RIM announces Q4 $125M loss; Jim Balsillie and others resign
0. phoneArena 29 Mar 2012, 16:13 posted on
RIM is in the middle of its quarterly earnings call and the word is already pretty bad. The company has been facing a troubling outlook for a while now, with the delay of BlackBerry 10 and the reduced number of BB10...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. androidoholic (Posts: 6; Member since: 12 Mar 2012)
Wow...but of course it had to happen. What do you expect RIM, you need to make a quality product that people enjoy, and push an OS that is at least close to as technologically advanced as Android, Apple, or Windows Phone.
27. Yummy (Posts: 117; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Yes. If I were leading the company, I would say to upgrade the current line up instead of using "outdated" technology
2. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
Well RIM decided to stick with the same 07 technology with no innovations and delays on bb10 which might have helped them a bit..
The RIM ship is sinking ! Get off while you can Jim Balsillie
3. Chronos (Posts: 258; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)
That's what happens when a company doesn't bother improving.
4. haikallp (Posts: 119; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
RIM is basically f**ked..they were so blinded by their ignorance and refused to make changes in the OS. They took their own sweet time to release new phones with OS changes. By now, its too. late for salvation. Developers are leaving RIM in favor of more competitive OS like Windows Phone. Goodbye RIM. Won't miss you :)
10. -box- (Posts: 3879; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I wouldn't be suprised if the same thing happens to apple in the near future... Companies shouldn't bask in their own hubris, they should contine to invent and improve and innovate
32. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
the difference is that apple is a religion....a religion that wont die
it will forever underachieve but the american consumer wont know or care about the difference...
Blackberry is just simply outdated (pull a battery and wait 5 minutes to start).....
6. haikallp (Posts: 119; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
this though, should serve as a reminder to other OEMs. They should not be too confident on the future of their devices/OS and stop improving. They should continue improving and come up with new, innovative ideas.
7. eaxvac (Posts: 328; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
RIM is f**ked, even if you give me BB10 right now I won't use it.
8. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
The last bb i owned was the bbcurve 8900 on bb os 5.0 .. i think that was that last time rim made an improvement over competition, after that i have not seen anything new except for tweak here and there.. but nothing is appealing at all.. i know tons of people feel the same way
9. bragzter (Posts: 48; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)
Hard to believe to see a once mighty empire as RIM crumble like that. BlackBerry is popular among kids as they use BBM everyday to chat each other. They will miss it the most, especially as they had no installing to do, it works right out the box.
11. rockstarlive (Posts: 307; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Might as well sell all of their phones for a dollar.....including that Porsche phone
12. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)
RIM must switch to Android OS now if they want to survive next quarter.
17. haroonazeem638 (Posts: 129; Member since: 29 Mar 2011)
That could work but RIM won't do it. They are all about security and all that crap which I don't believe is a big problem with Android as it usually is hyped about.
13. Jdub0323 (Posts: 9; Member since: 12 Jan 2012)
Their company image is so damaged, it will be hard to get out of the disaster that they have created. Even Windows is making them look like a joke.
22. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Well good luck to NOKIA and RIM and MICROSOFT
hope it remains what it is now what won't in the future.....
14. downphoenix (Posts: 2416; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
The RIM bashing is just ridiculous. They have fallen behind quite a bit from Android or Iphoen both, that is undisputable. However, except MAYBE in Europe, they have a big lead over WP still. Its strange that so much joy and support is being pushed for WP when it still DOES NOT SELL. Nokia has had the best crack at it so far, but the Nokia 800, remember how it sold decently well? Wanna know why? Because they gave away free XBOX 360s when you bought one! RIM shipped 11 million phones last quarter, I seriously doubt WP did that many, and even if it did, there are still a lot more people in the world using a BB than a WP at this point, given that WP is struggling to even best the old Windows Mobile platform. That could change in 2 years or so, but nothing concrete indicates this yet.
19. aarick (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
The only reason RIM is still selling so many blackberrys is because of businesses that have invested in BES server and have not moved on yet. As more and more firm move away from their BES investment and as MDM solutions mature, RIM sales will only fall.
And with iMessage from Apple and platform agnostic Whatsapp client, countries tied to to the BBM system (eg. Indonesia, as was why they launch the last BB Bold in Jakarta) will slowly fade away and sales will only continue to drop.
The main reason WP is still lagging so much is because of Apps support. Reviews always rave of how nice and fluid it is to use WP. However, when asked if they would used it, the response is always it's missing the app that I always use..or I need this app and it's not there.
Microsoft realise this and that's why MS and Nokia are investing in WP AppCampus.
But in the current market, all I can say is that Apple needs to continue to innovate as well to stay ahead. If Android can improve and drop its image of being non-user friendly and increase security on the device, Apple will really need to up its game and continue to innovate.
20. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Thats disingenuous at best.
The bulk of RIMs business these days come from existing corporate clients. There are only a few countries, like India, where RIM remains a popular solution for regular folks. The vast majority of RIMs current money does not come from phone sales but from liscencing fees for its BES corporate email suite.
WP7 had a quiet launch. We've been over this a million times. MS is just now getting to the point that they want to promote the heck out of WP7. Since Nokia has entered the game, sales have jumped exponentially, and with the upcomming push, its going to jump even farther.
Android sold like a million handsets its first year. Thats way less than WP7 sold. People wanted to write off Android right away as well, and look where it is now. MS is playing a long term game while your trying to referee for the short term.
There is absolutely no such thing as "if it doesnt catch on by X date, then its DOA". the real world doesnt work like that. As long as MS and other pump money into it, it will be around. And again, MS is looking for long term growth, not a short spike and thus is willing to continue to pump money into it.
15. sheepygalaxy (Posts: 68; Member since: 10 Mar 2012)
Rim will pull through but they will have to start at the bottom and rebuild what they had just look at what Nokia are doing now
16. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
GOOD! They never hear or pay attention....
I remember years back when some-one
reccomended, or said to have mp3 players on there phone "they laughed
at that" so could you envisage!
21. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I gotta say, this should have happened like 2 years ago. BB10 needs to be a huge hit. RIM is safe as long as they dont start eroding their business customers, which unfortunately for them is happening.. so they are getting to do or die.
I hope they do liscence out to Samsung like the other rumor suggested. That could be a good boost for them.
24. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Remixfa that avatar of urs recalls me of sessame street
froggy cookie monster elmo and guess who HELLLLLLO EVERYBODY!
26. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
dude, thats kermit the frog, from the Muppets. He's singing "hurt" by NiN.
U should look up "Sad Kermit" on youtube, there is a whole string of songs.. funny stuff.
28. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Cool that reminds recalls my childhood great days... that will never be back remence.
I still watch it some times on you tube comedy and
fun love life laughter.....
25. ironmarc89 (Posts: 37; Member since: 22 Jan 2012)
They thought that corporate america was enough to keep them competitive but failed to conform to what your BB faithful wanted that iPhone and Android already have. Now its too late and you are trying to come back. It started when you said it made no sense to have a camera on a BB. They need to just need to go strictly software and license the enterprise email to the other platforms, that way you can still have money coming in
R.I.P. BB, without you email would still suck. Moment of silence for R.I.M (bows head and closes eyes)
29. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3042; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I'm sad to see this happening to RIM. I mean one of my first major sell phones was the Blackberry Storm. Despite it's issues, it was a pretty awesome device. I was really hoping they could pull through and make great, up to date devices but that is just not happening. This is just getting more and more painful to watch.
30. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 365; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
Blackberry phones are overrated and overpriced.this is the main reason of loss.they are innovating price of the phone and not features.
31. gtrxman (Posts: 122; Member since: 10 Sep 2011)
I'm surprised it took this long for them to turn to a loss. The BES revenue is their last chance to stay alive while they push out BB10. But really, given the level of innovation from BB in the past, do we really expect a game change in BB10? BB made their fortune on email. Period. Their units have been useful as (push) email clients (which only recently supported HTML) and paperweights. For every other purpose, they were either bad or middle of the pack. How can you survive by selling a unit that can barely load a web page? How about a media player? Syncing with something other than MS Exchange? How long and how many "updates" does it take to figure this out? The board should have thrown these two clowns out long ago. I wish RIM luck because with their customer defection rate, they're going to need it.
33. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
Rim is going to be the next Sega...
sell the name and stop making phones
34. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
So, I guess no Blackberry 10 anytime soon ?????
[ Because we need another 2" screen phone with a sub-vga lcd, qwerty-keyboard, trackpad and watered-down incapable browser that barely functions ]…