Retro chic: Nokia 808 PureView vs Xperia Z2 photo samples pop up
0. phoneArena 30 Apr 2014, 02:40 posted on
Can the oldie Nokia 808 PureView with its Symbian platform take on a fresh Android flagship with a 20 MP camera, like the Xperia Z2? If that question has been bugging you, and taking away from your sleep at night, you'd be delighted to hear that someone has snapped a few comparison shots between the Z2 and the 808 PureView...
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15. PunyPoop (Posts: 750; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)
and as they say, HATERS gonna HATE! Kudos to SONY, Xperia Z2 all the way!
25. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3682; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
really? just look at the oversharpening on the first two images on Z2. I am not trolling just pointing the winner. This is old problem of sony. My cousin's Cybershot has a nice image on the viewfinder when you focus, but after snapping the pic, the post processing ruins everything.
41. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3509; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
My Cyber-shot DSC-WX150 takes AMAZING pictures and videos. The stabilization is AMAZING and 10x optical zoom. Low light shots are FASCINATING. And it cost only 240 euros. I have to agree that I would prefer a slightly lower amount of post processing, but at that price point I can't really find a better camera. Noise levels are basically zero.
40. akki20892 (Posts: 3795; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
I'm a fan of Nokia, Sony has done amazing job in Z2 camera, great phone.
& don't forget that 808 has produce great photos after discontinue symbian update. I can't forget that it has biggest sensor than any other phones.
43. Maddy (Posts: 31; Member since: 13 Sep 2012)
Nope ... First why 5mp 808 why not 38 ? ..it should be between 38mp vs 20mp
you will find the real winner then..!!
53. asingha94 (Posts: 295; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)
not really!pictures are overexposed with less details in compare to 808!!
38. lalalaman (Posts: 537; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)
I think nokia wins in details.....z2 did good in reducing noise and whiteness in the pictures
39. akki20892 (Posts: 3795; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
808 is 2011 model. And still produce better photos, and no doubt it has biggest sensor than any other phones.
Long live 808+symbian.
Z2 has done better job. Great phone.
46. GeorgeDao123 (Posts: 390; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)
And thanks to Elop, we don't see how far Symbian can go.
3. Duketytz (Posts: 534; Member since: 28 Nov 2013)
I think both are equally decent for a smartphone camera. I'm giving it to Z2 because of its waterproof body and the fact that there isn't a bulge. But clearly Nokia is still going strong with 808 after so many years!
55. mousesports (Posts: 270; Member since: 28 Feb 2013)
omfg .. "because of the waterproof " ? here its a test of pictures not a test of waterproof .. OMFG ! The winner its 808 !
4. o0Exia0o (Posts: 603; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
I think that I would have to say just based on the comparison photos above and nothing else I would have to give the win to the Nokia 808. The photos just seem to have less noise and better color reproduction to them.
5. FriendsOfSamsung (unregistered)
Awful photos, tons of noise and blurrish on pic 6, unatural color from pic 5..
Either the photographer failed to capture, of the phone themselves born to be this awful.
Glad I own neither
52. refillable (Posts: 832; Member since: 10 Mar 2014)
I am waiting for an epic battle of the Spam LG guy against this guy.
6. jhaw19 (Posts: 4; Member since: 22 Mar 2014)
shot # 1 Nokia, the rest Z2 .last sample z2 better white balance as per reference
7. ahomad (Posts: 173; Member since: 15 May 2012)
In the second image, the Z2 is way better (sharper with better colours, you can clearly see the numbers in the board far away). The other two images, they are more or less equally good (although I prefer the Z2 colour in the third image).
8. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Neither of these camera phones holds much appeal. I find a small dedicated camera like the RX100 is miles ahead of any camera phone.
Now if I think "my phone comes with a free camera", like a box of Crackerjacks comes with a free prize, then I would probably pick the Z2. It doesn't offer natural colors compared to the 808, but it offers a more compact design and good resolution and sharpness. This is enough to make it my choice of Crackerjack prize.
11. Mr.Torture (Posts: 21; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)
I'm telling this to all my friends for years. No phone camera, no matter how good it is, can match a good compact camera.
And speaking of RX100, this is a beast for itself. I do not have it, but judging by all reviews, and by sample photos I saw, it is one amazing peace of hardware.
24. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3682; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
+1 for the point. I have the RX100 II. Its very compact and takes some outstanding shots.
27. sergiobr (Posts: 566; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)
RX100 is the monster !!! 1' sensor make all the difference.
56. preetmalhotra (Posts: 87; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
Are you nuts?
RX100 is costlier than some DSLRs!!
No point in comparing RX100 with smartphones!
BTW, if you want to compare ur RX100 with 808, either get a 808 first or go tohttp://forum.pureviewclub.com/
and then talk!!!
58. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3682; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Dslr are for pro photographers. RX100 is easy to use and takes great shots and can easily rival smartphones in compactness. I carry it most of the times and can forget that it is in my pocket. And no 1020 or 808 can rival its image quality. And if $450 is expensive for such a great gadget sorry for you. Btw you know how much 1020 costs?
60. preetmalhotra (Posts: 87; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
lol..it's not expensive for me I guess, as u can visit my profile and can judge yourself!
You are again not getting me..
DSLRs are for pro photographers! Exactly, but here what I'm trying to say is that Point 'n' Shoot RX100 is even costlier than some DSLR which gives us a clue of its superior image clarity, thats why there's no point; or if you want to compare 808/1020
with the best, then you can actually find many web portals doing the same, and getting enough satisfactory results for both!
9. Mr.Torture (Posts: 21; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)
Both cameras are amazing, no doubt. The thrilling thing is that 808PV is still doing this well, almost two years after announcement. And, beside all negativity towards Sony (from majority of portals), just another prove that Sony done it right this time.
10. FriendsOfSamsung (unregistered)
Done it right like what?
13. Mr.Torture (Posts: 21; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)
Like everything. From display, to build quality, to finally excellent camera.
20. JMartin22 (Posts: 1616; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
The display is a step up, but still not that good, nor the best on the market; unless you mean build material, the build quality could be smarter and more better engineered. They don't need such thick bezel for the ingress protection when Samsung managed to minimize their bezel more and achieved a higher IP rating.
I'm still skeptical about the camera, Sony has never optimized their imaging software to stay ahead of competition using their same sensors. It does seem to have decent low light capability though
23. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3509; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
Well it has dual frontal speakers in those "huge" bezels. And BTW S5 doesn't have a higher IP rating. Yes, 67 is a bigger number than 58, but you have to read the numbers separately. The 6 and 5 stand for dust proofing, so S5 is a bit more dust proof than Z2. And 7 and 8 are the numbers for water proofing, which means Z2 has a bit tighter waterproofing.
29. Mr.Torture (Posts: 21; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)
Not to dig into details, but putting the Samsung into same sentence with Sony regarding build quality... heh, well. I have great respect for Samsung for what they are, and for what they achieved in Android world in relatively short time. But average Joe have to be extremely subjective to say that Sony build quality is "not as smart" as Samsung one. If there is anything that Samsung is not that good at (purposely or not, I don't know), then it's the build quality, and even the most loyal Samsung customers are well aware of this fact.
Then, about camera. Truth indeed, is that Sony have some work still to do with their camera software and compressing algorithms, but then again, even without this thing sorted out, they managed to be ahead Samsung with both last flagships, Z1 and Z2. Yes, you can say it's subjective to judge photo quality, as everyone is acting as camera proffessionals today, making comparisons, while not having a clue about photography. Following this, some sources (I believe to be among most relevant ones regarding photography) are putting Z2 and Z1 on top of the sheets, even above 808 PureView.
Note: I have a good friend buying Samsung flagships all the time, and HTC occasionally, and currently he's using S4. I know what I'm talking about when I say that build quality is not that great, not to use more extreme words.
30. Genza (Posts: 380; Member since: 12 Mar 2014)
I'm not sure about the display yet but from what i know Z2 has one of the looking display in mobile phones.
And i'm not agree with this
"They don't need such thick bezel for the ingress protection when Samsung managed to minimize their bezel more and achieved a higher IP rating."
For me Sony is doing a better job than Samsung because
1. Z2 has higher IP rating for water protection (AFAIK IPX8 is more difficult to make than IPX7 or IP6X and for electronic devices water is much more dangerous than dust)
2. There is no much difference between Z2 screen ratio (69.17%) and S5 screen ratio (69.76%), but Sony is able to put bigger sensor, battery and stereo speakers into Z2.
18. nlbates66 (Posts: 320; Member since: 15 Aug 2012)
the pictures here are far to tiny for any sort of comparison to matter.
19. bugsbunny00 (Posts: 1628; Member since: 07 Jun 2013)
the out dated 808 pureview doesn't come close to the Z2, so again Z2 is a clear winner,..
22. nightfury (Posts: 61; Member since: 04 Dec 2013)
by seeing the pics z2 wins easily...sony has nailed the bad cam algorithms found so far on other xperias??????
26. sergiobr (Posts: 566; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)
I have my old and good 808 JUST for photos during running, but for the rest my Note 3. Is good to see a Android phone perfoming like 808, I need to see more samples in low light. I don´t like wp. When I need really good photos I carry my Sony RX100, no phone will ever get closer.
28. sergiobr (Posts: 566; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)
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34. whburling (Posts: 14; Member since: 08 Apr 2014)
thank you for your assessment. I enjoyed your quest to observe and share your findings without feeling the need to diminish one mfr over the other.
I have heard the same complaints about sony over sharpening...but did not
understand those complaints in other comparisons. You did a fantastic job
in helping me see what you were talking about (oversharpening).
45. o0Exia0o (Posts: 603; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)
Good artical with good points! Phonearena staff should also read.
61. preetmalhotra (Posts: 87; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
not for Z2 Fanboys!
They simply won't understand
33. surethom (Posts: 435; Member since: 04 Mar 2009)
I really do not like Sony Xperia phones but the Xperia wins in this, But what about low light & indoor photos, that is the ONLY way to tell is a camera is any good.
35. solidsnake695 (Posts: 103; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)
xperia is great but in the pictures nokia is 5 mp oversampeling is done in both xperia is also 8mp but sony havent learn anything from the past heavy processing......if heavy post processing is stoped well itll outperform nokia 808 even more
37. diehardnokian (Posts: 133; Member since: 27 Apr 2014)
Kudos to Nokia considering its age..! Nokia has a bigger sensor while Sony exhibits its prowess though better software algorithms! Choose call I should say!!
42. -box- (Posts: 3973; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
In reference to the article, I'd say the Nokia N8 is really what started the phone camera war, that is, trying to provide superior optics on not just a camera-centric model, but the flagship as well. It still has an amazing 12MP camera and the Xenon flash is still superior to many phones' paltry LEDs. The 808 improved upon that, which, as we know, begat the 1020 and other superior PureView phones. I doubt the Z2, as excellent as it is, would stand up to the 1020 or 1520, even though both have smaller sensors than the 808 PureView.
44. kobainez (Posts: 383; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Wouldn't stand up against 1520? Get real fanboy Xperia Z2 sensor is bigger than 1520
47. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1163; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
808 is definitely sharper when zoomed. but Z2 images are brighter.
---but in the end, WE WANT IT COMPARED TO THE LUMIA 1520
-----20mp Z2 vs 20mp 1520/icon/930
48. strikercho (banned) (Posts: 156; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
808 just blows away the Z2. Simple as that.
51. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 864; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
If you want a sharpened photo go with the Xperia. If you want truer to life colors and the least amount of processing done to a photo, go with the 808 (hence the PureView name).
That said, I think the 808 is still king of the hill in a lot of respects, despite all the things the 1020 can do better. I test out the two of them all the time just for fun and my 808 never disappoints me. 99% of the time it gets the scene true to life with its details and colors. 1020 still to this day has issues with white balance and coloring has gotten truer to life but could still improve. But the biggest difference lies within flash photography. If I could trade some thickness in my 1020 for the same Xenon flash setup as my 808, I would do it in a heartbeat. The amount of detail captured on the 808 compared to the 1020 is astonishing. Skin is incredibly more detailed, unlike the “softness” that appears with the 1020, and colors are again, incredibly natural.
Maybe Nokia errrr Microsoft’s next 1020 will finally dethrone the mighty 808. Maybe Sony will finally bring back the xenon flash it used to have on its camera flagships...
54. bugsbunny00 (Posts: 1628; Member since: 07 Jun 2013)
these bricks perform well but z2 is just way better than the two..
57. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3682; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Dslr are for pro photographers. RX100 is easy to use and takes great shots and can easily rival smartphones in compactness. I carry it most of the times and can forget that it is in my pocket. And no 1020 or 808 can rival its image quality. And if $450 is expensive for such a great gadget sorry for you. Btw do you know how much 1020 costs?
59. Jaeel (Posts: 27; Member since: 18 Apr 2013)
Strange that despite the 5mp mode, 808 seems to have much more detail on shot #6.