Reminder: "Let's Talk iPhone" event today!
0. phoneArena 04 Oct 2011, 07:58 posted on
There are probably very few of you who are not aware that today's the day for every tech junkie out there, as we'll be witnessing the official announcement of the next-gen iPhone...
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1. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
hurry up and get it over with, so we can make apple copy's android jokes and get on with our lives. :)
22. ilia1986 (unregistered)
I have an inner feeling that Tim is a very bad Cook. At least Steve had people longing for Jobs at Apple.
30. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)
Sorry, but your jokes were extremely cheeky and crap. This might be good, or bad.. We shall see.
31. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Oi - Oi look! Did you see it remixfa? An iSheep! Quickly my friend - draw your rifle and hunt it down - Promised my gf some fresh meat this dinner.
2. Steve Jobs (unregistered)
New iphone will be running android
21. ilia1986 (unregistered)
If it were - it would be the best iPhone ever. In all seriousness, for a change.
Hell, a full working Android 3.0+ bootloader is the prime reason I check Cydia every morning.
3. Ken (unregistered)
5. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yes I really want to know if Sprint will have the ONLY 4G unlimited iPhone in the U.S. That way all those people who said the iPhone doesn't need 4G will eat their words. (You know who you are.... taco50, The_Miz, & the other iSheep out there!) I REALLY can't wait to hear news about the upgrades Sprint is doing to their 3G & to their 4G networks coming next week. That is REALLY what I am waiting for. Also I can't wait to hear about those quad-core tablets that are coming out too. & let's not forget the multi-core optimizing Android Ice Cream Sandwich, which is LITERALLY around the corner. So I guess I am really NOT into this "Let's Talk iPhone" event as much as I thought I would be. lol :-)
8. cc (unregistered)
To be honest, as someone who owns a Thunderbolt and has been using Android since the Droid one when I switched from my iPhone... I am very excited for the iPhone event.
Over the last couple years I have been VERY pro Android because I honestly believe it is a more capable OS, but iOS is definitely more refined. I am very much hoping that Apple has made some major improvements over the iPhone 4 in which case I may consider switching back.
As much as I hate all of the Apple fanboys on this website sometimes, and as much as I do honestly believe that currently Android outperforms iOS... All I want is the best phone. With the best features.
Competition brings innovation! Let's see it Apple.
10. greathero1 (Posts: 554; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
I am also hoping to see a lot of new and useable features as well. I also have been down with Android for a while but after 4 phones and all the software issues, I'm ready and poised to try something new. Also, the Android fanboys are just as obnoxious on this site as the iPhone guys. Just read some of the posts on this thread
11. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I don't get how you can say the iOS is more "refined"? iOS is indeed an inferior OS. The reason why you think is more "refined" is because it seems smoother. The way Apple achieves this is because their iOS can't multitask. Look you take a Samsung Galaxy S II with its dual-core 1.2 GHz Exynos chipset & run iOS is will be smoother, faster in every which way compared the iPhone 4. You just can’t dispute that. Now try to run Android Gingerbread 2.3.5 on an iPhone 4 & you will see that it just can't happen. Android demands the extra power because it is LITERALLY doing 100 more things at once compared to iOS. I got my wife the Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch & let me tell you it's insanely fast & JUST as smooth as the iOS on Apple's iPhone 4. The difference is that the Epic Touch 4G is constantly multitasking & using Flash. To me this is finally the phone that can ACTUALLY run the Android OS without a hitch. I am flabbergasted at the thought of how awesome Android Ice Cream Sandwich will run on the glorious 1.2 GHz dual-core Exynos chipset. Apple will always have a nice flashy phone I give you that, but with quad-core phones just a few months away, a dual-core iPhone just seems like old news. Innovation would be a quad-core iPhone, but the rumors don't stipulate something like that, but don't worry we will soon know what Apple has up its sleeve that is for sure!
13. bucky (Posts: 2219; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Dude, you try to argue everything! Its just accepted and known that ios is more refined. it has to be since there is one person in control! Androids biggest advantage is also its biggest flaw.
17. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
bucky how am I arguing if it's indeed facts? iOS is smooth because the OS is dumbed down. That is why it’s more refined? Really? Even iSheep know this, ask taco50, ask The_Miz. They have been quoted as saying this. I am not making this up. Android is a more advanced OS, that is not speculation that is FACT! iOS just can't do what Android can. There is no argument there! So I really don’t know what you are talking about!
19. roldefol (Posts: 4097; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Your definition of refinement is different from his. I actually agree... iOS is simpler and more straightforward, but less capable. It's like comparing a bicycle to a motorcycle. Sure, they each have two wheels, handbars and a seat, but the bicycle is simpler, easier to maintain and far less powerful. Which one is more elegant depends on whether you're a bicyclist or a biker.
28. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Great analogy. That was wonderful. I am a bicyclist, who also owns a motorcycle. I can agree with you, but if you are comparing them as a vehicles then there is no comparison the motorcycle is hands down the better choice. There is no better feeling then riding a motorcycle on a nice curvy road. The feeling is exhilarating. Now if you want a leisurely ride then a bicycle will give you that. When I want time think & be by myself there is nothing better than riding my bicycle. It’s very liberating, not to mention the fitness it requires. When comparing OS’s Android is the better choice for multi-tasking, but to say iOS is more "refined" because it does less sounds very diminishing. Just because Android multitasks doesn't mean it's NOT refined. The Android OS on the Samsung Galaxy S II or other high-end devices are just as "refined" as iOS is on an Apple iPhone 4 even though Android is doing 100 different things at all times.
25. bucky (Posts: 2219; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Refinement has to do with compatibility, smoothness, solidity, looks and quality in general. Android lacks those in 95% of their phones. Apps arent nearly as refined either. The sgs2 is the only phone that really puts up a fight in most of those categories.
29. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
bucky you are making numbers up. There are more quality Android phones out there than you think. The low-end Android phone is not as common as you think. Android is moving so fast that today’s high-end phone will be tomorrows mid-tier phone, & next month’s low-end phone. A lot of mid to low-end phones that are coming out will be stronger than the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 is not even 1 GHz. Just look & see for yourself.
44. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its easy to polish it shiney when its only 1 or 2 things. its much harder to polish everything when its 30 thigs.
20. cc (unregistered)
I don't know why i'm getting thumbs down... lol
It doesn't matter WHY iOS "seems" more refined. It doesn't matter if it's because it doesn't have true multitasking or whatever the reason may be... the reality of it is that it SEEMS SMOOTHER.
Who the F*** cares how you come to that conclusion. I honestly thought my post was very unbiased and straightforward.
My old Mazda 626 had no options (no power locks, windows, etc) but NONE OF THAT s**t BROKE. Yes it is nice to have all the bells and whistles (which again, I have owned several Droids now and would never consider an iPhone unless they improve it to be as capable as Android) but bells and whistles tend to have problems here and there.
I am very much an Android "fan" but I am realistic about it as well... and the reality is that while Android is MORE CAPABLE and can do MORE THINGS than iOS, iPhones tend to perform better.
I completely agree with WHY and it is definitely because the phone is doing less, but the end result is what I am talking about here... and in this case the end result is that the LESS CAPABLE iOS is in fact SMOOTHER.
50. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
iOS is a one trick pony. If Android didn't do so many things at once then it would perform better than iOS. Android from the beginning has been a VERY ambitious OS. It was trying to do everything since day one. Granted tech at the time wasn't up to par with Android. Now that the tech has caught up to Android we TRUELY see the fruits of labor. Android was ahead of its time, & now that the tech is there we see the "refinement" everyone seems to be talking about. Apple phones seem to perform better because they are not doing anything. I am sorry it may be doing 1 or 2 things at a time IF it can even do that. Imagine iOS updating Facebook, Google+, Twitter, Foursquare, Weather, & whatever you want to do every 10 minutes in the background all at the same time, you can't because iOS doesn't have the capability to do so. Android can do all that PLUS surf the web on Wi-Fi or 4G with Flash on ALL AT THE SAME TIME & now with no slow down. If iOS even attempted that it would be slower than a Manatee trying to cross a street. So the equation is less features + no or some multitasking + smooth = refinement (iOS). Ok then what is the answer to this equation? True multitasking + more features + smooth = what? (Android)
41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Too bad after your long dumb pointless post I can still do everything on my iPhone that you can on your crapdroid
51. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
You are such a liar taco50. There is no way you can do everything on your less than 1 GHz iPhone 4 compared to my 1.6 GHz dual-core HTC Evo 3D. Sorry but there is now way! lol
6. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
"iphone5.. now with more "android"!!! dont worry, our robot is silver, not green, so we are not "stealing" per se!!"
9. greathero1 (Posts: 554; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
Cant wait to see what else they have added to the mix. I'm so ready to dump Tmobile and my Sensation.
42. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Your phone is already on the clearance rack at walmart
14. joak (unregistered)
wow, so many iphone haters. i wonder if there are any android haters out there. Its cool if you have a valid reason to hate on the iphone, but for all those mindless iphone haters out there, rebels without a cause that dont know why they hate the iphone or hate the iphone because everyone else is doing it, please stop acting like the mindless adults on south park. I have had an android phone and an iphone. In my opinion android phones do a whole lot more than iphones do, but nevertheless iphone does the little it does flawlessly and smoothly. Android needs to focus more on the quality of their OS. The second the android OS does all it does flawlessly (multitasking...etc) it will be better to me than the iphone. I want a phone that does what it says it does perfectly not a phone that does a lot more things imperfectly. quality over quantity...that is my preference
16. Synack (Posts: 674; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
We hate the iPhone because we still can't understand to this day how a phone with old slower hardware with an OS that hasn't changed in 4 years is selling like hotcakes. It's like saying, "why is a 2008 Macbook nonPro selling more than an Asus quadcore 3.5Ghz with 16gb Ram and the latest video card?" It just doesn't make any sense. Be we have come to realize that Apple can sell you "not so smart" people anything they want because their marketing tactics are genius. They could probably sell you a hot pile of poop with a Benjamin on the bottom and an Apple sticker on the top for $800. Granted they leak everything out slowly telling you what shade of brown it is and if the poop is going to be bigger than 3.7" or not with corn or rice in it. Apple's marketing rocks.
23. joak (unregistered)
well when you have an OS that is flawless in what it does i can see that happening. once again quality over quantity. as for apple's marketing, they just dont sell a device they sell a fad, a fashion statement. now i dont know why other ppl buy an iphone but i know i have had android phones and iphones and operating wise iphone gets the job done. i personally dont see how they can make the iphone better, it just works. i personally think its some for vudu cause i dont see how a 5 megapixel camera is taking better pictures than an 8 megapixel camera or how the mic on the iphone records high quality sound. One big reason why i prefer the iphone to an android is because of itunes. I think android needs an itunes equivalent for their phones.
27. roldefol (Posts: 4097; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Don't even get me started on the camera thing. I'm not at all surprised a 5 MP camera can outperform an 8 MP, or a 24 MP one for that matter. There's only so much lens one can fit in a phone, and the rest is software. For all we know, 5 MP could be the optimum size but people always think bigger is better.
As for the iPhone, I believe it's image processing voodoo.
37. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You don't understand because you're a dumb sheep. People actually want a phone that works well, has lots of apps, good battery life and is stable. You guys freak out about it not having flash. Apple can put flash on it if they want. There's a reason it doesn't. It improves performance and battery life.
That's just one example. But idiot fandroids will never get it. Mean while iPhone users have the highest satisfaction ratings by far. Android users deal with constant force closes, reboots, incompatible apps, crappy apps and malware. You brag about your specs even though e phones performance still sucks.
SGS II is a great example of how weak android is. After today's announcement it will be forgotten. ON TO THE NEXT "IPHONE KILLER"
43. roldefol (Posts: 4097; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
There's one line here I agree with, and that's that there is no "iPhone killer". No, there's no single iPhone killer, but the variety of Android phones out there collectively give everyone a viable alternative. The notion that any single phone is the "iPhone killer" is just media ignorance.
45. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So you disagree that people want a stable phone that is easy to use and has great apps?
48. roldefol (Posts: 4097; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I dispute your claim that "Android users deal with constant force closes, reboots, incompatible apps, crappy apps and malware". There's a big difference between "some" Android users and "all" Android users. Keep your sweeping generalizations and hyperbole to yourself.
15. Synack (Posts: 674; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Ok so the iPhone5 drops today. The Nexus Prime drops in a few weeks and will be more powerful than the iPhone6.
iPhone fan statement: "I just want a phone that works! I don't care about how fast it is or it can't watch videos and lots of other things! I just want to call/text/web browse."
Android fan statement: "I want to take over the world!"
It's kind of what it boils down to. Seems like iPhone users just want to do simple boring phone things with some cool simple apps here and there while us Android users are basically trying to max out the CPU and change every single color and icon while making the OS as smooth as possible and attempting to crash benchmarks with our Voodoo ROMs while running Facebook, internet, twitter, Angry Birds, and some awesome new game or N64 emulator playing Starfox.
If you don't demand much out of your phone, go iPhone.
If you want your phone to be a laptop replacement, go Nexus Prime.
26. bucky (Posts: 2219; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
I just want my phone to do most things perfectly not everything half ass
34. Synack (Posts: 674; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Well you got part 1 right about iPhone and part 2 wrong about Android. Sure the iPhone can do most things great but there is a long list of things it can't do. I don't want a smartphone to be as smart (or dumb) as a phone that was released 2 years ago. Cmon, the new iPhone5 will have the same capabilities as the original Droid did when it FINALLY got Froyo. The only phones that do everything half assed are the s**tty generic Android phones sold by (practically given away) by companies like Cricket and Walmart.
38. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So you're basically a kid that wants to Hack your phone and play games. iPhone users are adults who want to complete actual TASKS. The point of a smartphone is to use it as a tool. If you want an unreliable toy go DROID.
24. Synack (Posts: 674; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
No live video is allowed. Only blogs are happening unless someone is leaking a video, which isn't allowed.
32. dizzymaker (unregistered)
actually iphone 4 is a 1ghz cortex a8 cpu, check your facts first superandroidevo. i have owned a wp7 htc hd7 running mango, GS1 and GS2, and a nexus s 4g... the iphone is smoother than all of them. not because it is dumbed down, it is more efficiently processing information. maximizing battery life and preformance. you were exactly right when you said andoird is doing 100 thing at once, and this is a very bad thing unless you have 4 gb of ram, which the best of the best smartphones right now only just got 1gb. apple got ir right when they decided to control and manufacuture its products. wp7 could have been just as nice if microsoft would have tqaken this approach. the biggest problem with android aside from its fragmentation, is that its has too many oem's making their phones!!! updates are slow, certain phones dont even get them, and every other month your phone is old news!
36. Synack (Posts: 674; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
No dizzy, it is dumbed down. The OS is much much lighter and leaner than Android. And it doesn't have the ability to actually multitask. So if your OS is very lightweight, can only run 1 program at a time, or 1 foreground and 1 backgroumd, and it's running a 800Mhz A4 chip then of course it's going to be smooth. Another reason the internet browser runs so smooth and loads fast is because flash is missing. When the only thing your browser has to do is load HTML then of course it's going to be super quick and smooth. That's where dual core comes in. Once Android got dual core, it was able to load HTML on 1 core and Flash on the other at the same time enabling it to have the ultimate browsing experience. See the SGS2 Epic Touch 4G for example. Also, when the Nexus Prime comes out, 1.5Ghz dual core + LTE, no other phone out will even come close to comparison of what that web experience will be like, ESPECIALLY on a 720p HD screen.
33. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)
Either way I tried to look up the iPhone four on apples site and it won't let me buy it says down for repairs or something so that's kind supposed to happen I guess but pretty cool
35. dizzymaker (unregistered)
its funny how people like to hate... really who cares ? it all boils down to a person to person basis. everyone likes and wants different lthings out of their smartphone... same with cars. not everyone wants to buy a v8 sportscar, some peopel want a 4 cyl honda civic thats just works! everyone is going to have an opinion, but for someone to get so upset because someone else thinks differently, well thats absurd. ive used them all and for me, the iphone does what i need. i dont want my phone to replace my laptop, i want it to be a phone, that i can play games on, browse the web, text, email, ect... iphone hands down has the best app selection, and apps run better on ios because of the fact developers have better tools to use. apple has always been an inovator in consumer electronics. so has microsoft. the primary reason android still dominates the market is because it has so many devices from very low end to high end.
39. Synack (Posts: 674; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Definitely the best post you've made so far.
Some people want a Honda Civic 4 cyl that gets good gas mileage and is reliable.
I want the Bugatti Veyron 16cyl quad-turbo.
40. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I love how idiot fandroids say iOS is an OS that's capable of less or dumbed down. Fandroids name me a task that iPhone can't do. A task would be checking email, navigating, using q scanner app to scan and fax a document.
Note hacking of your phone is not task completion.
49. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
view flash videos on the stock browser, use a file manager, send music and other things through bluetooth, use your idevice as an USB mass storage device, not have to be hooked up ti iTunes for EVERYTHING! load custom ringtones, actually multi-task, hook up to a HDTV and browse the net on it,and last but not least, MAKE A f**kING CALL!!!
need any more? i just killed it. yes, iOS IS A DUMBED DOWN OS
52. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Be careful of what you ask for taco50! lol
46. dizzymaker (unregistered)
wrong again synack.... read the specs herehttp://www.gsmarena.com/apple_
flash is dead btw, a dying technology thate even MS doesnt support in its wp7 devices, html5 is much faster and preforms much more efficiently.
47. dizzymaker (unregistered)
1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 processor, PowerVR SGX535GPU, Apple A4 chipset
53. Gill Bates (unregistered)
HAHA NO IPHONE 5 JUST THE POS 4S SUCKAASSSSS