Qualcomm says Snapdragon S4 will exceed the gaming experience found on today's consoles
As we have told you, Qualcomm's next Snapdragon chip will be the S4 which will allow your smartphone to eventually replace your dedicated console. The S4 will have dual-core Krait CPUs (28nm) teamed up with the speedy Adreno 225 GPU. Even right now, Qualcomm's S2 chips powering Windows Phone 7 handsets are playing Xbox Live. And the recently released Snapdragon S3 is chock full of power and functionality. Check out the video below to see how the S3 works on mobile gaming.
With NVIDIA making a smooth transition into the world of smartphones with the dual-core Tegra processors, Qualcomm is trying to cross-over into the gaming world. This is one of those situations where competition will really help the consumer as faster, smaller and more powerful electronics lay the foundation for a more mobile world of gaming.
source: Qualcomm via AndroidandMe
1. adrenoFAILS (unregistered)
snapdragons are great cpu but their adreno gpu is always trailing compared with their competitors.
7. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Snapdragon is SoC not CPU, Scorpion is CPU.
9. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
pau, they are renaming all qualcomm chips to the S1,s2,s3,s4... its not scorpion anymore, its S2 or S3 depending if its single or dual core. :)
12. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
S1, S2, S3, S4 all thise SoCs still belong to Snapdragon's family and full naming is:
Snapdragon System 1
Snapdragon System 2
Snapdragon System 3
Snapdragon System 4
Also S1, S2 and S3 contains Scorpion CPU.
18. 2ndPhoneArenaUSer (unregistered)
doesn't take away from the fact that adreno gpu is still slower than say mali or powervr.
31. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Does my previous comments talk about that? No! Then you are off topic.
33. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4749; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Look the S4 is not out yet, but one thing Qualcomm will do is that their new S4 will use less battery life. The new 28nm tech is what will enable the S4 to save so much power. I will believe that is will be a very powerful chip. My S3 on my HTC Evo 3D plays EVERY game out there now, plus it does it while pushing higher pixels on the qHD screen. If it had less pixels it would be even more monstrous! I am very happy with the S3 chips, they work just as well as other chips out there. Again there is NOTHING out there now that can make the S3 even hiccup! The S3 is a VERY competent & powerful chip. I have used Nvidia’s chips & I can’t notice a difference at all.
41. GUEST (unregistered)
S3 is old cortex 8 technology. Nvidia an ti and exynos are all A9 technology. Not that s3 isn't decent, its just not up to par with other dual core chips. Nvidia has the most powerful gpu even more so then exynos.
46. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Scorpion CPU has many features similar to those of the ARM Cortex-A8, but it is NOT a ARM Cortex-A8.
23. TOdoubleD (Posts: 114; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
You might want to do a little research. When put in phones with the same screen resolution, the adreno 220 is right at the top of the charts.
27. Idontbuystock (unregistered)
wow troll! just look on youtube as people run benchmarks, all of the video clearly shows that adreno IS a good gpu but IS beaten by the mali 400 and powerVR.
29. dumbas$TOdoubleD (unregistered)
if YOU had done any research before you ran your mouth you would know that screen resolution accounts for less than 5% of gpu processing. I bet you own yourself a evo 3d or the sensation and you feel you had to come here and defend what you've got huh TROLL!
40. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4749; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
No one is defending anything. The Qualcomm chips run one core at a time because it only uses BOTH cores when it needs to, that is why they are good on battery consumption. So the benchmarks are actually impressive because the run on ONE core. Imagine if the cores were running at the same time like the OMAP, NVIDIA, & Exynos. Then the numbers would be EVEN BETTER. It's like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. The HTC Evo 3D & Sensation's S3 chips are excellent chips.
42. IEatApples (Posts: 66; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)
Actually smartbench 2011 utilizes both cores and phones with s3 chips have scored consistently lower then phones with nvidia and exynos chips. Exynos has the most powerful cpu out there and nvidia has the most powerful gpu. S3 chips are A8 technology when all other dual core chips have the new A9 technology.
43. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4749; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
From what I read Qualcomm ONLY use 1 core at a time, I need some proof that Smartbench uses both of the cores of the S3 simultaneously!
I know the S3 chips are A8 tech that can handle ANYTHING you throw at it. Now imagine the same tech used on the A8 chips but implemented on a A9 chip. Qualcomm has something going for them they can make the most of any chip. The A8 is old tech that hangs with the newer A9 chips. If that is not impressive what Qualcomm is doing then what is?
44. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Qualcomm's Scorpion CPU whose architecture is based on the ARMv7 instruction set. This CPU has many features similar to those of the ARM Cortex-A8, but it is NOT a "genuine" ARM Cortex-A8. And that's why there is a difference between Qualcomm's Scorpion CPU and original ARM Cortex-A8 CPU.
Also ARM Cortex-A8 and ARM Cortex-A9 both are based on the ARMv7 architecture.
47. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4749; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Thanks so much, I now have a better undrstanding. :-)
45. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Exynos has the most powerful cpu out there and nvidia has the most powerful gpu."
Samsung's Exynos 4210 (a.k.a. Orion) and Nvidia's Tegra 2 both use the same ARM Cortex-A9 CPU.
"S3 chips are A8 technology when all other dual core chips have the new A9 technology."
First of all A8 and A9 is not a some kind of technology, it is just a Cortex-A series naming.
Also Qualcomm's S3 SoC use Scorpion CPU which has many features similar to those of the ARM Cortex-A8, but it is NOT a "genuine" ARM Cortex-A8.
2. Zeroos18ve (unregistered)
Wont EVEN touch the newest quad core Nvidia or the next gen TI Omap5's good try tho :)
22. TOdoubleD (Posts: 114; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is this just another, "it's better because I say it is" scenario. I heard a lot of the same comments about nothing is going to beat the Tegra 2, and well.. that's not true.
3. iankellogg (Posts: 155; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Is there any phones on the market or coming to market with the S3?
4. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
Well the video at least made me feel better about the lack of an NVIDIA chip or whatever in my phone, btw iankellog, the HTC sensation and EVO 3D have this chip as well as the HP Touchpad. It's nowhere near the performance levels of exynos however :(
24. TOdoubleD (Posts: 114; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
Because the exynos hasn't been put in anything with a resolution of higher than 800x480. The GPU in the EVO 3D and Sensation is as good as anything else out there.
28. Idontbuystock (unregistered)
what a troll!
5. FAW-Q (Posts: 63; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)
C'mon guys, competition from these chip manufacturers is a good thing for us all.
19. 2ndPhoneArenaUSer (unregistered)
20. SteveJobs (Posts: 12; Member since: 24 Jul 2011)
U fools nothing compares to my new iPhone 5 speeds
6. Dark4o90 (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Feb 2011)
i bet it won't be as good as tegra 3 or the future samsung's Soc
10. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
im dying to see what the Kal El Chip can do in real life. I really wanna see what a quad core exynos looks like though. :)
13. Adam Leonard (unregistered)
Are you kidding? A first generation Moto Razr had more computing power than what the Apollo Astronauts had on the way to the moon. A PS3 probably has more processing power than all the computers used by NASA and its contractors for the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs.
14. AhmadAlsayegh (Posts: 266; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)
after all, it is not all about the chip, or as some people call it SoC, it is more about the OS running on those devices, imagine what we could have done if we had a proper OS running those chips instead of Android
32. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I agree that good OS is really important thing, but even with "super" OS you still need a good hardware because performance doesn't comes from nowhere!
15. Vampira (unregistered)
Too bad lithium battery technology is still stuck in the 1990's. Hope you can beat those console quality games in 20 minutes or less because that's all the time you'll get before your battery gives out.
16. meandonlyme (unregistered)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We'll see what these guys can do, but until a phone comes out that beats my PS3 I will remain skeptical.
17. Gmz (unregistered)
One things consoles have going is highly streamlined and optimised games. Even looking at Qualcomm S3 techdemo, you know it's still way off from consoles. Lighting, shadows., FSAA, these take a real toll on the GPU and clearly the X360 and PS3 are way ahead in this department. The PS3's true power has still to be fully tapped and driver optimisations are constantly going on. Don't even compare these mobile chips to the PC GPU's available. Mobile chips are great and I'm sure the day will come when they truly do rival their console and PC counterparts, but I don't believe the S4 or even the S5 will quite make the cut as Qualcomm thinks. Nvidia, AMD, Sony and others are not sitting on their arses waiting for Qualcomm to play catch-up. Neither are Qualcomm's mobile rivals PowerVR and a host of other mobile chip vendors including ARM, Samsung and TI. This will happen, but not with the S4.
25. mucaaco (unregistered)
What Qualcomm is saying is not far from reality. Xbox360 was first released about 6 years ago and PS3 1 year later. And the later version releases did not changed the performance of those consoles so much, except for the die size used for the chips. What is great 6 years ago may not be great anymore today because of the past pace of technology. Try searching youtube for comparison of consoles with PC performance and see how mainstream PC of today (not even gaming PC) can outperform consoles of today. Of course Nvidia, AMD, Sony and others are not sitting on their asses and Qualcomm may not be able to catch up with those big companies, but take note that it is comparing the S3 to the consoles of today, not the consoles of tomorrow.
26. mucaaco (unregistered)
It should be S4, not S3. :))
30. Matty (Posts: 15; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)
If thats the case with these chips, the xbox 360 and the ps3 and other consoles will become redundant in a few years time. Imagine just downloading the game direct to your phone via LTE/Wifi and then plugging in via HDMI or via DLNA to your tv and playing the games with a wireless controller paired with your phone. Microsoft could do it with their who xbox live thing in their phones but I doubt they would wanna lose out on the money they are making from their consoles.
Looking forward to seeing how the next gen games consoles come out.
37. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4749; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Me too, the current consoles are 6+ years old. When the new consoles come out it will murder whatever the phones have!
34. KingK (unregistered)
They put a Tegra 2 in Galaxy S2 and it ran ~4000 quadrant.
So much for Exynos. Nothing special just lower resolution and i/o tricks by samsung.
38. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"They put a Tegra 2 in Galaxy S2..."
I don't think that there is such thing like a Samsung Galaxy S II (I9100) with Nvidia's Tegra 2 SoC !
I only know that there is Samsung Galaxy R (I9103) with Nvidia's Tegra 2 SoC and results of Quadrant benchmark is ~3613.
Correct me if I'm wrong!
35. KingK (unregistered)
Snapdragon is a turd now, by the time S3 comes out, it will be already passed by with quadcores/tegra 3/etc.
36. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4749; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Dude the S3 is out already, ever hear of the HTC Evo 3D, the HTC Sensation & the HP Touch Pad. They all have the S3 in them. lol Nice try buddy! lol :-)
39. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...by the time S3 comes out..."
Snapdragon System 3 is already here, you can find it in the HTC EVO 3D, HTC Sensation 4G, T-Mobile myTouch 4G smartphones and the HP TouchPad tablet.