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Rumor talks Nexus 5 price, and possible Nexus 4 LTE model

0. phoneArena 15 Oct 2013, 09:05 posted on

Remember back when Google redesigned the Nexus landing page and left open some room for speculation by labeling the phone section with the plural "phones"? We had hoped against hope that little clue would mean two new Nexus handsets this year, and a new rumor has an interesting theory on what may be accompanying the new Nexus 5 this year...

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posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:07 4

1. cezarepc (Posts: 502; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


Fully functioning LTE Nexus 4.. sweet.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:14 5

11. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Another baseless rumor called news to generate web traffic brought to you by phonearena

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:24 5

13. Gsizzle (Posts: 34; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)


How do you find this information useless? The pricing leak is definitely essential to those who are saving up for to buy the device.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:50 4

21. jellmoo (Posts: 622; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


For the love of... It's called a rumour for a reason. It's tip based speculation. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong. It's clearly labeled as a rumour, so nobody will mistake it for hard news.

They wrote a bloody article about this only a couple of days ago. It's one of the reasons people read tech blogs. Are you seriously suggesting that they stop publishing rumours altogether?

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 16:33

47. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Unverifiable rumors should not be published. Its disgraceful of a media outlet to publish every half baked second hand rumor they come across. Clearly, phonearena doesn't care.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 17:12 1

51. jeck77 (Posts: 25; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)


Clearly, you care about rumors, otherwise you wouldn't have clicked on an article with the word "Rumor" right in the headline.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 17:29

53. jellmoo (Posts: 622; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


So then you never wish to hear anything about upcoming devices? You never want to hear tidbits of information? None of these things are ever 100% verifiable. Some of them pan out, some do not.

If you find it insulting and disgraceful, might I suggest not clicking on articles that have the word "Rumour" in the title.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 17:49

57. ChazzMatt (Posts: 13; Member since: 26 Sep 2013)


This article is complete hogwash. There will be no "Nexus 4 LTE" . Google only releases one model per year, to influence design. The Nexus 5 is 2013 Nexus phone, there will be no others. It's unlocked, has multiple LTE bands, CDMA, HSPA+ is 4.96" with full HD 1080p, 2GB RAM, 8PM OIS camera and comes with Snapdragon 800. PLUS, it's a hair smaller than the Nexus 4. Yeah, they packed a 4.96" 1080p display into a case a hair smaller than last year's 4.7" 720 Nexus 4.

And it will be PRICED close to last year's Nexus 4.

If they re-released a Nexus 4, even with LTE, it would LOSE in all the benchmark tests as CPUs have moved on. Google is not going to do something stupid like that. They have a winner with the LG G2-based Nexus 5 -- and they will be going full throttle with that.

Google looks forward, they don't look back. There will not be a "runner up" Nexus, it will only be the gen5 Nexus 5.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 14:23

35. apple4never (Posts: 920; Member since: 08 May 2013)


it better have some badass specs bump up or a cheap ass price other wise why wouldnt i get a n5

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 17:48

56. ChazzMatt (Posts: 13; Member since: 26 Sep 2013)


This article is complete hogwash. There will be no "Nexus 4 LTE" . Google only releases one model per year, to influence design. The Nexus 5 is 2013 Nexus phone, there will be no others. It's unlocked, has multiple LTE bands, CDMA, HSPA+ is 4.96" with full HD 1080p, 2GB RAM, 8PM OIS camera and comes with Snapdragon 800. PLUS, it's a hair smaller than the Nexus 4. Yeah, they packed a 4.96" 1080p display into a case a hair smaller than last year's 4.7" 720 Nexus 4.

And it will be PRICED close to last year's Nexus 4.

If they re-released a Nexus 4, even with LTE, it would LOSE in all the benchmark tests as CPUs have moved on. Google is not going to do something stupid like that. They have a winner with the LG G2-based Nexus 5 -- and they will be going full throttle with that.

Google looks forward, they don't look back. There will not be a "runner up" Nexus, it will only be the gen5 Nexus 5.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:08 2

2. nexusdude (Posts: 139; Member since: 22 Aug 2013)


Long live the Mako!

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:11 6

3. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7354; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Nexus + LTE + reasonable price = tech lover's dream come true.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:12 1

4. jackwins (Posts: 15; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)


WHEN IS THIS DEVICE COMING OUT!?!?! I WANT IT!!!

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:24 2

7. scriptwriter (Posts: 396; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


Nobody knows. No press invites have been received for the launch. This is why everybody is going mad with excitement.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:22 2

5. TylerGrunter (Posts: 861; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


I think the rumor is ridiculous.
Why would they have been selling the Nexus 4 at $199 amd $249 then? That would mean a perception on the consumer of a $50 increase for the same phone in all areas with no 4G wich is the mayority of the world.
The rumor would make sense is the Nexus 4 LTE starts at $249, and then $50 up for evey increase till $399 for the Nexus 5 with 32 GB.
Other than that customers would be unhappy all over the world and it woul be a shame on Google.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:32 2

8. NexusPhan (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


I bought the Nexus 4 for $199. And I have enabled T-Mobile 4G LTE. There would be no hardware changes required because the radio and amplifier chips are in the Nexus 4. Just a software change.
This rumor is completely ridiculous. Maybe $199 or $249 for a Nexus 4 LTE and $299 or $349 for the 16GB Nexus 5.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:03 9

10. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2649; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Both of you are calling this rumor "ridiculous" even though you're quibbling over $50-$100 on a device that would retail for $600+ if it came from anyone other than Google. Have expectations really warped that much already?

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:36 2

17. NexusPhan (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


$100 difference on a $199 device is not quibbling.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 11:25 3

28. TylerGrunter (Posts: 861; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


At the end of the day is our money and it's in our right to quibble for $1 if we want to.
But the issue is not the current price as you want to make it look. The issue is the "expectations".
Google have been selling the phone really cheap and the rumor is pretty much telling there will be price increase in the N4. To release a phone a year later at a HIGHER price? That makes no sense.
And you can argue all you want that it has LTE, but to pay $100 more just for that? And what about the places that do NOT have LTE?
Google releases Nexus as a GLOBAL phone, not dedicated to the US, and there is where all the logic about those prices fail.
I'm not saying it can be that they will release two phones or anything. Just that they will be at least $50 cheaper to maintain prices, that's all.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 15:33 1

40. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Yeah, it makes no sense that Google would increase the price of the Nexus 4 by $100 just to include LTE, especially when it already has (some) LTE bands in it. I assume the Nexus 4 will keep the same price it has and the Nexus 5 will be $400 max for the highest memory model.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 18:10

61. _PHug_ (Posts: 380; Member since: 11 Oct 2011)


Have you heard of the iPhone?

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 11:31 2

29. TylerGrunter (Posts: 861; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


And to clarify it: I'm not saying they are expensive or anything, just that is not what I would expect from Google and that they will dissapoint me.
I may decide on a phone with a microSD slot then.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 13:24

31. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 627; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


Michael... Dont draw conclusions in this way. " the new Nexus handset will indeed be called the Nexus 5"... I guess it is wrong... If this one is Nexus 5, next would be nexus 6 & then Nexus 7...!!!!!
What about Nexus 7 tablet then...?????

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 15:47

42. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Not necessarily. They called it the Nexus 4 because it was the 4th Nexus. They can call it Nexus 5 because it has a 5" display, and thus keep the name next year and the year after, as long as they keep the display the same size.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 13:25

32. Shatter (Posts: 1967; Member since: 29 May 2013)


My 32GB nexus 4 has LTE enabled on tmobile. It is not hard.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:18 1

12. o0Exia0o (Posts: 317; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


Sorry to tell you, but there are a couple of things that are off about what your stating here.

1) While it has been proven possable to turn on the LTE in the Nexus 4, It does not have the amplifier needed to pull in more than 1 bar at most and that is with in close proximity to a cell tower making your claim of LTE on your Nexus 4 what most would call B.S. You may have HSPA+ (which is what T-Mo is passing off as thier 4G network) but I call shenanigans of you having actual 4G LTE.

2) T-Mobile's LTE network is at this point is still almost nonexistent when compaired to ATT and VZW. What T-Mo has wide spread is HSPA+ and that is what they're passing off as thier 4G network. I am not saing that there is any thing wrong with HSPA+ but compared to true LTE, HSPA+ looks like dial-up.

Thanks for your time. Ill be awating your angry response

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:34

15. NexusPhan (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


You're wrong.
1. It has the amplifier. I'm not an idiot. I can tell the difference between my phone reporting LTE and HSPA+. 70Mbps is not HSPA+ and is not without the amplifier.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?s=a9e05b9afc1af0f9b95741d15eb71e62&t=2363870&page=13
2. T-Mobile covers 200 million people on LTE. HSPA+ is at 230 million people. By the end of the year, everywhere with HSPA+ will have LTE.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:50

22. o0Exia0o (Posts: 317; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


And this is supposed to prove what?

1)There are 2 screen shots taken and they could be from a number of phones. I see no solid proof to back up your claims. Not just that but neather screen shot corrisponds with the other nor does the person who posted the screen shots even say that they came from an N-4.

2)while T-Mo may may "reach" 200M as they put it they don't at this point even cover 200 markets with LTE, while VZW at this point has covered almost thier entire 3g coverage area with 4G LTE coverage reaching close to or more than 500 markets.

Again Ill be awaiting your angry response. Thanks for your time.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:55

24. NexusPhan (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


http://www.anandtech.com/show/6474/nexus-4-includes-support-for-lte-on-band-4-aws

End of story. Nexus 4 has full T-Mobile LTE.

And i'm not here to argue about T-Mobile coverage. I'm agruing your "T-Mobile's LTE network is at this point is still almost nonexistent.... What T-Mo has wide spread is HSPA+ and that is what they're passing off as thier 4G network"
That is simply not true. 87% of the area T-Mobile covers with HSPA+ already has LTE.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 15:42

41. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3875; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


1) What other phones have stock Android, on screen buttons, 768 x 1280 resolution, and runs on T-Mobile's LTE network? Hint: not many. There's all the reason to believe it's a Nexus 4, not any reason not to believe.

2) T-Mobile covers roughly 2/3 of the population of the U.S, they've done that in 10 months. Verizon covers 99% of the U.S, it took them 2 years. T-Mobile is well on it's way to completely covering the U.S.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:53 1

23. saffant (Posts: 210; Member since: 04 Jul 2011)


Enjoy the horrendous battery life with Nexus 4's LTE.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 11:01

25. NexusPhan (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


I have zero problems with the Nexus 4's battery other than it not being swap-able for long weekend trips without charging. All depends on where you are and how strong a signal you have. For me, I don't see any difference between LTE on or off. The same definitely was not true with my Galaxy Nexus. Turn on 4G and you're out of battery so fast.

posted on 16 Oct 2013, 19:54

65. saffant (Posts: 210; Member since: 04 Jul 2011)


You'd be the minority on that one compared to practically ANY reputable reviewer or heck any power user even.

The phone's battery life is a disgrace.

posted on 16 Oct 2013, 17:12

64. Professor (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)


I also have a Nexus 4 (Android ver. 4.2.1) with the LTE enabled using this trick...

http://www.phonearena.com/news/LTE-on-the-Google-Nexus-4-might-work-with-this-simple-tweak_id36929

But I live in NYC were T-mobile only has (and barely) HSPA+. And I still have not found a place were T-mobile has LTE working.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:35 2

16. cezarepc (Posts: 502; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


Spot on man. IMPOSSIBLE to get true LTE speeds by any means on the current N4.

PS. I have yet to see a sh*tty article from Michael.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:41

18. NexusPhan (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


I probably could have just pointed you to here and it would have ended the argument. Not only does it have LTE but it supports AWS. With proof of the amplifier.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6474/nexus-4-includes-support-for-lte-on-band-4-aws

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 13:26

33. djcody (Posts: 43; Member since: 17 Apr 2013)


docs.google.com/folder/d/0B7WrzpF45-n-SkZMa3U0dmot​YWM/edit

Man you really need check your eyes. Google, bing are wonderful tools just use sometime
I use N4 for few months, LTE is better than hspa+ in my area (MN) plus battery life are better because of better stronger signal
Add http:/ to the link

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 13:57

34. NexusPhan (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


I can't get that link to work. Yes I used put thehttp:// in front of docs.google.com/folder/d/0B7WrzpF45-n-SkZMa3U0dmot​​YWM/edit

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 17:50

58. djcody (Posts: 43; Member since: 17 Apr 2013)


drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7WrzpF45-n-SkZMa3​U0dmotYWM&usp=sharing

should be ok now

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 17:51

59. djcody (Posts: 43; Member since: 17 Apr 2013)


drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7WrzpF45-n-SkZMa3​U0dmotYWM&usp=sharing

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 16:00

43. Shatter (Posts: 1967; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Actually tmobiles network is almost nearing the size of ATTs. You just live under a rock.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 17:43

55. Professor (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)


Sorry. No angry response. I also agree with you.

I have a Nexus 4 (4.2.1) with its LTE enabled and I still have never found a place were its LTE actually has worked (T-Mobile network).

In NYC my best result has been 15.65 Mbps (download) and the most common "speed" for T-Mobile in NYC has been 0.15 Mbps average (download) "speed"...

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 11:07 2

26. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 278; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


One point you may be missing here is the price of the N4 chip set and radios may have something to do with what features they (Google/LG) pay to use.

I.e. Google/LG approach Qualcomm about a chipset without LTE to keep the costs down. Developing and validating a new chipset would be tremendously expensive, so it's much easier to sell a product with features disabled and/or a license agreement that the features which were not purchased will not be utilized.

Point being, even if they could make the N4 fully support LTE with a software change the probable additional licensing costs would almost certainly require an increase in the retail price. The chipset manufacturer will want to be paid for the use of their IP.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 11:16

27. NexusPhan (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


Excellent point. But, it's also been a year. Prices have dropped on everything over the last year. Tooling and factories to build it already exist. No/little development costs. If Google were to only update the Nexus 4 to include LTE, I'd be stunned if they sold it for $299. It just doesn't make sense. I think this rumor is completely bogus. That's why no other site picked up on it. PA will post anything for clicks, that's why I keep coming back.

posted on 16 Oct 2013, 04:36

62. cezarepc (Posts: 502; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


Yeah same, I see a lot of people having LTE speeds on N4 but mine is enabled and have yet to hit LTE speeds all the while my Xperia V gobbles LTE (same network).

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 16:34

48. Professor (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)


I also have the Nexus 4. And I also have the LTE enabled. But I still have never found a place (in NYC) were the LTE has worked. But that's probably normal since T-Mobile still don't have LTE enabled in NYC...

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:23 1

6. scriptwriter (Posts: 396; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


could, should and would. unless youve got anything solid, im taking everything with a pinch of salt

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 14:48 1

38. lifeyourlive (Posts: 126; Member since: 23 Aug 2013)


Well, that's how it supposed be automatically with everybody

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 09:42 2

9. Cha7520 (Posts: 208; Member since: 31 Oct 2010)


Come on Google!! Its Oct 15th...when the hell are you going to announce this phone?

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:27

14. Taters (Posts: 2584; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


This sounds ridiculous but I wouldn't be surprised if there was multiple new Nexus handsets.

Maybe a Moto or Sony Nexus 4 2013 based on the Moto X or Xperia Z1 F and a Nexus 5 based on the LG G2. This would stay consistent with latest Google trend of having the numbers based on the screen size Nexus 4, Nexus 7, and Nexus 10. And Google also has no problems releasing that many handsets since the HTC One and GS4 Google editions were released almost together.

I highly doubt that they would re release the Nexus 4 with LTE intact without suping it up even more.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:46

19. imkyle (Posts: 969; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)


I'd take an LTE Nexus 4 over the Nexus 5. I they priced it right.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 10:49 1

20. Kitkat_4.4 (Posts: 74; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)


This just sucks !! I don't want Nexus 4 + LTE! i WANT Nexus 5 with the 300$ price tag or just little more. 400$ for 16gb nexus 5 is ridiculous! I don't have 4G here in my country so that's of no use. The reason I'm upgrading is just for specs. 400$ for nexus... come on! and google, where the hell is nexus 5? release the damn thing already come'on.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 12:37

30. GeekMovement (Posts: 1499; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


Guess it wasn't Oct 15 ):

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 14:25

36. lifeyourlive (Posts: 126; Member since: 23 Aug 2013)


I want to buy this from england due to googla play price, do you think the price will be coppied and only the currency will changed to 449£? Because 449$ and 449£ thats really a big difference, especially for somebody who is buying with € :D

449$ = 332€
449£ = 530€

With todays currencies balance (15.10.2013)

And this difference is huge

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 14:34

37. lifeyourlive (Posts: 126; Member since: 23 Aug 2013)


This Nexus.. i like it... ANOTHER!!!!

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 15:15

39. Esteban4u (Posts: 32; Member since: 15 Oct 2013)


Looks like us poor bastards on Verizon won't be getting this awesome phone. Is anybody willing to lose grandfathered unlimited data on Verizon for this phone? - I can say, I have been thinking about it since i'm getting tired of flashing roms in order to keep Android current on my GNex.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 16:02

44. Shatter (Posts: 1967; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Switch to tmobile, you can still get unlimited.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 16:17

45. andrejx (Posts: 27; Member since: 28 Oct 2012)


So it wont have an SD card slot? =/ 32 gigs is still something but I would wish for 64, when no expendable memory...

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 16:30

46. Professor (Posts: 127; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)


That means I am NOT going to upgrade. Why? Because I use T-mobile network (with my Nexus 4) and T-mobile don't have LTE yet (at least not in NYC). And probably will take T-mobile another year or so to have LTE in NYC.

posted on 15 Oct 2013, 16:53

49. _Bone_ (Posts: 2104; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


That would be disastrous. Between the Nexus 4 for $200 and the Nexus 5 for $400 something went terribly wrong. I get it, the SoC is top end, but so was last year's, it's merely an upgrade to today's tech, screen, CPU, GPU. There is no 13MP OIS camera in it, no 3000mAh battery...

For any high-end phone $400 is a bargain, for a Nexus phone $400 is a rip-off.

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