RIM's Balsillie and Lazaridis get $12 million for quitting co-CEO post
0. phoneArena 14 Jun 2012, 13:48 posted on
A document filed Thursday by Canadian manufacturer RIM shows that former co-CEOs Jim Balsillie and Mike Lazaridis will be receiving $12 million in total while the pair is leaving the CEO post they once shared; besides the money, Balsillie and Lazaridis also get the home-version of the game...
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1. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
I just love to see in this horrible economy that when CEOs are booted out of the company for doing a horrible job, they always manage to leave with enough money never to have to work another day again.
2. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
just to counter point.
It is THEIR company. They started it. They are stepping down from THEIR creation. RIM makes billions a year even in its horrible times, and they are responsible for thousands of jobs (and soon to come lay offs from bad decisions).
Besides that, they have contracts that need to be fulfilled. If they are'nt, they get to sue RIM for contract + damages + lawyer fees. So its cheaper to just give them the rest of their contracted pay out and leave.
These guys should have stepped down long ago. That is for sure. Funny enough though is that if they stepped down when RIM was starting its downward spiral instead of waiting till it bottomed out, they probably would have went home with a lot more money from stock options.
4. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
I think what he was trying to say is that these guys are likely already filthy rich, so these guys would be more respected to decline it in the interest of where the company is now. That money could save some jobs. It would be the right thing to do.
6. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
right, because if someone OWED you 12 million bux, you would just say "nah, keep it.. i care what strangers in another country might think of me for 30 seconds"
lol. be real.
8. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
You got my point beautifully. Whatever happened to the CEOs who would say: "You know, I already have more money than I or even my grand-kids could ever hope to spend. Let me use all this extra money to to make sure the workers who dedicated themselves to my vision aren't thrown out in the street for doing so." But I guess that in the age of ultra narcissism that's too much to hope for.
9. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can you name 1 ceo that did that? lol. dude, those people dont live outside of books.
again, these are contract fill outs. its not like they saw 12 million on a table and ran with it. they are legally OWED that money and RIM is bound by the contract to give it to them. its not good, its not evil.. its just life.
no one in their right mind is going to be owed 12 million bux and turn it down.. not unless they were worth billions. in reality you worry about you and your family first, and 12 million bux goes a long way to helping your family and friends. RIM still makes billions a year in corperate email that is a very high profit margin for them. They are still a "healthy" company. healthy and shrinking are not always at odds with each other. Their new phone sales may suck, but for now, the bulk of their business... which is the way its always been.. is still fine. They've always made more on the BES side than the hardware side.
10. Rager099 (Posts: 29; Member since: 06 Apr 2009)
Dan Hesse(a Big Guy) took a pay cut for sprint...
11. Whateverman (Posts: 3248; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I'm with you jmoita2. I can't imagine any CEO turning down any kind of severance package like that. But I would like to see it put to a vote by the workers who will soon be losing their jobs to pay for these two icebergs that sunk their ship. Why should they pay for the failures of the co-CEOs? Who amount us can say they screwed up royaly at work and got paid this handsomely just to quit? I say if you're company is negatively impacted by you own bad management you should get some severance pay, but it's insane that they are being rewarded for failure.
14. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
again, contracts are binding. if you dont like it, get into corporate law and get everyone to sign better contracts. I'm all for it. I think there should be performance clauses tied to every last one of them.. But as it is, deal with reality. Reality is, that its money owed in contracts and not really a debate.
i expect every one of you to turn down 12 million dollars when offered and give it all away to other people.
Dan Hesse took a publicized pay cut. That doesnt mean he isnt making it up in other places. He is also responcible for putting a giant noose around Sprint's neck with the Apple deal that could possibly sink the company.
16. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Big difference bro. They ALREADY are millionaires, at the least. Rest of us posting here aren't close to that. I know I'm not. No one is debating what is owed to them via contracts. What is simply being said is they shouldn't get paid millions of dollars for running the company down. We have had this discussion before, so this is all I'm going to say here. We both know where each other stand on this.
17. Whateverman (Posts: 3248; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Geesh remix...can't a guy fantasize about fairness in the world of business for a sec? We live in reality, we know that the little guy takes it up the rear on a daily. But haven't you ever dreamt of justice at the job? Seen something that doesn't seem fair and wished there was a way to change it? That's all we're saying.
18. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
So true man.... I am well aware life isn't fair, that is not in dispute. Just would be nice to see some things happen that might have a slight chance of renewing my faith in humanity, miniscule as it is lol!
3. mrvid (Posts: 77; Member since: 02 Oct 2008)
No wonder these companies are going broke!! They lag behind the times and then say " Hey we better do something" Just like Nokia, made crap phones but people liked them and sold a ton of them. Same with BB, good phones, great email for business! But now there's more than just emailing business and they didn't change with the times!!
5. Republican (Posts: 99; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
Screw the workers. Remixfa is right. It's their money, and they need to take it. Workers are cheap enough, plenty in the thrid world. I say fire them all.
15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
well.. that explains alot.
can i cut off your other hand now? :)
19. Ravail (Posts: 182; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)
Blackberry has great phones, but they do not offer enough to justify a $199 price tag on any of their phones, perhaps a $50 price tag for their flagship device.. anyways.. GO ANDROID!!!
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