Samsung CEO debunks the webOS rumor, says it's working on software "harder than people on the outside think"
So much for anything else on Samsung's tablets but Android and Windows. The more interesting for us part, though, was the statement that, on the software side of things, Samsung is working "harder than people on the outside think".
We outsiders are not thinking anything actually, besides the fact that the Koreans are evidently stepping it up on that front. Samsung hired Cyanogen, expressed interest in the guys behind the MIUI custom ROMs, and launched its own platform-agnostic messaging service ChatON.
Thus, we will wait the next generation of its Android handsets and tablets with Ice Cream Sandwich, curious how Samsung is planning to overhaul the TouchWiz UI, which, albeit functional, for now is its only Achilles heel.
1. ImAll4it (unregistered)
Oh yes,SGS3- 4.5 super amoled plus HD, 2ghz dual core or quad core exynos 2, 2 gig of ram 32 gig of space, and sammys own optimized OS= wow
5. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
And that samsungs own OS is bada of course ! : )
2. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 1668; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)
YESSSS!! BRING ON THE BADA OS!! LMAO!!! NOT!!!!!!!
4. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
This is what i've been saying guys !
Samsung is working hard on bada, of course they are probably working a little bit on touchwiz for Android as well, but their main goal is to develop bada. If you can't uncerstand what i have been saying all the time, now Samsung has come out and said it themselves. If you still do not believe they are working hard on developing bada, then you'r a sheep.
8. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Pete, very few of us have a problem with Bada. Matter of a fact, except for You Tube, very few of us have seen Bada. We know it is a developing OS. I believe Samsung is serious about it. Our only problem is that you are only looking at Bada through a fan boys eyes. It is only available in a few markets. It is not a huge money maker. Most importantly of all Samsung is a smart, smart company. They see how much infrastructure it takes to keep up both software and hardware. This not the 2007/2009 mobile market anymore, when everything was exploding. This is the 2011/2012 market, where speed and effieciency is everything. Android and WP7 (yes, your mortal enemy WP7) provides that. An Andriod overlay gives Samsung it's own touch at a fraction of the cost of Bada development. A couple of efforts from the W7 side gives them diversity. Then they can develop Bada at a comfortable, economical pace. Sure, it is a nice back up plan in case of an Andriod melt down. But it will never be as profitable as a FREE OS just needing an overlay and good hardware.
Notice how this article doesn't even mention Bada??? We sure did. Relax. You will always have it. But Android sales SUPPORTS the development of Bada. You should be cheering for the Galaxy lines to be a huge success.
9. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
I don't believe i'm seeing this through a fan boy's wiew. When it comes to OSes im qute open minded, and that is for example why i am going to buy the Nokia N9, since it looks like a great product and a great OS. That is also why i bought my Omnia 7, to check out WP7 to see if it was good or not. I loved the hardware on the Omnia 7, but as you probably know, i did not like software.
This is also the reason i used Android earlier, but when bada came out, i thought that it was better than Android, and therefore switched to bada. After that i have also been using Symbian some time (nokia N8) but i have gone back to bada. And just the last weeksi got myself the Nokia X7 to try out symbian once again. And again i have gone back to bada. So you see, i'm not a fanboy in that sense that all i think is that bada is the best and all other OSes are rubbish, that is taco and miz, not me. I like bada, but i also try other OSes.
When reading the article i noticed it didn't mention bada. But Samsung said that "it is working harder than people on the outside think" and that is referring to software.
Now if samsung is working harder on software than people think, wouldn't that make sense to be that they are working harder on bada than most people think since bada is their own OS ?
And think of it like this. If samsung sells 19 million Android phones per quarter, or if they sell 19 million bada phones per quarter, on which OS would they make more money ?
Answer is bada of course.
And that is what Samsung are thinking, they wan't to have their own software, just like Google and Apple does.
10. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
No, they won't make more money on Bada phones. Which is why you are looking at it from a fan boys eyes, not through a buisness sense. You may think you are not, but the first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem.
For Bada, which is their software, they need to pay for an entire research and development department just for Bada. Employees, testing, upgrades, facilities, ecte, ect. Android is F-R-E-E for them to use. They just adjust hardward to the OS. They do no development, no upgrades, pay no building costs, ect, ect.
Seriously, Pete- if software and hardware were cheaper and more profitable, why wouldn't all the huge handset makers do it? Because Android, and to a smaller extent Microsoft, make it a higher profit margin due to them not having to dump money into the software. Pure buisness common sense. Nothing to do with what is better, it has everything to do with what is more profitable. Bada never will be.
11. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
Let's take this step by step.
First, you are right that Android is free. But Samsung still has costs on Android, developing touchwiz for Android, employees testing it and so forth.
Samsung has development costs with bada, but as said they do have that as well with Android. And Microsoft wants licensing money from every sold Samsung Android phone. That would mean, there is VERY high costs for Samsung selling android.
Also, when Google start making their first googlerola phone, Samsung will be out of business with Android, and they need to look somewhere else to make profit, and of course bada is what they will use. They won't make any profit on Android when google start making their first googlerola phone.
Secondly, Samsung earn money from the samsungapps app store. With Android they do not earn any money on the Android market.
And last, there are several big handset makers making both the hardware and software.
Apple, right now the largest phone manufacturer.
Nokia, was by far the largest phone manufacturer before they announced Symbian dead, but still they are number 3 with their own OS, even though they have killed Symbian.
Microsoft, will likely start making their own phones as well, since they are coming with their own tablets, or possibly they might buy Nokia.
Palm, they had their own OS and their own hardware. quite a lot of years back they where by faaaar the biggest smartphone maker. Unfortunately they went bankrupt.
And of course we have Google. In case you did not know it, as soon as the moto google deal is trough, ever motorola phone sold, is a Google phone sold since google owns motorola. Google is making their own os and their own hardware.
And we then have Samsung, who develop bada and make their own hardware.
12. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
your conspiracy theorys about samsung dumping android because google gives motorola some super preference will never prove to be true.
peter, your a good guy, but you are the ultimate fanboy for bada if you want to admit it or not. Every scenario you come up with doesnt make sence for anyone but a Bada lover. you keep trying to tell us that samsung is going to throw away its golden goose in android and in the next year or 2 make bada this huge OS rival. Neither part will ever happen. Google isnt going to become a phone maker through motorola. Bada will never go mainstream.
Im glad you love it, but it doesnt stand a chance here in america or in direct competition with iOS or android.
13. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
I have been talking to several people, who definitely not are fanboys. They have had quite alot of knowledge in the mobile industry and in business, and all of them say that there is a 99.99 % chance that google will make their own phone. In fact, as soon as the deal is trough, Google will already be making their own phones, since they own motorola.
Now i'm not saying this just because everyone else is saying that google will buy motorola. I myeself have some exprience in the business area, and the chances that google will give favours to motorola are very high.
please note, i'm NOT SAYING THAT SAMSUNG WILL DITCH ANDROID AT THE MOMENT. I'm saying that samsung will likely continue with Android for a couple of years, but everyone will notice that the main efforts from samsung is with bada, and you will se more advertisements for bada, and samsung will gradually come with more bada phones and less android phones and in maybe by 2014-2015 Samsung line of smartphones will only consist of bada phones.
Everyone with business konwledge understand that samsung can't put all their eggs in one basket like Nokia has done, that would be just insane.
14. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Sigh... we are trying, Pete.
TouchWiz is developed at Samsung's cost. At a micro-fraction of developing it's own OS. Google does all the heavy lifting and development, Samsung puts an skin on it. Pennies on the dollar compared to an OS of their own.
Yes, Nokia was the largest phone manufacturer with Symbian. And was going broke trying to maintain software and hardware. That is why they bailed for W7. Again, a fraction of the ecostructure needed. They can increase their profits, even selling less handsets just due to not developing and maintaining their own OS.
RIM stock is crashing, their profits shrinking, and the length between devices is extended because they have to keep up their entire ecosystem themselves. They have handed their competition every advantage in the book. They will continue to lose money just to keep up all their obligations to their old handsets and develop new.
Palm/HP/WeBOS. Nuff said.
Android bought Motorola for their patents to protect Android, their huge billion dollar money maker. They have already put out their own line of phones, the Nexus. They have someone else do the hardware for them. What will they do with Motorola??? Every expert who has analized this purchase (here at P.A., Fierce Wireless, Wall Street Journal) has said the same thing: THEY WILL OWN THEM BUT LEAVE THEM ALONE OR SELL THE HARDWARE SIDE. If they keep them, the 300 million or so profit Moto shows will pay back the purchase price, and they will keep making Android, feature, and basic cell phones. Google can not afford, nor by their own words do they want to, stop putting out Android to all those other handset makers. THEY WOULD LOSE BILLIONS!!
Samsung will develop Bada. Hopefully, they will not disappoint you. But unless Android gets it's legs sliced out by patent lawsuits, they will never ever ever drop it for Bada completely.
15. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
By the way, I will give you Apple. But, they develop and promote the living dog-snot out of one line of product. (1 Tablet, 1 Phone, ect.) They can wait 2 years between iPhones and iPads due to people buying the Apple name. No other company can duplicate that success. Willing to put money (just a little, mind you) they will have to look at their system in a few more years.
17. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
I'm not goint to use all my time arguing with you, when i have better things to do. like developing for bada and playing with my bada phones.
Everyone who understands anything about business know's that Samsung won't put all their eggs in on basket like nokia did with WP7.
Nokia had the biggest market share with Symbian and symbian 3, but when they killed symbian and annouced WP7, that's when the sales of symbian stopped and android overtook symbian in market share. You see, Nokia did very well with Symbian 3 despite Mr elop trying to convince you it did not.
22. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
So you DEVELOP for Bada?? Then, in that case, I sincerely hope you are right and we are all wrong!! If you have a financial stake in Bada's success, and I am just enjoying arguing mobile because I enjoy the tech, one of us has more invested. You get a pass in my world!! Complete truce from me, and good luck, Pete!! My apologies if you took it personnel!
28. protozeloz (Posts: 5371; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Personal opinion from dev to dev ... no matter how much you are a fan of a platform you will ever stick with it as your income. Work for various platforms and if one day one of them dies you have apps and a reputation on others =) and I'm serious. I currently like Android but that does not mean I don't have plans on making every app I make available on the top OS's
I'll cook a reply for your other post later
25. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you realize that you are saying u think within 2 years samsung is going to dump android? lololol. sorry peter but its not feasable. i know a great deal about business and that would be samsung commiting financial suicide.
google is not going to use motorola as their personal android maker. how hard is that to understand. i dont know WHO u keep talking to but they are iDiots. Its not in google's best interest to do so, its in YOURS. If samsung drops android then yea they will concentrate on bada, which is exactly what you want. sorry but bada doesnt even have a 1% stake in the mobile worldwide marketplace. only the biggest quack in the world would drop the OS that has a near 50% worldwide stake that they are making record profits and sales off of, for an OS that doesnt even have a 1% stake and most people either dont know about or choose other OS's instead of it. I know u love bada, but its just not reality.
7. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
First, i'm right here, second please don't swear : )
I've already posted here, post number 4.
16. lol1234 (unregistered)
such lenghty comments... my eyes hurt :D :D
19. peter griffin (unregistered)
One fact about me first: i have used symbian, ios, android, wp7 and bada for a long time. I just have to say bada was the biggest crap of all. I don't want to offend the other peter, but to focus on bada would be the death of Samsung mobile.
Bada 2.0 looks like a cheap copy of android, not only because they use touchwiz or both. Samsung apps is very very poor. It's flooded with themes and it's garderobenschublade to find useful apps. And when you find one, it is very slow missing features. Nobody is interested in creating apps.
So why should anybody buy bada, when they can have real Smartphones without hundreds of bugs and real apps?
Bada Phones didnt sell because bada. They sold them because of cheap and good hardware.
With the interest in miui and cyanogen it's pretty clear which way they will take. They want to offen the best android experience, not only because of hardware.
21. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)
I have used bada for a ling time, and i can honestly tell you that i have not experiences a single bug on any om my bada phones.
Apps, there are not that many apps for bada (6500), but most of the apps are high quality apps. If you have had problems finding them, then you look in the wrong category. I can tell you of many high quality apps.
Weatherbug, AP news, Accuweather, Slice it, Norbsoft Skymap, BBC good food recipes, Brothers in arms 2, modern combat sandstorm, Nova, Touchretouch, Fingerphysics, fruitninja, Image blender, Colortouch, badasports, berlitz dictionary, SPB Tv...
And all of the apps are very fast, i don't get where you get that from.
20. peter griffin (unregistered)
Damn autocorrection : i mean damn hard not garderobenschublade.
23. peter griffin (unregistered)
Agps is broken, that is proofen by the community. only slow regular GPS is working. still unfixed in bars 2 betas.
browser is broken since baba 1.2. URL plops in when scrolling, fixed with bada 2.
browser often displays site too big and can't open it.
games often quit because they are running out of memmory.
pop3 folders are broken.
Widgets have to be removed often, guess why....
and there are many more bugs which I was not the only one having them.
quality apps, you must be kidding...
have you used facebook and twitter? have you seen the apps you mentioned on other systems? most of them are running better and have more features.
believe me, I tried a lot of apps and games. bass versions are always the slowest ones with missing features.
26. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2938; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Hahaha Peter is to Bada as Taco is the IOS. jk
Seriously Peter, I respect ya for loving your OS but you are just being silly if you ever think in a million years Samsung is going to drop Android. It's painfully obvious, even a blind man could see that Android has been the number 1 cash cow for Samsung. Samsung's most popular devices by far have been the Galaxy S series devices that ALL run Android.
I know you are wishing and dreaming that Bada would become as mainstream and popular as Android or IOS but it's never going to happen. I doubt there will ever be a Bada phone on a US carrier. Maybe, maybe a extremely low cost no contract prepaid phone but that's it.