Reason why AT&T's version of the HTC One X is not quad-core
0. phoneArena 26 Feb 2012, 23:29 posted on
Before you start cursing out AT&T for not going with the quad-core NVIDIA Tegra 3 processor on the HTC One X, like on the international version of the phone, the real fault lies with the Tegra 3 which does not support LTE connectivity...
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1. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
It appears hauwei has a quad core that can do LTE. Bring that to verizion. Without quad core this phone really isn't much better then the rezoned and I would take a droid razr maxx over this in a second.
(Not to mention since at&t has such a small lte network they should of just stuck with hspa+ and tegra 3 combo)
2. ph00ny (Posts: 606; Member since: 26 May 2011)
This is supposed to be using Krait instead of the half baked scorpion. Hopefully it's as good as it's hyped up to be. Also the quad core tegra3 isn't all that great either seeing how it's based on Cortex A9.
Please someone bring the dual/quad Cortex A15 based chips to mobile devices this year
9. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Ok well to my knowledge the s4 is an a9 equivalent so how does that make it better then the tegra 3 or what hauwei has. The facts is why get a dual core when quad is already out. Its watered down version of a better phone.
14. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
Your 'knowledge' is incorrect. The S4 is a generation ahead of the Tegra 3, and keeps up with it in every way possible. (and with three less cores to boot)
There is nothing to fret over because performance on the two will be the same.
18. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
im happy the version that has the 41Mbps is getting the tegra 3.
17. Dr.Phil (Posts: 952; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
What? The Tegra 3 processor is basically 4 A9 Cortex processors with a 5th companion core. Krait is similar to a Cortex A15, though it's not called that since it's Qualcomm's own design but uses ARM's instruction sets. Furthermore, the processor has proven in tests to bring out the most potential of dual-core processors to date (TI has only showed a snippet of its new dual-core processor performance). The Adreno 225 is very similar to the SGX543MP2 in performance if not better. So, it's not a bad replacement at all.
Here's more info on the Krait chipset:
And here is some of the performance benchmarks:
As you can see, the Tegra 3 is only good at some gaming but it may be because VSYNC was on.
23. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
down with Krait version1
guys, just a hair after they launch this phone, they are relaunching Krait with the 3xx series GPUs which bring a 2-4x performance boost from this version of Krait
You guys keep wanting to say Krait is an "A15", when its not. Its still more comparable to an A9 right now. Its about 30% better than the basic A9 specs but its not up to A15 snuff. Its about on the same level as the A9 exynos 4210 (galaxy S2) in power/GPU/ proposed battery usage.
Once it has the Adreno 3xx GPUs in it, then it will be more comparable to an A15. Just like I keep saying.. over n over. This first chip is a place holder to "be one of the first". The good S4 chips wont be here till later this year.
31. Dr.Phil (Posts: 952; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
You are right that it isn't comparable to an A15 yet because the GPU is still their old design, but the processor is still built on A15-like design. At least, that is what I have gotten from reading. I agree though that this was just their way of trying to get out a chipset faster than the competition.
33. willardcw4 (Posts: 169; Member since: 01 Oct 2011)
@remixfa, the next best SoC is always right around the corner to be released. Between all the different SoC manufacturers it's impossible to settle on ONE super amazing chipset that has EVERYTHING (LTE, smaller fab, best graphics, etc.). Keep in mind that not everyone is playing Tegra 3 rated video games on their phones 24/7.
53. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
Not a hair, they're launching it about a year from now, and a year is going to be enough to resolve issues that are keeping clocks down.
2 GHz dual/quad core Kraits with Adreno 320, anyone?
39. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
Stop listening to Remixfa, because he's full of s**t on this issue.
44. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
then prove me wrong.
no your right.. for the general public the chip is just fine. Its around as powerful as an exynos now, which is great. But we are not the general public. We are the people that wait with baited breath when new tech is released. A good few of us argue over specs between manufacturers. Its not about the constant cycle of electronics. Its about finding the best available this year thats going to last another year to 2 years. From my understanding they said these phones will be available in "a few months", which puts them just before the rumored SGS3 release timetable.
If it came down to a 30-60 day difference between the launch of this and the SGS3 with its (rumored) quad core exynos, much stronger GPU, new samsung screen tech, and more than likely better battery life.. would you wait? A lot of people would. They sure as heck did for the SGS2 and its what..5 month delay.
That and this chip is a stopgap.. and I hate stopgaps. Give me the real deal or get out of my way. :)
3. nyamo (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Mar 2011)
kinda like the sh!trocket, just because you have LTE, doesn't mean you need to force all your phones to be. I have yet to see my local network upgraded to H+, yet alone when they decide for LTE
10. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
There is nothing wrong with lte but when you market is so small why take out such a powerful processor for the few cities that get lte.
15. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
Because the processor they replaced it with is as good as the Tegra 3.
24. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it.. IS ... NOT.
there are some things the krait generation1 will be better than a T3 at, but for most things, the T3 is still the better chip. period.
40. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
It is, deal with it. You are out of your depth on this issue, please learn and stop sounding ignorant and spreading ignorance.
46. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol. speaking of spreading ignorance. do you check your links, or do u just randomly put one up hoping i wont go to it? :)
stop thumbing yourself up. its embarrassing. :)
52. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
1. I check my links, and Semiaccurate is rather famous for having moles that are terrifyingly accurate. T3 running on single channel memory is a stopgap, S4 at 1.5 GHz with Adreno 225 is a stopgap, but you seem to be fine with Tegra 3. The discussion is not about whether Tegra 3 is equivalent to Snapdragon S4, the discussion is focused upon whether Cortex A15 and Snapdragon S4 will be better. There is some evidence suggesting that the S4 is faster, some evidence that Cortex A15 is faster.
Tegra 3 is poor design, as soon as they had to go to a combined 40nm LP and G process they failed. The lack of integrated modem is bad design. The bandwidth starved SoC is bad design. Yes, the SoC may be fast, but Huawei and Qualcomm already made a better SoC that does everything Tegra 3 doesn't.
2. Ha, suggesting that I thumb myself up.
54. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
your link doesnt link to what you think it links too.. that was my point.
If you read my posts, i call them both stopgaps. Between the 2, the T3 is the better chip. Your comparing reference vs commercial. Wait till the S4 is in a commercial phone, then come running with benchmarks.
All evidence points to true A15's being faster. There isnt a single true A15 on the market to compare it to. Its being compared to A9's from last year and just barely edging them out. Thats an improvement for sure, but its not impressive when you know true A15's are right around the corner as well.
Again, they are BOTH stopgaps. If I HAD to have one or the other, I would take the T3. For what it marginally does worse in the S3 REFERENCE board with, it still stomps it with GPU and is still capable of doing many graphical things that those little bar graphs dont show off. As android apps get heavier and heavier, the extra cores of the T3 will help keep it relevant longer than the S4.
The S4 is OK when compared to last years chips. It is however still CRAPdragon when you compare it to THIS years chips. It will find itself at the bottom of the benchmark pile before the end of 2012. That is a fact.
There are quite a few around here that thumb themselves up, its not uncommon. :)
42. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
Krait is better at EVERYTHING besides some very specific use-cases that NO user will ever encounter on a phone. Literally, the only thing it is better at is in heavy, heavy multi-threaded applications, and even then, its only ahead by a little bit.
4. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
This has a Qualcom S4 which still DESTROYS the competitors dual-cores.http://www.hindustantimes.com/
technology/PersonalTech-Updates/Qualcomm-s-Snapdragon-S4-MSM8960-benchmark-results-are-out/SP-Article1-815158.aspxSo yes, this phone really is better. PA also had a post displaying the SoC's scores but I could not find the article
6. sumdude (Posts: 50; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
That may not compute in many minds b/c quad means better than dual in most of the over hyped reports circulating. Which is fine with me.
16. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
No it is not. Anandtech ran a comprehensive benchmark and the single area the Tegra 3 came ahead of the S4 was the GPU.
25. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
this still doesnt explain why T-Mobile didnt go with the T3 version to be the "first quadcore", since T-Mobile uses 42mb/s HSPA+ not LTE.
38. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
well t-mo said they will be getting the One S, not X.
41. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
Except you know, T-Mobile is building out an LTE network.
47. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no.. tmobile is PLANNING on building an LTE network... like next year. That has nothing to do with phones that are about to be released.
do we need a taco check?
yes I understand they are getting the S, but it doesnt answer the question. They can easily have the T3 in the S as it is HSPA+ 42mb capable. I just think its a missed opportunity for Tmobile.
The exynos 4210 processor was not built to support LTE or HSPA+42mb/s which is why American carriers are swapping it for an S3 for those capabilities. It wasnt an "issue using it".. it was just not compatible. The only Achilles heel on an otherwise impeccable chip.
43. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
Because they're getting the One S.
Some chipsets have also had issues with the modem necessary for HSPA42. (Exynos can't deal with it, for example)
7. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Hahahahahahaha. The exynos is #1 and the teg 3 blows the s4 out of the water.
37. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
stop laughing like an idiot and actually know what you are talking about before you open your mouth. how about you click the link i commented and also just google S4 benchmark before making yourself look like the dumbest retard.
48. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you do realize that they were testing the reference device against actual devices. Once HTC slams Sense on to it, those benchmarks are going to change.
Lets see where they sit when the X and S are released to the public.
51. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
Hmm keep telling yourself that. By the way i dont remember the single core Sensation XL running 3.5 as smooth as possible, do you?
8. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
That phone doesnt have a Tegra 3. it has a K3V2 quad core that huawei made themselves
11. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Yea thats what I said. Hauwei made a quad core that can do lte.
5. joey18 (Posts: 562; Member since: 20 Jul 2010)
Who cares quadcores those ugly phones i wan to see the gs3
19. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
i cant wait for the gs3 to come out. it doesnt matter what the specs end up being. there is so much hype that it is going to be disappointing no matter what.
26. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
not to me its not. Ive been holding on to my SGS1 since the day it launched. No matter what the SGS3 brings, it will be better than both the monsterous SGS1 and SGS2.
34. willardcw4 (Posts: 169; Member since: 01 Oct 2011)
technically the iPhone 4S was better than the iPhone 4... yet everyone (who is reasonable) is disappointed... I agree with @squallz... it could be a huge disappointment. What if it didn't have an SD card or a removable battery? Guaranteed people would FLIP!
13. cncrim (Posts: 572; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
I rather prefer dual core with 2gb RAM over quad core 1gb anytime anyday anywhere.
20. ronjr123 (Posts: 64; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
At the and of the day, these are just PHONES!!! How much processing power do they really need!?
35. willardcw4 (Posts: 169; Member since: 01 Oct 2011)
totally agree.. I don't play unreal games on my phone... nor do I want to.
21. BuckeyeCadet86 (Posts: 69; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I am happy they chose the s4 instead of the tegra 3. The S4 will be far more power efficient too because it has the built in support for LTE. It would be nice to have the raw power of a quad core cpu but with only an 1800 mAh battery it wouldn't last long enough.
22. isproab (Posts: 11; Member since: 27 May 2010)
Is there anybody else besides me that is worried about the screen & physical size of these so called "smartphones"? I saw on phonearena where this thing has an 1800 mah battery. I can't get through more than 10 hours or so on my Captivate with a 4.0 inch screen before it dies. Reading about the Samsung Galaxy S II and other phones with larger batteries it not much better.
I know of no phone on the market that is 2.75 inches wide. Thats quite large (wider than razr Maxx) and I don't believe the batter will be big enough to last any kind of time. If i'm on vacation and I leave my hotel at 9a and don't return until around 6p or so, the last thing I want to worry about is my phone being dead when I'm in an unfamiliar place where I may be using a lot of data.
27. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
u need to do some ROMing on your captivate. I have the vibrant which is the same phone and i get 24-36 hrs on a charge with moderately heavy use.
29. isproab (Posts: 11; Member since: 27 May 2010)
I've almost given up on it at this point. I've had several and they all seem to have issues. What rom do you have that you get 24 hours with moderate to heavy use?
49. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Im using an ICS rom. Its passion and/or Euphoria. Same ROM with some minor tweaks.
ICS has huge improvements in battery and such and a much better control over things like multitasking and background apps that help the battery last longer.
30. downphoenix (Posts: 2505; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
I think it is totally fair to diss AT&T on this, because HSPA+ is here and now, most customers benefit from this. Tegra 3 is here and now, most customers benefit from this. LTE is not here and now, if we're lucky most of the US will have LTE coverage by end of 2013, by that time the person who buys this phone at launch will almost be elig to upgrade again anytime, so they'll barely get to use the LTE on this phone if they dont get it until then.
36. willardcw4 (Posts: 169; Member since: 01 Oct 2011)
The XL (with LTE) also has HSPA+ for the ATT network... so you get HSPA+ AND LTE (if available)... wait for the X and XL to come out and we get some real life benchmarks before you make assumptions.
32. Murfpass (Posts: 23; Member since: 23 Aug 2011)
You know what's really funny? Supposedly the Nvidia is not compatible with LTE? I'm pretty sure there was an announcement the other day saying that it was. Also somehow Fujitsu just happens to be able to make one when nobody else can? That's weird.
45. Droid800 (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)
It isn't. NVidia is having to reach out and work with baseband manufacturers to make it compatible. But it isn't at the moment, and it won't be any time soon.
NVidia knows they screwed the pooch when it came to LTE and Tegra 3, but they're working quickly to fix it. That fujitsu prototype is evidence of that. (also recognize the word 'prototype'. That phone isn't coming out any time soon)
50. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
You would think that they learned from samsung's mistake on the Exynos and all the chip business they lost to Qualcomm on the american SGS2s. Guess not.
55. tidecrush (Posts: 1; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
There is no tough decision to make, IMO. I'll be leaving ATT and picking up the first carrier that offers a Tegra 3 device with HSPA+ connectivity. It doesn't seem likely that AT&T will achieve 42 Mbps on any device, LTE or not. I love my Tegra 2 device, and I don't want to wait. I don't understand why ATT didn't at least offer both Tegra 3, and LTE equipped devices, and let the consumer decide. AUHHHHG!