Prototype of turn of the century Apple iPad spotted in court filings
0. phoneArena 18 Jul 2012, 10:55 posted on
Photos of a prototype Apple tablet from the early 2000s has appeared in court documents related to the Apple-Samsung patent wars; the late Steve Jobs had often said that a Apple tablet led to the development of the Apple iPhone, and now we have a better idea of what the tablet looked like...
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1. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Sounds like the boys in Cupertino are trying to date when the iPad concept was first reduced to practice.... It will be interesting to see how they wiggle around the work that Palm was doing in the mid-90s.
3. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
it would also be interesting to see if palm has this kind of prototype way back in the mid 90's. photos or it never happened
6. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
If Palm filed patent applications on any of their work, photos won't be necessary. Just need to be able to work the search engines.
4. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
you could not use your fingers with the Palm.. the ipad was design for that
9. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
It is pretty well settled that Apple does not own multi-touch. Even with a requirement to use a stylus, the essential design and functionality of a tablet was in place by 2000. Apple implemented packaging and marketing, but doing something in a smaller footprint is not necessarily patentable, in and of itself.
11. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
All they did was packaging and marketing huh? I guess it had nothing to do with rewriting software to be touch friendly with no stylus.
20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Are you claiming Apple invented multi-touch?
25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Where in my comment did you read I said Apple invented multi touch?
47. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
And you interpreted that as invented multi touch?
17. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Users were able to use their fingers with Palm devices. A selection was made when any object pressed two layers on the screen together. Pretty low tech by today's standards, but it meant users did not have to use a stylus.
21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Yes, but iOS is light years ahead of what palm had at that time. And palm phones did come with a stylus.
32. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
That's true for the iPhone and every other smartphone available now, including my Motorola Droid Razr. But none of the devices we carry now would be here if not for the tech developed by Nokia and Palm. These companies were the pioneers of touchscreen smartphones. Apple took the next next step in the evolution of touchscreens and the smartphone, but we can't forget the contributions of these other OEMs.
34. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Doesn't matter. The concept of touch-based UI was out of the bag and prior art dates from that point. Which is way before Apple came on the scene with their iterations.
41. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1703; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
You know light years is distance not time so your analogy is false
38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and the microsoft tablet that was OUT by that time, and a dozen others.
45. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
what were the dozen other tablets?
2. ohiwastedmylife (Posts: 17; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
That OG iPad has less bezel than the modern one?
7. andro. (Posts: 1990; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
The real 'actual' date of this apple evidence would be interesting to find out,especially as the so called early prototype looks better than the current iPad design except for the thickness factor. All that aside,the android tablets are totally different from the iPad so this evidence attempt by apple is more desperation. Many companys have theorised and attempted tablet devices years ago but never actually released on,apple seems to rather conveniently have detailed evidence of their early attempts. Many manufacturers have actually released to market as well as produce prototypes of touch screen phones before the first iPhone,how can apple claim companies are also copying that?! Its almost so ridiculous its funny!
12. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
How many android tablets were on the market prior to the iPad?
16. andro. (Posts: 1990; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Yes the iPad was the first,but that was because as much as other manufacturers made tablets prototypes they never released them themselves as they were unsure of the need of the device for people and thus the actually ability of sales as it was a new market. Apple launched theirs first as no matter how the device was they knew that they were guaranteed sales volumes from the army of ifans out their foaming at the mouth ready to buy any new idevice no matter what it was,revelant and needed or not,
22. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Actually no. A lot of people thought no one would buy tablets. Apple had the guts to take a huge risk and launch one. Once android OEM's saw Apple's succes they copied as they always do.
24. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
That doesn't give Apple the right to a sales ban.
26. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Again where did I say something about banning? You're having arguments in your head I'm not making.
35. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
You are the biggest advocate for Apple getting sales bans on this forum. Just because you may not have advocated for a sales ban in this thread does not excuse your prior or future actions.
48. quakan (Posts: 1285; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
I remember trying out an Archos tablet at a RadioShack before the iPad was ever introduced...so the iPad was not first. Don't forget Windows tablets either.
23. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Tablets were on the market way prior to the iPad. The existence of those prior examples of the tablet form and function create a problem for Apple as regards prior art. The iPad is just another take on the tablet form/function factor. Same for Android tablets.
42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
quite a bit of tablets were on the market before the ipad.
they were a different kind of tablet though. they were touch screen PCs.
MS tried to take a PC and squish it into a phone/tablet long before the hardware could perform well enough.
Apple's only real change was to take a very basic mobile OS and try to pretend it was "PC like".
did it change things? Sure, it did. Tablets would still be here with or without Apple though. The only difference is they would just now be getting useful since hardware has finally cought up to full PC style horsepower. That and instead of your whole "ipad market" BS, you would be saying "android tablet market" BS instead as android would have entered the space regardless of who else was there.
44. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
There was on tablet market before the iPad. Sure there were tablets that no one bought. No one bought them because they were poorly designed. Apple was smart enought to realize you have to create a pleasant experience for people to buy it. You can't just slap a PC OS on a tablet and think it will work.
Android OEM's didn't have the guts to create a tablet so they waited on Apple and once they saw Apple's success they followed their lead.
8. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
So what if the prototype looks like the GTabs and Gnex? They don't have a patent for the design of the prototypes.
10. MEeee (Posts: 306; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Apple filings was around the same time the HP Compaq TC1100 tablets were released.
13. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
The quote from Steve Jobs only tells me one thing:
He did not came up with the design of the iPad, and he did not design the iOS.
he was just dreaming about having something called a multi-touch tablet in which he could type on.
And yet he's being praised for "Inventing" it?
I'll thank the designers instead.
15. Aeires (unregistered)
Probably after watching 2001, A Space Odyssey, back in 1968.
27. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Another problem with the whole prior art thang. Especially from a design perspective. The tablet shown in Kubrick's Space Odyssey is close enough in design that I am waiting for Sammy's attorneys to bring that up as prior art.
14. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
And the big question is: WHY ONLY NOW?
18. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
you don't bring out your ace until you are threatened!
28. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
One ace doesn't do much against a full-house.
19. SteveDoes (Posts: 3; Member since: 20 Feb 2012)
What's with the black and white pictures. Didn't we have color cameras back then?
29. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
What is with the fuzzy b&w photos? There was at least 1024x768 back then.
40. DonkeySauce (Posts: 185; Member since: 03 Dec 2011)
They didn't have color cameras way back then...
49. Lwazi_N (Posts: 205; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
Apple have taken it too far. Samsung should also come up with doctored material and claim they were working on a tablet in 1999.