RIM co-CEO Mike Lazaridis apologizes for the outage, can’t say when RIM will fix this
1. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
I always wonder if these personal apologies actually do anything to change the consumer's perception of the company. If the only people who watch things like these are gadget enthusiasts, then they are apologizing the the vast minority of their users. Kind of like the CEO of Netflix apologizing. But then again, it gives something for the media to pick up and distribute as well...
I'm not sure what's going on with RIM nowadays. Seems like things keep getting worse for them...and it's their own fault.
8. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
A personal message is always appreciated. I think most BB users would hear about it from word of mouth than watching the video.
A personal appology from the CEO for a mistake is always better than a "its your fault, your holding it wrong" speech from the CEO when they make a mistake.
10. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
And here we go with that again...
So yeah, back to RIM. After putting more thought into it, it is a good practice to do. First, media outlets can just pull the video and basically act as PR for the company without RIM having to put additional work into the matter. Second, the folks mostly likely to watch this are going to be the type that will share their experience, good or bad, with other people. Your average user isn't a promoter or detractor of their phone. It works for them and that's it. It's the enthusiasts that shares their experiences with a ton of folks and if you can some how apologize to them, they are more likely to continue to share with people their good experiences. Case in point, if Verizon has an outage, people are more likely to forgive them and still promote because they feel they have a deeper relationship with the company. Versus AT&T having an outage and everyone switching or threatening to do so. BB is probably hoping to keep those talkers happy
14. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the point of bringing up antennagate was to show that there are 2 ways to solve a problem. bow your head and appologize, or strike back at your own clients while pointing fingers at them
That good will that an apology creates goes a long way. Sprint did it a few years ago when Hesse took over and he turned the titanic into something that looks like its about to finally have some real turn around.
RIM doesnt have the fanaticism that Apple has.. they could never get away with doing what Steve Jobs did. They would never get that "pass" from people.
27. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3104; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I still cannot believe that isheep would defend Apple about the antennagate. They need to accept the fact that Apple screwed up instead of saying "You are right! it's our fault for holding the phone wrong!"
Apple screwed up big time and they should have apologized, but that of course is not Apple's style anymore. It's we are perfect, we don't make mistakes, our designs in our devices are flawless.
I lost a lot of respect for Apple after that bullcrap happened. I use to love apple and love their products, but when someone screws up, they have to be mature and act like an adult and admit it. Not try to cover it up or blame it on someone else.
So yes here we go again but it is damn true. Good for the CEO for apologizing for the outage instead of saying "yes its your fault, you are in a bad coverage area, move somewhere else".
28. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
I never said anything about Apple...
21. greenroboto (unregistered)
the main different from RIM and apple were
apple product were not lame (not the best, but still acceptable), while RIM product were bad, outdated, and have the wrong technology.
13. Stuntman (Posts: 835; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
So, would you rather have no apology from RIM?
15. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
I was really just wondering the effectiveness of things like this. Apologies from videos on YouTube or blog entries by company CEOs. I wasn't saying that apologizing was a bad thing or even that the video was a waste. I wondered what you guys though...but three thumbs down means no one wants to really talk about that...oh well.
26. Stuntman (Posts: 835; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
I think things would be worse if there were no apology. I expect any service to be available only up to 99.9% of the time (or around there). In any case, I don't expect 100% up time. This particular outage lasted longer than I feel is reasonable or expected and it affected a great many people. For such a major outage, I welcome an apology from someone high up.
22. greenroboto (unregistered)
the CEO doing his best for his company.
But I think the damage might cost 10%-20% of their userbase. If this trouble come again in less than a week, then RIM would be bankrupt in no time.
2. bigdawg23 (Posts: 446; Member since: 25 May 2011)
Outages like this is one reason I moved away Blackberry devices. There are others like email size limit, slow OS & reboot, and older hardware. However, for some reason some people believe all the BS they sling about there phones. But then again that could be said about other phones.
18. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)
Yeah I moved away from them too, I remember in 2009 there was an outage and there was no apology for it. And these outages keep happening more and more often.
23. greenroboto (unregistered)
I wonder what keep the rest of bbers on this platform.
Why don't they move to android, nokia or iphone???
3. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
Living in South Africa, where BlackBerry has almost 2 million customers, it was pandemonium during the last 3 days- no BBM, no emails, no phone browsers working. One had to either use a non-BB or change wap settings for apps such as UberSocial to work. I for one was using Opera Mini on my BB- and that gobbled up a helluva lot of my airtime. It was a very long 3 days and I hope RIM has this fixed otherwise these 2 million people are buying Androids and iPhones.
24. greenroboto (unregistered)
you were stupid enough if you still using BB.
Sell the devices now and change to android, nokia, iphones while the devices still have value.
I mean NOW!!!!
4. msa1988 (Posts: 418; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Maybe RIM should come out and apologize for being such a crappy phone company. Even their "new" phones are out date.
It won't be long before RIM is gone...
6. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4813; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I hate to say it but you may be right. It seems like RIM these days just can't get anything right. Something has got to give!
17. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)
I agree, they continue to stay behind while iOS and especially Android out do them at all the time. RIM keeps banking on their enterprise service but that won't hold them for long as people keep migrating away from Blackberry phones.
5. Forsaken77 (Posts: 553; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
If a service in England went down... why would it affect the whole world? As long as you're not getting communications from England I would think you'd be ok.
11. dacastrator (Posts: 232; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
i believe all emails and bb stuff goes to one server. so if the server is down everyone will be affected even if you are in another planet. i might be wrong though.
25. greenroboto (unregistered)
that's because RIM either stupid or control freak by making a giant AOL-style internet on mobile devices.
12. Whateverman (Posts: 3251; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I can't help but to feel sorry for RIM. But for the most part, these wounds are all self inflicted.
16. idees (Posts: 12; Member since: 25 Sep 2009)
Well, i am a BB user 2 years ago and i am happy to use it.
I appreciate the fact that M Lazaridis apologized for this mess, because that was a mess for 2 days here in Europe, but it's stg that could happen to every company, no doubt...
Finally, I expect RIM to try more at new QNX OS !
19. greenroboto (unregistered)
Good luck then.
I hope you can be happy not being able to browse the internet while others can.
20. greenroboto (unregistered)
That's because RIM either foolish or control freak by trying to create AOL-style internet on mobile devices
29. downphoenix (Posts: 3155; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
Blackberry is doomed. If they dont get rid of their idiot co-ceo's that started the company within 2 years, I'll give them about 3 or 4 to live. The sooner they get rid of them the sooner they can return to profit.
The only thing they've done remotely right in the last 3 years was the Playbook, which arguably is the best tablet OS on the market. However, the device is underpowered and was overcharged, and the lack of luring developers is really hurting them on this front, nobody is going to buy a tablet with a scant couple of thousand apps when they can get an Android with tens of thousands and iPad with hundreds of thousands, and the Android is doing a good job of catching up. Sad but true the Touchpad has more apps than the Playbook, and that thing didnt survive 2 months in the market.
The tight blackberry server integration needs to be ditched. Blackberry tends to get at least 2 outages like this a year where it basically screws up your service on your blackberry, and this is the worst one they've had yet. They should at least allow the carrier's network to be a failsafe in the event there's a failure so you can still get BBM and emails.
They had their good run with getting their initial success off big business and the government. Blackberry was doing something no other company was doing (good at least) in providing mobile email services, and as smartphones improved with more PC like features they had a nice short run courting the regular consumers. Lack of innovation and gearing the market towards mass consumer has failed them. The only move that gears them towards mass consumer is heavy phone subsidies, and that's not something Blackberry could be proud of, that's something carriers have to do to offload the devices when they stop selling good.
30. minzhu001 (Posts: 5; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Don't blame anyone of the CoCEO, they may want the company better,
but can't reach the target because of the enterprise culture, like
I said 3 years ago, RIM is old before really grow up.
Strange culture in RIM, and this culture generate self-destroy
In RIM if a new hired person figure out major problem and introduce
efficient approach, both manager and his buddy group member will proof
their wrong approach works. just like someone point out driving a car
is right way, pushing a car is wrong way, then both manager and his
buddy group member will hate you, and proof that 3 person can also
move the car by pushing it. cheating email will be sent to some vice
president, saying like: see, the car moving, pushing a car is a natural
part of the process.
It is very strange company culture and strange company political
environment, it promote stealing and cheating skill. RIM's management
may be a typical instance in MBA course.
This culture deny or steal hardworking team members' contribution/
innovation, generate strange political environment, destroy RIM.
July 7th 2008 when I start to work in RIM ID group, I found RIM's
CAD skill in ID group is still in low efficient level of 10 years ago,
like ID changes can't be regenerated in mechanical part, so I point
out the problem and introduce efficient topdown process, to make
sure top level adjustment will always be regenerated in down level.
But the RIM's CAD experts wrote email to 3 VPs and successfully make
them believe that-----whenever top level adjust, continuously and
manually audit in down level is a natural part, means low efficient
is a natural part in every RIM's device design program.
They abuse their power layoff the only driver, and use 3 person
pushing the car, "continuously and manually audit in down level
as a natural part".
"continuously and manually audit in down level" is the mark of not
qualified for the position, but in RIM, strange thing happened, why
RIM low efficient, so don't blame CEO, the Co-CEO are innocent.
31. minzhu001 (Posts: 5; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Don't blame CEO, they want RIM win.
RIM has strange culture and self distruct political environment.
In RIM if a new hired person figure out major problem and introduce efficient approach, both manager and his buddy group member will proof their wrong approach works. just like someone point out driving a car is right way, pushing a car is wrong way, then both manager and his buddy group member will hate you, and proof that 3 person can also move the car by pushing it. cheating email will be sent to some vice president, saying like: see, the car moving, pushing a car is a natural part of the process, in order to deny new hired contribution of introducing skill of drive a car, they have to deny merit of driving a car.
It is very strange company culture and strange company political environment, it promote stealing and cheating skill. RIM's management may be a typical instance in MBA course.
This culture deny or steal hardworking team members' contribution/innovation, generate strange political environment, destroy RIM.
So don't blame CEO, some of their VPs and VPs' expert generate terrible culture and self destruct political environment.