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Rare inside look at Foxconn reveals how Apple products are made (video)

0. phoneArena 20 Feb 2012, 05:59 posted on

Here’s something you’ve never seen before - Foxconn from the inside. Famous for making the best selling Apple gadgets, the Chinese factory employes over 200,000 people…

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posted on 20 Feb 2012, 07:05

1. ddxmms (Posts: 170; Member since: 09 Feb 2012)


and that's what you can call product diversity..

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 07:09 3

2. theBankRobber (Posts: 681; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


Did he just say work 10 hours a day at less then $1.50 an hour?? No wonder apple has so much money and can't bring work back to the US.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 09:02 2

9. cellgeek82 (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Dec 2009)


But is that US dollars? US dollars in some counties is a lot of money. Someone help me with this subject. I really don't know what equivalent of currency they're getting paid.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 09:07 5

10. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


according to foxcon they make around 30-35 cents an hour, way less than that $1.50. They have also admitted to 24+ hr shifts.

What a nice uber positive spin on this place. I wonder how much apple pays for this type of marketing.

The FLA has already been found to be corrupt and working for apple. They are not unbiased.

i cant wait to see all the mindless izombies come rushing in and bring their "i told u so's" like there was real truth to this little blurb.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 10:45 3

15. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)


totally agree with you and i hope i dont get another love mail from PA for this lol

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 10:48 5

16. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Funny how you believe anything negative and discredit everything else. Also you use a Microsoft pc right? Well Microsoft uses Foxconn too and their factory just had a mass suicide pact.

You're a hypocrite and a troll

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 12:08 2

24. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Microsoft does not use foxconn to manufacture Windows SOFTWARE.. lol.

My PC was made by Dell, in india. I checked the serial numbers. Generally I make my own PCs though.
Again, for the 400th time, I have not bought a single thing from foxconn since learning of their tradgedies. It is part of my decision process now. Sorry you dont have enough mindset to do the same.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 12:19 4

26. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


Microsoft that makes windows software is the same company that makes Xbox's in Foxconn. You're contributing to their profit by using their software. Since you're a man of principle you should stop using Windows and make a stand. Also you should buy only American made clothes. Nothing from Mexico, China etc due to poor working conditions there. Do you drive a gas powered car? May want to reconsider that too.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 13:52 1

32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you have got to be taco, as those are the dumbest and least logical jumps I've seen in quite a while.

my arguement is to not support goods manufactured by such means. software developed by Americans and made by an automatic press have nothing to do with that.

the biggest purpetrators of clothing abuses are the biggest name brands. tell me who makes clothes ethically with proof and ill buy them

what the hell does buying a gas powered car have to do with anything?

get a better arguement

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 14:07 3

35. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:

(country of headquarters in parentheses)

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[32]
Amazon.com (United States)[33]
Apple Inc. (United States)[34]
Cisco (United States)[35]
Dell (United States)[36]
Gateway (United States)[37]
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[38]
Intel (United States)[39]
Microsoft (United States)[40]
Motorola Mobility (United States)[36]
Nintendo (Japan)[41]
Nokia (Finland)[34]
Samsung (South Korea)[42]
Sony (Japan)[43]
Toshiba (Japan) [44]
Vizio (United States)[45]

courtesy of Wikipedia.. Remix

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 14:27 3

36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


courtesy of "you have pulled that list a half dozen times and I'm going to give you the same answer "

the ONLY thing I have on that list is my xboxes. and since I got them at launch I had no idea about worker conditions at foxconn.

my Samsung phone was made by Samsung at a Samsung plant and my dell computer was made in India at a non foxconn plant. you can look your devices up by the serial numbers on them.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 16:19 2

40. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


ok whatever makes you happy... remix... I will be happy to take that Xbox from you since it was made in evil Foxconn..

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 16:35 2

42. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


and your Dell laptop lol. Wow just wow you really don't see how stupid you look.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 18:05 2

45. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


hey taco.. it has to be taco.. even has the same lack of reading comprehension.
I dont have a dell laptop, its a desktop made in India and not by foxconn. I just said that. u think dell and all these companies use just one producer for all their products? lololol. sad sad taco.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 11:43 6

21. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


do u have any proof for ur claims? or are they just responses to facts u cant handle…

additionally, why is this all focused on apple when many many many other tech companies all use foxconn? and according to this article, these are even some of the better conditions…

i feel sorry for the workers, but honestly its not americas problem, nor apples, nor any other tech companies… its china's problem and if they think it is so horrible then they need to fix it…

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 12:03 3

23. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


I don't think remix has any interest in facts that don't support his irrational hatred of Apple.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 12:08 6

25. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


seriously, has anyone at PA run a check on dreammixer for taco-in-disguise?

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 12:22 3

27. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


" announced that it had raised the wages of junior level factory workers in Shenzhen from 1,800RMB (US$290) to 2,200RMB ($349) a month."

"According to China Daily again, the move for having factories move inland is because it has become too expensive to continue in Shenzhen. The pay rate at Foxconn Hebei (in north China) is only 1,080RMB a month."
(1,080.00 RMB = 171.525 USD)

" In the Chengdu facility — where Foxconn employees put together the iPad — staff could expect a grueling 80 to 100 hours of overtime, on top of the 174 regular work hours."

lets do some math

174 working hours + 100 overtime hours (and they get no differential) = 274 hrs.

349 a month (on the brand new payscale) / 274 hrs =
They just got a raise to $1.27 an hour. And thats at the "expensive" plant. According to multiple reports, Foxconn is trying to move to interior china where it can keep labor prices low. This is the factories where the iphone and xbox are made

$172 a month / 274 hrs a month = $0.63 AFTER the raise. THIS is the Chendu factory where your iproducts are made.

Why dont you try taking your blinders off and actually doing your own research for once? or are you too afraid of what logic and truth will show you?

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/05/foxconn-no-suicide-pledge/

http://kotaku.com/5886469/the-people-who-make-your-game-consoles-still-make-next-to-nothing

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/ff_joelinchina/all/1

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 12:46 4

28. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


okay first off i was asking for proof that fla was overridden with apple corruption, which you obviously did not supply..

i am well aware of how horrible things are in china-- very similar to industrial revolution working conditions… i dont see why u think i dont see this… i simply said this people have better conditions than others in china, which they do… a dollar might not seem like a lot per hour, but it doesnt take much to live in china-- they have a better job than many chinese

again, i dont doubt things are bad in china as u blindly think i do, but i do think it is china's problem.. not americas… china will sort itself out but it is not for us to interfere with their problems

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 13:45 1

31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


that was provided in the last article about the positive reports by another member. it's not my fault u didn't read it, refuse to educate yourself on the issue by a simple Google search, nor is it my responcibility to continually provide the same links over and over again because you and the other blind apple supporters can't remember one thread to the next.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 15:29 3

39. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


so basically u dont have one to show me that directly says that "The FLA has already been found to be corrupt and working for apple"

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 20:19

51. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


The FLA is a corperate sponsored and directed front group for good publicity.

"The association was founded in 1999, by universities and nonprofit groups, along with Nike, Liz Claiborne and several other American apparel companies that said they were eager to eliminate workplace abuses; "

The worst offenders in the apparel world founded the FLA. Do you really think they founded the company to change themselves, which they could have done without the company... or do u think its a front group for positive "official looking" press?. Do you really think that apparel working conditions have dramatically improved since 1999? The fox is guarding and inspecting the hen house and telling you everything is fine.

"The association’s monitors inspected 190 factories in 2010, out of the 4,703 supplier factories that its member companies use. While that represents 4 percent of the factories, each company is required to do an annual assessment of each factory."
- you see that? each company does ITS OWN assessment the majority of the time. How much change do you think that brings? OI...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/technology/critics-question-record-of-fair-labor-association-apples-monitor.html

here is a list of people that donate to the FLA. Do some research yourself and see how many of those companys have been dinged for excessive human rights issues. There are quite a few.

http://www.fairlabor.org/fla/go.asp?u=/pub/mp&Page=ParticipatingCompany

The FLA is a company that was started by Nike and other apparel manufacturers to "bring change" to the apparel business. It is paid for almost exclusively by apparel companies.

Ask your self why a group of apparel companies would create an outside company to look at themselves. Why dont they just make the changes themselves if they are serious? Because the FLA sounds nice so it makes for nice publicity. This way they get to "talk about" making changes instead of actually "making" changes.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 21:14 2

52. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


okay so its overrun with apparel moguls? how is that overrun with apple corruption?

i do not doubt conditions are bad in china-- already stated that, but what i dont believe is that apple rules over the fla which u still havent legitimized…

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 21:21

53. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Apple is a paid, donating member to the FLA. Again, the FLA's job is to "improve working conditions". Do YOU really think that the FLA is actually going to improve the conditions of its donor members?

And BTW, the FLA seems to ONLY inspect its donor members. It does not random inspect other companies. If you noticed, the FLA never had a single interest in inspecting Apple, until Apple started paying FLA dues.

Do you really not find that fishy at all? Does that sound like an up and up company that is really fighting the good fight to improve workers conditions. Or does it sound more like a shell company designed to improve public relations for companies with bad worker's rights issues? Considering the list of "donors", I'd bet a paycheck its the later, not the former.
Just honestly think about that for a second.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 21:38 2

56. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


okay, so if it was a completely corrupt system, how has it managed to survive for 13 years?

again i dont think working conditions are great… but i dont think they are worse than anywhere else in china-- most likely even better

posted on 21 Feb 2012, 08:49

58. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


can you tell me of all the corrupt entities that have been weeded out in the last 13 years? How many politicians have gone down in flames for corruption? How many businesses? Extremely few. In the real world, the bad guys win more often than losing.

posted on 21 Feb 2012, 09:35

60. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


ever heard of bernie madoff?

i guess i really can't argue against such a negative outlook…

oh and read the article about apple letting other organizations look at their factories… u might like that one ;)

posted on 21 Feb 2012, 09:50

61. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


read it. its only 2 of the factories of apples choosing. I'd be impressed if it was 2 of the factories of the inspection companies choosing. I havent looked up the company yet to see if its another corperate shell.

Bernie Madoff was 1 guy out of thousands of people robbing the system. And he had to have a crazy mega ponzi scheme running for years before he got caught. The ratio of "do bad things and get caught" is pretty darn low over all.

Its not negative so much as it is realistic. The system is set up that way on purpose.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 09:50

12. frustyak (Posts: 210; Member since: 08 Mar 2010)


Apple wouldn't be able to afford to manufacture iPads in the US. The US minimum wage would make the end product unaffordable, and no one would buy it.

posted on 20 Feb 2012, 10:34 5

13. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


I think that's the balance no one wants to deal with. This isn't meant as a defense for Apple at all. But we Americans want our products cheap. Companies keep products cheap by putting labor off shores. But then American's want jobs. But if companies put their manufacturing back in the US, costs would go up...and no one wants that.

On another note, I still think this says more about China than it does Apple. But I hope this expose brings about some kind of change, either from Foxconn or Apple's ability to put some weight on Foxconn. If Foxconn can randomly throw out a 25% raise to ALL of their employees so easily, then they aren't exactly hurting on money (Foxconn, that is).

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