Reference to an iPhone without audio jack appears in the iOS 9.3 beta code
1. Jimrod (Posts: 1185; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)
Ok with me, 3.5mm takes up a lot of room and I'm sure standard headphones will be supplied to fit the lightning port...
2. Modest_Moze (Posts: 113; Member since: 23 Mar 2015)
Nope, headphones will not do that to just satisfy iPhone users
3. maxha97 (Posts: 93; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
But already many headphone companies are preparing to release lightening jack earphone or headphone
39. NoToFanboys (Posts: 1334; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)
so what? 3.5mm jack is still preferable.
I would understand if it were USB Type-C headphones that became a standard, but Lightning port? no freakin' way.
10. Jimrod (Posts: 1185; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)
I was talking about Apple supplying their own headphones in the box... Calm your tits.
5. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 1392; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
So while you are charging your iPhone you can't use headphones unless it is wireless?
They better provide wireless charger.
7. Nopers (Posts: 204; Member since: 01 Jun 2015)
Who charges their phone and listens to music on headphones anyway? If you're charging your phone, then you're probably at home.... so play it loud or listen on your laptop.
9. snatchlax17 (Posts: 21; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
Who are YOU to DICTATE what I do with my phone while it's charging!
12. Wiencon (Posts: 1829; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
I often listen to music from phone while it sits in pocket or bag along with power bank so STHU
19. StuiWooi (Posts: 91; Member since: 19 Feb 2013)
Play it loud as in through the phone's speaker? No one chooses to do that do they? Plus if you're travelling and your plane/train/whatever has the possibility to charge you phone you may want to take advantage of that and having music blaring is incredibly inconsiderate!
35. natypes (Posts: 1086; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
Yes, ghetto people of Memphis do it all the time. brb walking around in the store with rap music radiating out of my pocket. Idk what's worse that or the people that walk around in a public place on the speaker phone.
22. tedkord (Posts: 10922; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I do, sometimes. Listen to music or watch video. Maybe you live alone, but I've got my wife and kids at home, and sometimes they are watching the TV while I want to listen on my phone.
29. bigdawg23 (Posts: 446; Member since: 25 May 2011)
I do when traveling for work in a hotel. My computer doesn't have great speakers so I us my Bose headphones. I do have a Mini Link Bluetooth speaker but when needing to do a teleconference after a long day headphones and charging needed.
37. Hitokage (Posts: 103; Member since: 01 Mar 2015)
I do that. People around me wouldn't want to hear whatever I'm playing, and sound quality would be better on headphones regardless.
40. AlikMalix (Posts: 5452; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Letsbegonest, you're absolutely right, but I switched to BT headphones years ago, the only problem is they do loose a bit of quality when you're like more than 10 feet away and worse when above 30 feet (but you cant get further than 5 feet with wired set anyway). I charge my phone typically overnight (almost never during the day anymore, because 6s+ios9). And for the few times I do use apples headphones - Apple will 100% ship the devices with lightning port headphones.
But this will be disappointing for those that own an expensive set that has 3.5 jack on the end. And I'm very sure Apple isn't putting an adapter into that box.
Either way, it's moving further and android manufacturers will most likely follow the year after - but it is, of course, going to disappoint quite a few people.
6. vincelongman (Posts: 4252; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Personally, I wouldnt mind IF Apple open sourced their new wireless headphone standard and didnt require Made For iPhone certification
But knowing Apple, they are probably going to do both of those
41. AlikMalix (Posts: 5452; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
If you open up the new iPhone (among other devices) you'll notice that the module for the Jack compared how tiny all the components are - is very big. The only thing bigger (stand alone component) is a battery. I believe, even the camera is smaller than the headphone jack and it's such a technical marvel compared to the jack. From an engineering standpoint - the Jack is redundant in the future - Apple just seems to want to get there before others.
For the record I'm not supporting or criticizing the "jackless" concept...
4. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2096; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
It's surprising that they even have a universal jack on their phones. Next thing they'll do is limit the WiFi connection to Apple-made routers/hotspots only.
8. darkkjedii (Posts: 20634; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Apple will supply wireless headphones, or lightning headphones in the box, and will sell an adapter for the 3.5mm jack. It'll be no different, than getting rid of the 30 pin connection. People made a huge fuss over it at first, than life went on. It does give trolls, and fanboys something to argue about however.
13. Wiencon (Posts: 1829; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
Jedi, there aren't only trolls that criticise that decision, look on Macrumours for example, I'd say 90% of people there are iPhone users and they all bash Apple for such stupid idea. Selling you a product which requires to buy additional accessories that add bulkiness and discomfort is something to be mad at. Just look at new Macbook, you have to buy goddamn USB C connection box to have stupid mini jack or HDMI port! Even plain USB port, you have to pay additional price for it, for something that was a standard even for Apple 2 years ago.
And you probably know that I love iPhones, it's Apple's policy that drives me mad
21. darkkjedii (Posts: 20634; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Some of their policies drive me nuts too bro
42. AlikMalix (Posts: 5452; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I just think it's the whole "a smartphone without physical keyboard is dumb" argument all over again. We all know future is WITHOUT wires. I just hope Apple know what they're doing.
For the record - I haven't met one person who found switching from 30 pin to lightning a problem, in proof - that also coincides with - none of these people ever owned a converter adapter either. The only speaker dock I owned had a 30 pin connectors for the iPhone also had BT - which I used most the time anyway. It's old and we all buy stuff like this every year anyway - the next one I bought had lighning and on top of that only 6 month into the new lighning port there were hundreds of choices of devices made for lighning - same would be with headphones. The only headphones I own besides all the ones that shipped with my iPhones is BT.
17. StuiWooi (Posts: 91; Member since: 19 Feb 2013)
I could see a potential hit to battery life as I don't believe lightning can carry audio signals so the headphones will have to have a converter and be powered by the phone.
23. tedkord (Posts: 10922; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Darkk, I've been there before. My old Samsung Omnia had a single port for charging and headphones. It came with headphones that fit it, and an adapter for 3.5mm sets I already owned. It sucked. I hated that set up. It was the worst thing about that phone. I was so happy when phones got the 3.5mm jack.
This is a terrible move. Yes, the world won't end, but it also wouldn't end if Trump win the presidency. Just because the world goes on doesn't mean something stupid didn't happen.
26. darkkjedii (Posts: 20634; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
lol, I had an Omnia also, with Verizon. Remember the wrist strap? I don't think Apple should do it, but we'll adjust and move on is all I'm saying. Definitely a bone head move though.
14. ihearlivepplz (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Jul 2015)
They could possibly sell an adapter that lets you charge your phone and listen to music at the same time. That's something they have already done with the new Macbook. More $$$ to them.
15. StuiWooi (Posts: 91; Member since: 19 Feb 2013)
I find the use of the "time immemorial" phrase to be a bit hyperbolic; (mobile) phones aren't that old and until much more recently headphones were usually via a proprietary connector...
18. Baracus (Posts: 223; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)
The 3.5mm jack takes up almost no space, and if I wanted a paper thin phone I'd be happy with a small area of the phone protruding for the headphone socket rather than add yet another insane compromise to iPhone where you can't charge and listen to phone simultaneously.
27. Iodine (Posts: 1324; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
Maybe it's not a big space to you, but iPhone is crammed full of tech, so much it sometimes explodes because of that. Even a cubic millimeter is an empty pool.
It's another part that gets eliminated, another which will be replaced by a other part and entire device becomes simpler.
Saved space is a great added bonus, anyway you look at it.
38. tedkord (Posts: 10922; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Hey, they could take the CPU out also. That takes up way more space than the headphone jack. Wouldn't that be great, all that extra space?
43. AlikMalix (Posts: 5452; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
They already have, Ted, it's called SoC now.
24. redbaronk12 (Posts: 86; Member since: 14 Dec 2013)
I would speculate there will be a way to charge and listen at the same time. Maybe the charger cable can have another lightening input jack for headphones? Or some kind of dual lightening jack adapter?
45. andynaija (Posts: 881; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)
I don't know, for some odd reason that just sounds dangerous.
25. AntiFanBoyz (unregistered)
I keep an iPhone and an Android phone. This change will make me drop the iPhone completely.
28. Iodine (Posts: 1324; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
Why do it in iOS 9.3 ?
Maybe it's for the new iPhone that is supposed to launch this spring ?
That would be great, it would be the thinnest 4" iPhone ever ! Maybe even thinner than iPhone 6 ?
30. TBomb (Posts: 716; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
I'm surprised people are so upset about charging and listening to the phone at the same time... That's an easy fix.... Have a Y-shaped cable.
32. Sakeem (Posts: 429; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
I think has to do with shelling out more money for the accessory that wouldn't be needed if this action wasn't taken.
31. Baracus (Posts: 223; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)
I just don't understand the mentality of iPhone users who constantly keep justifying features being removed and forcing them to compromise.
I mean I've bought stuff in the past that didn't do what I wanted or expected so tried to convince myself i didn't make a bad purchase by telling people these things aren't needed but I've grown out of that now.
33. Sakeem (Posts: 429; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
That's brand loyalty for you. For some people, their favorite company can do no wrong.
44. AlikMalix (Posts: 5452; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
You mean like a physical keyboard? Or mentality of Samsung users who bitched about no removable batter and no SD slot - made Samsung best year after 6s/edge came out? It's progression. I'm not supporting the removal of headphone jack - but I'm not dissing it either. If companies all stuck to what people are comfortable with instead of moving forward we would all be using flip phones. - there were millions that complained about difficulty of typing on a screen - now there are billions that enjoy it. Someone has to push forward - I want to be COMPLETELY wireless 5 years ago. I'm surprised as a majority , we're still tethered to our pockets (visualize what I'm saying).
I made this comment before: think of all the people that rediculed the "horseless carriage" ---- sticking to headphone jacks today is in the same metaphors as sticking to horses when future holds a corvette for us. (Hope that makes sense).
46. Baracus (Posts: 223; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)
What it means is a huge amount of people now use their phone as their primary device and constantly removing features makes phones less capable and forced to use other devices to make up for it's lack of features.
47. AlikMalix (Posts: 5452; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
You're saying it like removing a 3.5 Jack means iPhone users won't be able to listen to music when on contrary it will push to a more comfortable wireless standard. You want to stick to landline? Fine. But I'll take a cellular capable phone. (Same argument - different time).