Rumored Sony Honami mini won't downsize the specs
0. phoneArena 18 Aug 2013, 13:48 posted on
The latest trend with handset manufacturers is to make a"mini" version of their flagship phone. Samsung, HTC and even Motorola has done this; now, there is speculation that Japanese based OEM Sony will do the same with its upcoming new flagship model. The Sony i1 Honami is expected to be the first of Sony's new camera-centric phones and is scheduled to be introduced September 4th in Berlin...
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1. PapaSmurf (Posts: 6623; Member since: 14 May 2012)
If this is true, Sony will just call it Xperia _____ instead of Xperia _____ Mini. Seems like the best phone in the 4"-4.5" department.
21. Dunexus (Posts: 5; Member since: 22 Jul 2013)
If it's true, it will be mine !!
A just want a not-too-big (4"-4,5") high end device, this will be the only one to fight with the iPhone !
50. skyline88 (Posts: 239; Member since: 15 Jul 2013)
that iphone is already DBF (dead before fight)
37. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 547; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
Ya its a great news
not all flagship phone should carry 5"inch+ screen size many prefer lower size because they have small hands
Not everyone chooses same sized UnderWear, some prefer lower size and some prefer higher size because each have bigger and smaller a** respectively....
55. vincelongman (Posts: 630; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
I was very disappointed when I saw the rumor that the Honami is going is going to be bigger than the Xperia Z. I was hoping that it would be about the size as the Xperia ZL (the perfect size in my opinion).
But this Honami Mini with mostly the same specs is very very good news, I will defiantly consider this phone, even if its small than I like, its better than a phone that's too big (in my opinion).
3. AK4TAY7BEN (Posts: 5; Member since: 01 Aug 2013)
Hopefully the bezel downsizes as well... sounds interesting though
11. mafflambo (Posts: 16; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
that was also my first thought.. minimum bezel and touch buttons
can't wait to see it :))
16. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
If Ray 3 also dust and waterproof I doubt this phone will have bezelless body, I think the maximum size of Ray 3 would like Xperia V.
4. boosook (Posts: 774; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
This would sell like hot cake, but unfortunately I think it's a dream that will never come true.
5. Saafa (Posts: 27; Member since: 20 Mar 2013)
finally a mini monster!!:D
I love it!
6. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
MY DREAM PHONE MAY BE HERE!!! YES! Thank you Sony :)
7. amats69 (Posts: 827; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
If this is true..then it is a clear win for sony! Bring it on sony!Please! :)
8. pelop (Posts: 1; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
the "ray 3" has been announced back in april on the xda-developers forums
9. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
Rumors about Ray 3 has been circulating for a long time in esato forum, Ray 3 not just going to be the best Mini phones, but also the best Iphone 5S competitor.
10. roscuthiii (Posts: 1717; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
If this comes to pass... This will be my next phone. It's a 4.3" display so 720p is perfectly fine (for me) and that S800 + Adreno 330 with should push that little sucker into a speed demon, all while sipping the smallest amount of battery juice.
2GB RAM, SD card slot, & the Honami's 20.7MP camera?! Icing on the cake, followed by ice cream, followed by chocolate syrup and whipped cream.
The Honami Mini sounds like my perfect phone. Pardon me while I take some tissues to the bathroom.
12. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 598; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
This does sound like the Android I have been waiting for. I loved the One S because of its size, build quality, and speed, and this sounds like it will be in the same strata (Best performer) in relation to its super-sized brethren. I worry that Sony will screw up distribution, like they have with recent phones, but hopefully they are learning the lesson that mass distribution leads to mass adoption.
13. flynfree (Posts: 373; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
This is slap for those existing mini of other oem, good job Sony !!! This is what we're waiting for!!! In a compact size, like what they did in Xperia zl.
A 32 gig w/o sd slot in xchange of removable battery is better!!!
14. Feanor (Posts: 273; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
It only seems that Sony is dead serious about coming back. If this phone comes to be true with these specs, then it will indeed be the only device to deserve the name 'Flagship mini'. The HTC One Mini and particularly the Samsung GS4 Mini are just marketing terms. The have the same specs as mid-rangers but instead of being called Galaxy Ace or HTC Desire or whatever else, they are just called 'Flagship Mini' for marketing purposes.
15. papss (Posts: 3429; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
Now this could be a huge deal. I hope they do this. I often wondered why some of the top specs didn't come to a small chassis.
17. emadshiny (Posts: 1086; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
Just dont disappoint all of those who are patiently waiting for such a beast.
RAY3 lovers are waiting...
18. flynfree (Posts: 373; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
We're hoping it is true, and will distributed to four major US carrier. It is time for Sony to beat them all in small and mid sizes flagship phones.
I admit that Samsung is still my favorite handset because of it's removable batt, but size sometimes matter, and the majority consumer's were looking a compact high end phone.
19. Taters (Posts: 2374; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
If they don't underclock the s**t out of the s800 Sony is doing it wrong. Sure this is good for spec heads but terrible for your PR and marketing department when your mini version crushes your flagship in everything except maybe screen fidelity.
Keeping the same CPU is fine but you have to scale down the clockspeed along with the screen and battery. Just try and do it discretely like Apple does with the A6x vs A6. In reality the A6X destroys the s**t out of the A6 but Apple gets a pass because it is still an A6 on the iphone albeit a severely neutered one.
Sorry fanboys, an S800 clocked at 2.3 ghz is just going to waste battery on a 720p screen and make your Honami flagship seem slow in comparison. Sony better not do this because the only people this will appease is Phonearena fanboys. Everyone else would be fine with a underclocked Qualcomm 600 or even an S4 pro.
20. wrm2013 (Posts: 121; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
Finally a company with a brain. (mini doesnt mean kill the specs)
24. Taters (Posts: 2374; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Seems that a lot of you are clueless about this. Mini does mean kill the specs. A good way of looking at specs for the mini devices is this. Roy Jones Junior doesn't need to weight as much, or be as tall, or have as long of a reach as say Lennox Lewis to dominate his weight class. Yes his specs are way s**ttier than Lennox Lewis but relative to his size and weight class, he is just as much of a flagship boxer if not more so.
Same thing with the iphone 5.
Less than 720p
1.2ghz dual core
1gb of ram
1400 mah battery
and people have no problems calling it a flagship yet they somehow expect smaller Android phones to have the same specs as the 1080p beasts that actually need that power and that huge battery to run well? What kind of retarded logic is that?
5/10 is the same as 1/2. Exactly the same despite the former having much higher numbers. In my opinion, all the mini flagships except for the screen have scaled perfectly fine and anything more is just going to a) make the real 1080p flagship look slow and who wants that or b) be a total waste of the already shrunken battery and overkill.
29. Feanor (Posts: 273; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
Sorry dude but your argument is not entirely correct. I wouldn't mind the downscaling of specs if it didn't affect the overall experience. But both Samsung and HTC have downscaled the specs in a way that puts their respective Minis square in the middle segment. E.g., I wouldn't mind if the Galaxy S4 Mini did away with the FHD screen if they kept at least an HD resolution above 300ppi. But qHD or whatever it is, is a massive downgrade which doesn't deserve the Galaxy S4 moniker. Similarly the HTC One Mini ought to keep the signature OIS camera module. And so forth. There is a stage in downgrading where you end up a mid-ranger rather than a downsized flagship.
31. Taters (Posts: 2374; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Those mini versions might have missed the mark slightly, HTC One Mini is mainly size because no one actually gives a crap about IOS despite what the Nokia fans say. But that doesn't matter really.
The main thing is that the battery life is going lick if they do not scale down that CPU a bit. The battery is much smaller and the screen will use less power but it won't use that much less power. And this thing is going to outperform the 1080p Honami in everything except screen quality and battery life. Not a message I think Sony should send where the mini version beats the crap out of the flagship version in benchmarks and performance.
They should use the S600 or an underclocked S800 period.
33. Feanor (Posts: 273; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
To this I can agree. As I said, the overall experience matters, a slightly downgraded processor would probably be just fine to move around the reduced amount of pixels. But an HD resolution, a non-downgraded camera and same design and materials should remain.
40. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3656; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That's why I think Motorola really nailed down the "mini" segment of the market with the Droid mini. Same exact specs as the Ultra and Maxx, just with a smaller display (of a different technology) and smaller battery. Same resolution display, same SoC, same amount of RAM, and same camera. In a way, the Droid mini is actually better than the Ultra and Maxx because of the higher density display.
Anyways, more on topic, the Snapdragon 800 will completely drain the battery on the Honami mini. Though frame rates will go through the roof with the Adreno 330 pushing a 720p display, it's not worth the hit to battery life. Either under clock the hell out of the S800 or use a S600. Otherwise, it seems to be one of the better devices in the "mini" category.
44. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 799; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
A 1.7ghz sSD600 would be perfect for that mini version in my opinion.
39. wrm2013 (Posts: 121; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
Why does making a phone with a screen smaller mean the camera, ram, and processor has to suck?
42. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3656; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Because without a larger screen to make the device bigger, there's less room to expand the battery unless you make it extremely thick. What's the use of having a top of the line processor in a smaller device if the battery dies half way through the day?
As Shatter explains in comment #38, it's like comparing desktops to laptops. Desktops allow higher performing parts because there's more room to work with to allow better thermal management and power consumption.
38. Shatter (Posts: 1766; Member since: 29 May 2013)
"(mini doesnt mean kill the specs)"
Yes it does, mini can not get rid of as much heat or have as big of a battery, it also has much less space to work with. That means they must dumb down the parts to keep the phone at an acceptable temperature and have good battery life. Think desktop vs laptop when comparing small phones to phablets/tablets.
22. SonyPS4 (Posts: 221; Member since: 21 May 2013)
If this is true then it gonna kill Samsung and HTC with their fake flagship mini.
61. amats69 (Posts: 827; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
I agree that if this is true it will kill samsung and htc mini...but the "fake" thing sounds like fanboyism....
23. taz89 (Posts: 1946; Member since: 03 May 2011)
If true this is great but I hope they don't keep huge bezels where its not that much smaller than the original like the one to the one mini but try and make it one of the smallest 4.3" phones aka like the s4 mini which if it only had a 720p screen and 16gb mem I would have considered but the good thing about the s4 mini is that even though its 4.3" its almost identical in size to the 4" iPhone 5...if Sony manage to keep the phone small and indeed have the said spec than I think it will be am awesome device that will be considered by many. To be honest for me it doesn't even need to have the s800, 600 is more than good enough for me, but the screen to bezel ratio for me is important.
28. mafflambo (Posts: 16; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
screen to bezel ratio and screen resolution are very important
35. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
Yeah sure Ray 3 “will not be considered by many” people if Sony keep those huge bezels like 4.3” Xperia V (wich only 4.4 mm taller and 3.7 mm wider).
forget about powerful chipset, big battery, beautiful and sharp HD display, premium materials, class leading camera or dust and waterproofing
because screen to bezel ratio is the most important things that any phone should have.
I think any 4.3” phones with thicker (even only few mm more) bezels than S4 Mini, will make any normal human not be able to use it and there is likely to injure their hands.
I also hope Apple make bezelles Iphone 5S, so it will not longer almost identical in size to 4.3” S4 Mini.
25. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 838; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
Good to see the slow news weekend end with positive Sony news.
26. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 838; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
"The Sony Honami mini has a code name of Ray3."
Don't remind me of that reviewer.
27. Eonnaydra (Posts: 185; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
It would be a mistake to call it Mini.People will think that it will have downsized specs and performance.It will be a lot of confusion.
Anyway,if this rumour is gonna be true I will definitely buy this phone.It will be a hit.
30. Jonathan41 (Posts: 526; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
Nice to finally see an Android phone under 4.5" coming out with these specs. Should come crush the annoying "Flagship Android phone are too big to use comfortably" argument.
32. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5639; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
I'll wait for full final specs on Sept 4th between the HONAMI or the Z ULTRA.
34. livyatan (Posts: 560; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
Overkill specs for the size?
If you have a 4.3'' screen, you won't try to emulate a pc usage on it.
I understand a Snapdragon 800 in a Phablet or a 5'' flagship, but on a small 720p screen, the underclocked S600 for example, would be more than enough.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a bad phone in any way, but it simply seems like a compact car with a supercar's engine
36. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
Not everyone likes the oversized 5 "+ phones, There are many people who want a phone with a reasonable size and the best performance.
I guess that's one reason why Iphone sold in the market.
43. taz89 (Posts: 1946; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Very true , I have the s4 and do like it but if the phone was 4.5" with minimal bezel like the s4 it would have almost been the perfect size..the 5" for me is just about usable with hand but 4.5 would be just right..because I've been using large screen devices for a while I don't really want to go back to anything too small which is why I do think 4.5 for many will be perfect with small bezels..the s4 mini is just the right size and I'm pretty sure a 4.5" will fit into that size..I compareds the bezels of the s4 to the mini and the mini has tad bigger bezels so am guessing if they made the bezel size same as the s4 it would be possible..I think OEMS and even some tech writers need to realise having a small screen doesn't mean small device as the actual device size is important..the z10 had a 4.2" screen but was pretty much same size as the the 4.8" s3 yet so many people kept on saying its easier to handle assuming it was a smaller device due to the screen size when in fact it was still as large as some of the large screen devices out there.
56. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
I don’t really care about screen to bezel ratio, i’m sure any normal adult human is able to use 4.3”-4.5” phones with thick bezels like Xperia V/SP/ZR or One Mini.
for 4.3”-4.5” devices Stereo speakers, Costumizeable LED Notification Light, dust and waterproofing is much more useful than screen to bezel ratio.
59. taz89 (Posts: 1946; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Am just one of those that prefer to get the biggest screen possible out of the smallest form factor.. I just don't like excessive bezels and what annoys me the most is when a screen with a small screen screen is bigger than a phone with a bigger a screen or its the same size as a big phone.. I see it like this, if you going for a small a screen because you want a smaller phone but the bezels make it big as a bigger phone then you might aswel just get that bigger screen phone.. Agree that 4.3-4.5 any normal person can use easily but take the moto X it's 4.7 yet it's like a 4.5" device.. If there's a phone with a large screen In a small form factor vs a small screen in a bigger form factor, for me the bezel the ratio wins cause what's the point of a small screen if it doesn't really give you a small phone.. Again am not asking for super slim bezels but I like the s4 bezel ratio.. The thing with Sony phones is that even though they use onscreen buttons they still have bigger bezels compared to say the s4 which has physical buttons.
41. Bedz81 (Posts: 42; Member since: 30 Dec 2012)
Remember people, the ZR is a scaled down version of the Z, too bad about it's distribution
46. FaisalWibowo11 (Posts: 39; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
I think there is something telling me that the mini version of honami will sell more than the 5" honami. Correct me if i'm wrong.
With those specs, the honami mini will surely crush iphone 5s, galaxy s4 mini plus htc one mini, this ain't even a match because it is too one sided.
47. spiderpig2894 (Posts: 396; Member since: 10 Jan 2012)
Haters. Haters everywhere. Other fanboys hate the downscaled spec minis of other manufacturers now there is a rumor about Sony not downscaling it they bash and troll around. BTW the mini trend is started by Sony for Androids and big manufacturers made it trending
48. AfterShock (Posts: 1275; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Might want, need to feel.
Sony is on a roll of sorts, hope they can maintain the momentum.
49. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
Some people here are just quick to Google the specs of the phone and trying hard to find it's pros and cons, when they actually haven't seen and use it. Truly talented persons!
51. oister85 (Posts: 385; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
I wonder what carrier is going to have in the u.s
52. keylimejelly (banned) (Posts: 22; Member since: 16 Aug 2013)
this is a great news for my those 5 friends who refused to accept 5 inch honami
now they will definately purchase this mini version
i am 1000000% sure
53. Genersis (Posts: 167; Member since: 29 May 2013)
I serious doubt it's specs will not be downscaled.
If Sony does somehow manage it, and still has a decent battery life and isn't too big, I might consider it.
Though, thinking about it, it would probably carry a near flagship price, so maybe not...
54. keylimejelly (banned) (Posts: 22; Member since: 16 Aug 2013)
RickyD on esato has been told that
Honami is better than Lumia 1020 for imaging
his source is a photographic artist who works for.sony mobile in china and has used and.seen.honami
check RickyD's comment-----
57. ollienightly (Posts: 37; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
I wish Qualcomm made a dual-core Krait 400 with Adreno 320/330. Quad-core is so useless when it constantly overheats (and downclocks)