Rumored and confirmed specs for the upcoming BlackBerry Z10
0. phoneArena 24 Dec 2012, 02:00 posted on
While the Z10 name and many of the specs are still not 100% confirmed, a couple specifications appear...
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1. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
Nice Specs. I doubt New BB devices will be able to use 2 GB RAM for the lack of apps. But we will never know. I hope BB10 is good competition. But, I want BBM to die.
4. tiara6918 (Posts: 1497; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
RIM has developed 70,000 apps already and I'm sure that will still grow. I don't want bbm to be gone but for it to be also available to android,wp,ios
36. joaolx (Posts: 362; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
RIM developed 70,000 apps? Are you sure it weren't app developers and not RIM?
38. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1098; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
first thing it was app developers not RIM thats why they released the dev alpha devices.
Second the processor, screen and battery are not exactly 2013 flagship material....this phone aint gonna sell...period!
40. skaar18 (Posts: 31; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
Aint gonna sell? I told my self that when i saw the iphone 4s specs... And the iphone 5 specs.... I was wrong and i believe you will be wrong
53. 90ninjas (Posts: 106; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
That was quite the ridiculous comment... seeing as the iPhones will sell no matter what the specs because of their loyal followers.
61. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1098; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
yeah mate Aplle has big brand image with a very loyal fan base...and currently RIM has neither. people are going to be very critical about their first major device overhaul and if all they can come up with is some mid-range specs in 2013 and knowing RIM they always price their phones at premium price...it aint gonna sell
74. donfem (Posts: 554; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
I guess you travelled around the globe and realized there are no loyal fan base? If and when the phone comes out, steer clear if you don't want to buy but stop exposing your ignorance with your thoughts.
63. joaolx (Posts: 362; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
The iphone 4s or 5 might not have groundbreaking specs but they perform equal or better than most high end phones. RIM lost all of the followers they had since the iphone and android released. They dont have what it takes to bring back all of them. BBM have always sucked, imo.
67. stychill (unregistered)
"RIM lost all of the followers", were did you get the information for that ridiculous statement?
68. joaolx (Posts: 362; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Not all the followers but people went for the best, android and ios. And started to ignore bbm because it was overpriced and outdated. How many people do i know that talk about bbm now? Almost none, and when they do talk it's for the same reasons. But a couple of years ago i knew a lot of people with bbm, people move on for what's best. And honestly, i think bbm was always overated. And, probably, this new device will be overated as well.
75. donfem (Posts: 554; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
Some people make general statements here and take it as facts. Ridiculous
41. Googlethis (Posts: 170; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I think if they market it correctly and they keep getting developers for applications it will do very well we will just have to wait and see.
56. speckledapple (Posts: 879; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
I think RIM is aiming for the mid range and business market that often do not look for flagship phones and instead stick to solid builds that allows all company goodness to be run on it.
62. joaolx (Posts: 362; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Totally agree. RIM has was sold overpriced products with low end or mid specs. I remember seeing in a store a blackberry with a 528mhz cpu, 256mb ram, 2 mp camera and it had the same price as the galaxy ace. And it had blackberry os 7 which as been outdated since it was released.
5. onggeo (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
Maybe not for a single app but I guess it'll help when it comes to multi-tasking.
7. pankajgupta (Posts: 59; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Thats a strong statement "I want BBM to die"..
Every platform brings something new and innovation.
Blackberry brought BBM (secure messaging).
Email integration and other secure services were provided by BB when there were no others.
Why people want a company to fail when its a bit down and is trying to revive ... Ridiculous..
People say the same for Nokia also.
All have been good and are now trying hard to be Up.
Lets have more choices. :)
11. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
Ridiculous? When did I say I want company to fail? I perfer competition. I like BB10. It has some exclusive features. I don't want company to fail. I said, I hope it stays in competition. I hate it when they try to bring exclusive apps and force choices on consumer. We too are stake holders. Bring exclusive features like encryption between BB devices. But make it cross platform too. Why can't I talk to my friends who prefers BB? I prefer watsapp. Its not coming to BB. I don't like that either. If situations allow, I would switch to something else, Gree messenger may be.
43. pankajgupta (Posts: 59; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Bro, you did not exactly wrote you want company to fail.
You wrote: you want company to die.
Read your last line of Post No. 1. :)
22. flower99 (banned) (Posts: 54; Member since: 18 Nov 2012)
screen size as same as iphone just 0.2inch wide, but 35xppi? thats a retina killer!! i hope cm10 available on bb10 so we can root this babe :)
34. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 888; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
What part of blackberry can't you read? Root a blackberry and install CyanogenMod 10?
54. 90ninjas (Posts: 106; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
Shouldn't that be the other way around? "I hope we can root this babe so cm10 can become available"
Either way.... I don't expect this to happen at all.
24. tigermcm (Posts: 743; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)
I get what you're saying. I hate this BBM thing seriously kill it or make it cross platform. Can't stand checking my FB only to see weekly updates to ppls BBM pins like seriously??? just kill it
25. JC557 (Posts: 1150; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
Would BB10 be able to use Android apps or is it totally different from QNX? So far from what I hear it should be easy to port over Android apps to BB10 (crackberry).
29. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
If it was easy to port, wouldn't RIM be screaming about how easy the port is?
47. downphoenix (Posts: 2378; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
actually RIM has spoke on several occassions about the ease to port to QNX. This is one of the reasons that despite poor sales, the playbook has a pretty healthy library of apps. Despite it being a "Dead" platform, companies like Halfbrick have recently ported all their games over. Despite being dead, it got Angry Birds Space several months before Windows Phone did, which just recently got it. Im sure a lot of app developers probably wouldnt have bothered with Playbook if not for this functionality. Playbook OS also plays nicely with BB10 I would assume, because having 70k apps at launch is an impressive milestone, that is well beyond what any other platform launch had, and I don't see how they could achieve that if current Playbook apps didnt port over easily.
50. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Have RIM said anything about porting apps to BB10? In the lead-up to the PlayBook launch, there were multiple articles about how easy it was to port apps. Fast-forward to now, and silence. Maybe RIM is satisfied with 70k apps in their ecosystem?
55. digicon (Posts: 121; Member since: 11 Aug 2011)
PlayBook and BB10 OS are one and the same . When the BB10 Phone is released , the PlayBook will update to BB10 Tablet . The phone will essentially be the tablet , with phone+ capabilities .
32. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Agreed I also want bbm to die a horrible death. Its the bane of any staff working in the phone industry as there's nearly always problems and issues with it,the blackberry server for it crashes a lot and it costs money to use on a daily basis. So many teenagers complaining on a weekly basis that their bbm s don't work and its nothing to do with the carrier networks as email and internet work fine on their handsets just BlackBerry servers are down etc :-(
2. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4103; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Nice specs for BB. I expect BB10 to be like WP in how it doesn't need much power to run, so an OMAP 4470 or S4 should do nicely. That battery is a little low, however. 2,000 mAh at least RIM, unless you do some crazy optimizations for battery life.
6. AliNSiddiqui (Posts: 381; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)
Apple only has a 1440 may battery so I think RIM are fine
12. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
Can't say. Lumia has close to 2000 mah and people at times complaint about it. Not sure what they are doing. I have seen people doing heavy gaming and complaining the phone doesnt last a day. WP8, BB10 and iOS follow the same meaning of "multi tasking", which actually isn't. So there is hope that BB10 is battery friendly.
26. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4103; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That's because Apple does crazy battery optimizations, and iOS isn't as much as a battery hog as other OS's.
30. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
Though I use Note 2 and battery life is stellar, I wish I could say the same for my Desire. If I let my device multi task for few hours it runs out. But if I run it like iOS (limiting background processes), it runs quite well. Android too needs battery optimization, imo.
72. JohnnyBravo (Posts: 105; Member since: 02 Dec 2012)
Its all about how the OS manages the battery. My nexus has a 2100 mAh battery and battery life blows! I refuse to get a higher batter for my phone because it will look like a big zit on the back of my phone. I think for their OS 1800 should be fine...not to mention is removable!!!!
8. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
its removable.... :)
27. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4103; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
True, but not everyone likes carrying extra batteries and going through the hassle of recharging them all every night, me included.
I don't see what people have against non-removable batteries. Just get an extended battery case; you have more battery, protection, and you can charge both batteries at the same time!
33. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
why do we have to carry more than one battery just becuase its removable?? just buy "one" bigger battery per say a 2100 battery from ebay when this ships and just use that one!.......you dont have to carry around more than one just cuz its removable.....
57. speckledapple (Posts: 879; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
Its called flexibility. Just like people like microSD cards, hard drives, or even bluray discs. People like the ability to purchase something and not have to confined to a specific amount of space. Granted there are plenty who still purchase the non-removeable battery, non microSD devices but they do not out number the ones that don't.
Bottom line, having a battery one can remove is a worthy option to keep and one reason I will never purchase a Droid DNA, iPhone, or any other device that puts so many limitations on what should be standard options.
73. JohnnyBravo (Posts: 105; Member since: 02 Dec 2012)
Most of my phones have had a removable battery but I dont carry any extra batteries with me. However, there is something to be said for when your battery is at 5% and all of the sudden you do a quick switch and you are back at 100% while the other battery charges waiting its turn. Buddy of mine operates that way. If you look at it its more efficient as his phone is never pluged. I think the moral of the story here children is OPTIONS! people love having options even if they dont use them. Just the thought of having them makes us happy.
31. FoneAddict (Posts: 206; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Agreed, specs seem decent and I really want them to succeed but the battery looks to be a weak link. Blackberry traditionally have a good reputation when it comes to battery life so they should not throw that reputation away with BB10.
49. downphoenix (Posts: 2378; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
previous bb phones were around 1000mah for batteries, so 1800 should be sufficient.
3. dwgit (Posts: 37; Member since: 24 Dec 2012)
Specs are so last year including the display cmon bb .next....
15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
That seems to be a congenital problem for RIM. The phones are going to be shipping effectively in 2Q2013. Up against Android flagship phones that almost to a manufacturer are quad core, 5 inch 1080p display and 2 Gb RAM with 16 Gb storage. Expect even MS (through its partners) to be pushing similar specs for 2013.
Yes, RIM may sell some BB10 phones to die-hard RIM fans (Palm even managed to make some sales). But you won't see anything approaching 20 million BB10 units sold in the remainder of 2013. And now, because of the way they changed the revenue model, RIM doesn't get a bunch of monthly recurring fees from the carriers - no wonder the carriers were so excited....
17. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
its not about specs all the time.....for alot its about brand! and also alot are jus looking for something new... give em time......nobodys expecting them to blow competition out of the water as soon as they launch, it will take a bit of time just like any platform has
18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
And those people will make up a significant part of the 20 million sales for 2013. The rest of the RIM universe will be waiting out their contracts.
What is the compelling value proposition that RIM is offering with BB10? Messaging hub? Android already has that. Apple would make the same argument. The Android ecosystem is sooo much larger than the BB ecosystem. Even MS can argue they have a larger ecosystem. Unless RIM has managed to convince the carriers to completely subsidize the purchase and offer brand new phones for free, I am trying to understand what the value proposition is.
I am not anti-RIM/BB. I just don't see what is going to motivate a potential buyer to decide on BB.
Expect to see the non-loyalist community move on.
19. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
well im glad you dont "see" it all and im glad you're "not" in control of peoples outcomes.......things you're saying is true no doubt but my question to you is, do you want to see them succeed?
20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
What I want doesn't really matter. I am attempting to apply some analytical thought to the challenge(s) facing RIM.
If RIM can not provide a compelling value proposition, they won't make the volume sales they need to make to survive, much less prosper. They have changed their revenue model to focus on handset sale revenues, so now they live or die based on selling phones.
Can you define a compelling value proposition for the BB10 phones (one that results in say, 20 million sales for the remainder of 2013)? For reference, MS appears to be on track to hit 20 million WP8 worldwide licenses for all of 2013. If RIM is going to remain relevant, it would seem to need to hold onto 3rd place. How does it hold off MS?
58. speckledapple (Posts: 879; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
RIM is offering the value I think for the target group they have in mind. If specs were only akin to the top phones there would be no mid range or low cost phones at all. They are aiming for the mid range business market which do not jump on to the flagship bandwagon each year and often stick with what works with their company software until they feel that they need an upgrade.
With that market in mind, these specs actually make more sense then most. They will not be direct competition for the high end flagships.
28. JC557 (Posts: 1150; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
Honestly the specs are good for its intended user base, just so long RIM prices it properly unless it has some feature that no one else has.
BB OS5 was very smooth on my BB Storm with such minimal specs so I expect fluid performance from this new phone.
9. ocilfa (Posts: 333; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)
Why dont android phones have specs like this? I dont mean cpu or display. Im talking micro-usb, micro-hdmi, micro-sd slot, and a removable battery.
10. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
they're shaping up REALLY nicely..........before i wasnt sure about an alternative for android but now it seems blackberry could be that for me! gonna wait and see how it all unfolds, but for now it feels like they could very well be in 3rd place..... very soon :)
16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Yeah, it can be used to bake cakes. Kind of like an update on the Easy Bake concept.
21. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
the specs are pretty nice. i did expect TI OMAP processor but i certainly didn't know it is going to have 2 gigs of RAM. battery might not be as good as 9780, but at least it will get through the day easily. enterprise companies still acknowledge RIM as a great enterprise phone and i expect pentagon to implement BB 10 in the near future
23. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5921; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Don't hold your breath waiting for the U.S. DoD to implement BB10 phones. They have moved on to Android and to a lesser extent, iOS.
One more data point - in Silicon Valley, the major enterprise players have moved to Android or iOS.
35. slaggyb (Posts: 192; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
POTUS still uses a blackberry... He was recently pictured with a bold 9900/9930.