher heights in mobile graphics, memory performance
0. phoneArena 10 Aug 2012, 04:03 posted on
We’ve already heard about the Samsung Exynos 5 series of chips, but now Samsung has posted a whitepaper for the Samsung Exynos 5250…
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1. hateftotti (Posts: 143; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Bye Bye ipad ...
Hope to see it on Note 2 and next Samsung tablet ;)
18. dickwyn (Posts: 595; Member since: 07 May 2012)
still waiting for Apple's A6 Cortex A15 processor, no matter it is still fabricated by samsung
23. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)
No doubt this will be a bad to the bone setup but as expected we get better as time goes on and dont think for a second that apple wont be getting the best of the best chip designs.
29. Nokia-Arte (banned) (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
It more than enough power needed, cause once you root this you can overclock this to 2.5, which in same as a Intel 3....
58. The_Innovation (Posts: 560; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)
Bye bye Ms. American pie...
Sorry, couldn't help it.
62. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
samsung still make the processor of iPad...like sammy said.. they cant let go on apple because they are the biggest costumer on samsung...
you can say good bye to iPad.. but you are not the target maket of the iPad... not these obssess android people!
2. Eraser112 (Posts: 10; Member since: 29 May 2012)
This isn´t the first A15-based CPU, think about the Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Series.
5. Srinivas (Posts: 17; Member since: 12 Feb 2011)
Snapdragon S4 uses A9 cortex only but it is based on a 28nm technology which is more efficient than 32 nm technology of exynos 4412 . There is not comparison between a cortex A9 and cortex A15 .
11. MeoCao (unregistered)
S4 uses Krait architecture similar to A15 but not A15.
22. asifisbest (Posts: 5; Member since: 12 Jan 2012)
Yes, just referred Wiki and AnandTech. S4 uses a Krait core which is a modified version of A9 but its performance is comparable to A15. But architecturally, A15 is a bit better than Krait. I think Exynos will be the best A15 based SoC.
26. MeoCao (unregistered)
This is understandable. A15 came out nearly a year after Krait but still can't have a substantive improvement and that means Qualcomm has done a terrific job.
56. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 364; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
Krait architecture is a carbon copy of ARM Cortex-A15.copycat.........lol...................
27. AeroPrime (Posts: 155; Member since: 21 Feb 2011)
Qualcomm chips are outstanding ... no offense to samsung but it really does....in terms of thermal and performance, it feels a lot more efficient .... This is why windows phone is so smooth.... MS really knows how to choose a manufacturer.
41. ph00ny (Posts: 603; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I will take 32nm HKMG over 28nm polysi any day of the week. Who cares about half nodes. Even Intel skipped it all together
45. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
technically the 32nm HKMG is more efficient than kraits 28nm process, which is why exynos achieves more power and battery savings than krait. Its not all about its size (which is important), its also about HOW its made.
Qualcomm likes to "go their own way" with their chips. Good for them.. unfortunately none of their designs have yet to be top in class... or even close to top in class. So unless they can get better than ARM at chip design, then need to just knock it off and modify ARM designs like everyone else does.
13. Lawliet (Posts: 160; Member since: 02 Jul 2012)
The S4 core is Krait, which is similar in performance to A15, but the architecture is somewhat different
33. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
S4 Krait is "A15 like" according to qualcom, however it performs NOTHING like an A15. It doesnt even perform like the A9 exynos 4212/4412. If it performed like an A15 at all, it would be at the top of the performance pile, not fighting for last place.
The Krait Pro has a chance of being better than the current crop of super powered A9's, but its easily outclassed by this TRUE A15, and I'd bet money that it will be outclassed by every true A15 that follows.
61. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
what is this dude talkin about.......last place??
20. smartphonemad (Posts: 42; Member since: 10 Jul 2012)
Struggling to see why you got a thumb down for that comment :L
4. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
Rather "Hi 4. Generation iPad with Cortex A15." Why Should Apple not go with the time? Then, a 15-hour battery life would be possible.
50. Nokia-Arte (banned) (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Whenever you post, you always get thumbed down.....!
6. asifisbest (Posts: 5; Member since: 12 Jan 2012)
It is not the first SoC based on ARM Cortex A15 architecture. Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 is the first one using ARM Cortex A15 CPU cores.
14. Lawliet (Posts: 160; Member since: 02 Jul 2012)
Qualcomm's chips are their own designs, but the performance of S4 and A15 is similar
30. TylerGrunter (Posts: 963; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
We don't really know about performance yet, but if the specifications are correct A15 is "only" going to be around 40% more powerful than the A9.
Then you would be right (Krait cores are around 30% more powerful than the current A9)
I must admit I'm a little dissapointed, I was expection A15 to double the performance of A9
We'll see the truth when the first gadgest go to market.
40. Lawliet (Posts: 160; Member since: 02 Jul 2012)
Well I think it should be, krait is a little bit weaker, as far as I know :)
42. ph00ny (Posts: 603; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Once again. Qualcomm does not use ARM's Cortex designs and it's closer to a A9 than A15
46. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
correct. Lets call it A9.2. Since it cant even beat other A9 chips, its not worthy of being called much more.
Asif, your falling for Qualcomm's advertising which like many things you see on TV, isnt completely factual. They called it "A15 equivilant", not an "A15". However it is NEITHER.
8. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
I know why they make it dual core a15 instead quad core a15
Because if they make it quad they can't improve
10. Adithya7184 (Posts: 316; Member since: 05 Mar 2011)
Now, this is called Innovation....dear Apple, learn from Samsung rather suing them...!!!LOL!!!
17. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5479; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Agree, but it is more about ARM than Samsung. :)
35. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
its both. One supplies the base designs and requirements to be called A15, and the other tweaks the snot out of it to make it faster than anyone else.
43. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5479; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
ARM creates whole CPU architecture and Samsung implements that CPU architecture into SoC, that's it. ;)
16. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Android ecosystem is far from ready for such screen resolutions.
It will make developers even less willing to bother with it.
Heck, just look what's going on with the latest MacBook pro.
They should stick to full hd and up to 10inch screens. It's enough and would make developing apps incomparably easier.
21. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
To those who thumb down without the brains to formulate a decent reply, I ask - would you rather have a FULL HD tablet with plenty of supported apps that look great on it, or a pumped up screen with huge compatibility issues?
31. TylerGrunter (Posts: 963; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Your question is out of place. Most people would like to have a pumped up screen WITH plenty of supported apps.
That Android ecosystem is not ready of such a resolution is just a personal opinion. That's why you got the thumbs down.
I personally think that someone has to be the first to put a higher resolution even if there are no apps for it. Then when there are devices with it the applications will come. If you don't start with the devices you'll never get the applications there (ask yourself: where there any applications for the iPad 3 resolution at first? NO).
Second: that the chip ALLOWS such a resolution doesn't mean that they are going to use it. They can use the SoC with a lower resolution too. So your claim makes about if Android is ready or not makes actually little sense.
Do you still wonder why you got the thumbs down?
For posting without thinking.
32. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
you do realize that no apps natively supported the new ipad when it came out right? your barking out of both sides of your body.
34. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
Also, most consumers couldnt tell the difference between the ipad2 and the ipad3 when looking at the screen.
So your pro-apple rant about resolution is even more flat.
38. Nokia-Arte (banned) (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
If Apple was smart and uped the ppi to 400, then u can tell a major difference! But they chose 250ppi.
39. Nokia-Arte (banned) (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
He was telling, talking the truth, wisely, but why the thumbs down everyone.....?
44. doublehammer (Posts: 75; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
no he isnt actually
the diff between android and iOS is that ALL android apps have a native feature that allows them to auto adjust to any resolution as well as properly zoom if need to. How do you think that any app is compatible across the wide range of android devices and tablets? iOS has no such feature and each resolution has to be individually added by the developer.
Thats also why there is the false cry about "lacking android tablet apps" compared to iOS. Technically like 99% of all Android apps are already compatible because of that aforementioned feature. They dont need a special "for tablets" separate section/app like you have with iOS. One app does both tablets and phones. Like everything there is a +/-. Apps are almost always auto compatible, but not all apps take up good use of the larger screens. Good app devs will go in and have it redraw to take better use of higher resolutions, but that is up to the dev. With apple, since tablet apps are seperate from phone apps, they have to be designed for the larger screen in mind, which is why they mostly seem to look nicer. Of course, I have yet to run into too many android apps on my tablet that DONT take advantage of the higher resolutions. That was more of an initial launch issue.
51. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
hahah doublehammer I would step in, but it looks like you've got the situation handled
59. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Alright..glad to say, I stand corrected then :)
64. remixfa (Posts: 13923; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
now how comes you never are thankful whenever I try to give you correct information? That hurts me deep man... deep!
25. khmer (Posts: 93; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
Exynos 5250 is 20 nm because the new internal 64 Gb memory chip is 20 nm and 2 Gb RAM are in used by Galaxy S3.
Apple will stay away from Samsung components in the future because Apple wanted to destroy Samsung phones and tablets by their crazy Patent Wars "the look and feel".
28. zhypher_23 (Posts: 195; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)
Now this is what I call innovation, a company that makes something from their own hands, not bought and calling it their own *patenting *cough *Apple *cough, this is what I want to see from Apple, come on Apple, give us some originality like what Samsung is doing even it's just once *lol :)
52. Nokia-Arte (banned) (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Omg just imagine this on the S4, with Quad-core, withalong Quad-core
overclock 477mhz graphics.
53. skymitch89 (Posts: 1072; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
About time that they send out some news. They've been working on this for a while, and I'm actually a bit disappointed that they didn't include this in the US variant of the GS3 and the Galaxy Tab 2 7 & Galaxy Tab 2 10.1. It would be nice to see it come out in the Note 2.