Protesters gather at Apple HQ to demand "ethical iPhone"
1. tward291 (Posts: 559; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)
im not defending apple but they are not the only company that uses foxconn but i guess if your going to stop this you gotta start somewhere. I doubt apple will bring jobs back here to the states they could move production to india or philippines or some part of south america maybe even mexico.
40. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
But Apple is the only company that I know of which pursues such massive margins on their phones while forcing Foxconn to cut their margins to the bone.
56. cellgeek82 (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Dec 2009)
Actually if I'm not mistaken, the Xbox 360 is made by Foxconn too. Let's go beat down Microsoft as well. J/K
I'm so tired of these hippies protesting. If they'd work we wouldn't have to outsource.
2. InJuxHurYlem (Posts: 19; Member since: 07 Oct 2009)
--"Because, users may want an "ethical iPhone", but they still don't want to have to pay too much for it."
Ya, they have no problem with paying $300, in fact they'll line up and spend the night in a sleeping bag outside a store to do it...but they draw the line at $350.
3. Carlitos (Posts: 362; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
I don't understand, why did apple go to Asia to manufacture. Obviously the higher demand is here in the North American and Europe. Why would they go to Asia where they would have to pay more money for shipping. Or are they there just to take advantage of does poor asian workers. Someone please explain?
4. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
that is correct Carl. The labor involved is much cheaper over there. So even tho the demand for the product is here, it's still cheaper to use that kind of labor and ship it to the States.
5. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
because instead of paying american factory workers 10+ an hour, they can pay Chinese slave labor at about a buck an hour. they just got a raise to like 1.50 in shenzen, though the people that work at the ipad lab in inner china still make less than a buck an hour. Chinese slave labor also doesnt get much for employee benefits, and china has a much lower corporate tax rate. America has the highest to 2nd highest (depending on the year) tax rate in the world. Companies like Apple save billions a year in taxes and labor costs.. well more than what it costs to ship the products back.
Every time you vote for a new corporate tax, your not only voting to send more jobs over seas, you are also voting to raise YOUR taxes, as corporations do not actually pay taxes. they filter the taxes they owe into the cost of the product so that YOU actually pay the taxes for them. They just filter it from you to the government.
6. Mandroid (Posts: 209; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
........are....are you f'ing serious? You do know pretty much every major american company outsources because it's phenomenally cheaper to produce overseas, right? It's a crappy practice, but they all do it.
9. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Then we should impose huge tariffs,therefore making it cost prohibitive to manufacture overseas then reimport such products to the US for sale. if you want to rip the benefits of selling it here at astronomical prices,the least we as a nation can ask you to do is to employ those same consumers as workers.
11. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yes, lets get even more punative!! its the high costs that drove them overseas.. so lets bring them back with... MORE HIGH COSTS.
yea, sorry that doesnt work. if you want to bring the business back, you have to entice them by LOWERING the cost of doing business in america, not raising it.
They left to get away from american taxes.. charging them more american taxes isnt going to solve the problem.
17. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Oh,yeah,you are so right...not. So, the poor corporations are shipping all their manufacturing overseas because they pay too much taxes...Poor them. Turn off Fox News,while there is still hope.
19. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
again with fox news....always a sure sign of a cop out.
just as long as you dont watch the daily show and call that news i wont make fun of you for copping out with the fox news comment jmoita
they need to bring business here regardless of how someone feels about the taxes. We need jobs in america plain and simple...i think we can agree on that?
21. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
sure sign of someone that has no idea about what they are talking about.. make a fox news crack.
here's some pot and a tyedye obama poster. go have a good time.
32. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
Remix, your dead wrong my friend.....corporations do not go over seas because of taxes, they go because then they do not have to follow Americas strict labor laws, I.e overtime pay working conditions ( osha) ect ect....they use taxes as a scapegoat. An example is the suicides at foxconn, had that been an American plant and American workers osha would have been up apples a** in a heartbeat, but hey since it was in China no one made a big deal about it......and by the way its a proven fact that people who watch fox news are the most unneducated when it comes to current world events.......but hey what can you say for a company who's only goal is to bash democrats
34. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its not even worth replying to that brainwashed nonsense. He didnt read anything I wrote and obviously hasnt done any actual research other than what happens on the Daily Show.
thanks for gettin my back though, bio. :)
38. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
What scared are you? By the way I'm a born and raised rebuplican who has never watched the daily show in his life.............I think your afriad of replying because your afraid your wrong, and if you dont believe me about the fox news thing heres a link
If you still dont believe me, there is more info on the study that was taken, just google it
by the way, I no longer respect your opinion on any topic seeing as you chose to insult me and hide from my comment
41. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ok, just to stop you there...
you are using THE HUFFINGTON POST, one of the most notoriously open socialist slanted sites as proof of concept against fox news. lol
Im not hiding from anything park, my views on these subjects have been well documented on these boards. I've entertained this conversation a dozen or so times, each with tons and tons and tons of info, statistics, and laws to back me up.
I'm not looking for your respect, but your obviously looking for mine. BTW, I also watch the Daily Show as well as fox... oh and msnbc, bbc, reuters, and all the rest.. on top of looking for actual statistics and laws on the matter. its called informed opinion. If you want to see my views on the subject, you can simply search the site. I've written pages and pages on it.
43. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
Your still avoiding the point Remix, I copied the first link that popped up on a Google search, like I said there are plenty of other sites........
And one other thing, if you do watch the daily show then why insult others for doing so? That is like gallito insulting someone for using an iphone. And as far as the respect issue, its common deciency, obviously bio has respect for you because he defended you, when I maid my post you chose to insult me when I did nothing of the sort to you
51. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
because I dont watch it as news like so many people do. I also like to watch both sides of issues. I am neither democrat or republican. Again, its called being fully informed.
It was insulting what you came at me with. It was insulting because it shows that you were responding without actually reading anything I have written. Blind attacking is something of a joke around here.
54. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
Ok I will admit I did not read your first comment before I posted.....just you second
Although, I still think its hypocritical of you to watch the daily but insult others that do, even if they do tend to consider it a valid news source,like I said that is would be like gallito insult some one for using an iPhone, I personaly do not watch fox, they are to extreme right wing for me, don't get me wrong, but I would rather watch actual news instead of people just sitting their and bashing Obama but seriously you should look into this study they did just google "fox viewers less informed" and it should all be right there for you
58. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
just to throw a wrench in the gallito analogy... for the longest time that chicken head was using only android products all the while touting iOS and hating on android. he just recently got an iPhone. lol
there was another study that showed fox viewers were more informed on current American events and were more likely to understand economics. you can word a studybto show anything.
62. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
Wow really, he used Android but bashed it, I would of guessed he would have prefered death before touching an Android based on his comments
As for the study issue I would have to agree with you, that's been one of my main gripes with media outlets, you never know if your getting truth or a spin
49. bayusuputra (Posts: 947; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
they outsource because:
- cheaper labour cost
- more labour forces
- less tax
- less strict labour laws
- shipping fees that goes lower over the time
- easier to bribe officials (esp if you are big player in the industry)
and i don't think it stops there.
so actually we can't single it out to tax, or shipping cost, or the laws.. all of these are the determining factors whether or not a company should outsource or not..
57. cellgeek82 (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Dec 2009)
Remember remixfa, liberals are willingly ignorant. You can't teach them anything. They're a misinformed mob and hellbent on staying that way. The mob is attacking Apple now mainly because it's the loudest subject right now.
When something else gets under their skin they'll leave Apple alone. I bet they even organized their protest on Apple products, even using Find My Friends to gather at the same place and used Siri to research protesting.
39. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
You're my hero remixfa!
Let's keep taxing those rich bad corporations so the poor people pay less taxes right? This makes sense only if you're a total ignorant.
Everybody is leaving, even companies that have been manufacturing here forever and nobody gets it!
Pretty soon we'll be asking Foxconn to open something here so desperate we will be.
7. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Because they want to milk every single possible penny as profit. And yes,if they could have people in chains building them for free,they would. they couldnt care less about the american worker,or any other worker for that matter. All that matters in the end is profit.
22. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you do realize that a company only exists to be profitable right? Unless you take a tax exempt status as a non-profit company, you exist to make money. Im sure you dont mind if workers get paid right? how about investors? shouldnt they get paid? how about the guy that starts the company?
oh, yea, i bet u think that they should be forced to give all their money to the government, so they can give it to you.. so u can sit on your butt and get high.
60. ricking (Posts: 59; Member since: 10 Nov 2010)
are u serious, its about profit margin!!! they pay those people s**t!!!
8. JGuinan007 (Posts: 647; Member since: 19 May 2011)
I think Apple Should buy T-mobile with it's 100Billion
10. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
And I think Apple should use the 100 Billion to build a faster than light ship then launch itself out of our solar system. Perhaps go look for the 10th planet or something.
12. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
eeh, no, i do not want to work for apple thanks. my days are long enough as it is without mandatory 36 hr shifts.
13. Rayzin (Posts: 83; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Setup in the USA?! HAHAHA ha haha ha.. that's a good one
14. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
what I want to know what is remix has done besides running his mouth here and not purchasing foxconn products.. or is that it remix... you talk the talk.. will leave it at that
15. Rayzin (Posts: 83; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
your an idiot, go ahead report me, it will still be true
16. bizwhizzy (Posts: 45; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)
reading... your comments... makes me imagine... that either you are a robot... computing each sentence... or someone... with a speech... impediment...
24. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1673; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
he wants to be more like Siri. I....Found....This...For...You..I Will.. Call you...Fag star....from now on....okay?
20. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
i'll gladly run my mouth because i agree with most of what remix says...
you on the other hand say things that make me bash my head into a glass table
23. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
there is 2 types of people.. the ones we have here are talkers... they talk about this and that.. but that's all they do... that does nothing for the workers in China.. I don't support how they treat the workers. but if I want to change something. I will do it.. instead of just talking... so go change the world from your computer chair...
25. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1673; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
So you don't support it but are too lazy to try and make a change? If everyone had your mindset nothing would ever get done you lazy ass
28. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
and yet still change as much as any people that cares... which is nothing...I get up for things I can control and change
52. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
then why be a hypocrite and yet throw blame? ;)
31. Rayzin (Posts: 83; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Hmm, whats worse? Somehow who sits in their chair and talks about things that need to be changed... or someone who sits in their chair.... and contributes NOTHING to the conversation? hmm...
29. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
boycotting foxconn products is more than you have done. and its the only thing that will get things to change. hit them in the pocketbooks.
46. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Last time i Checked foxconn is booming and the linesto work at Foxxconn gets longer.. i doubt that you boycotting their products hurts foxconn pockets..but oh well keep living in denial..
50. bayusuputra (Posts: 947; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
dude, my backside is jealous of the BS coming out of your mouth.. haha!
18. joey18 (Posts: 562; Member since: 20 Jul 2010)
Who cares they have job the problem is not apple is goverment of those countries
26. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
I agree with most of what has been stated here today. I am no fan of Apple but, I do think businesses are too heavily taxed. I think the U.S. should give tax breaks and incentives to U.S. companies willing to "in-source" production and services, including but not limited to customer service support calling centers, of goods and products especially technology. I also think the U.S. government should subsidize a small percentage of difference in higher wages companies would have to pay U.S. workers; this subsidy can be in lieu of having to subsidize the individuals through programs like F.U.I., Food Stamps, Welfare, W.I.C., etc. Get my point!
30. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
wrong chicken head.
as an individual the only means of change that are at my disposal are joining with organizations that have better resources. My name and contributions are on that sumofus.org petition. I do what bit i can to educate the public that I touch on the subject, and I do one of the few things that companies will listen to.. reduce their profits by not buying their products until they change. And no, its not just Apple, as some of my favorite toys are made by foxconn.
you are a lazy apathetic hippocrite. you dont like that someone is taking a stand because u only care about yourself. If it was your family in those factories you would be singing a different tune. They once treated American workers that way until everyone rose up against them. Apathetic fools are always on the wrong side of history and do nothing but prolong the inhumane treatment by continuing the cycle.
63. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Yes i care about my family and myself... nothing wrong with that... if everyone will do it.. we wouldnt have to care for them... you educate people?... please.. you get thumbs down here from the fandroids themselves that are tired of you talking about workers... that you do nothing.. for them.. there lives are same as a month ago.. u taking a stand does nothing for them...
64. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
as long as im the only one, and people cant bother to get off their fat asses, then yea.. nothing will change. but thats your decision to continue their life by continuing to do the things that cause them harm. A few thousand people loudly boycotting until things change can change the system. Considering how many people apple has sold to, thats not that many.
But you go ahead and sit on your ass and tell everyone else how you cant change a thing while keeping your nose in your precious ipad.
BTW, the vast vast majority of my thumbs down are by you and the other ibots that see my posts and auto thumb me down because you cant think of a good counterpoint.. because your wrong.
35. Doakie (Posts: 1383; Member since: 06 May 2009)
I signed the petition. But I would never go protest about this. I hate hippy protesters marginally more than I hate Apple owners. If I was surrounded by a whole bunch of hippy iPhone owners I might go on a rampage...
42. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
im not going to apple HQ and holding picket signs. that doesnt do anything unless you have a large group to draw the media's attention. Besides, I'm one of those "stupid" people that believes in work not hand outs... so I'll be at work while everyone is protesting lol.
36. pongkie (Posts: 506; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
but when apple increased their prices people will complain again.. ahhh what a wonderful world
45. kanagadeepan (Posts: 738; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
With 30$ as manufacturing cost and extra 60$ for Promotion + Transport, apple need NOT increase cost, imho... I am NOT mentioning their sea of cash reserves and stock value to this case...
37. chazking99 (Posts: 12; Member since: 09 Feb 2012)
Apple is an American company, with no manufacturing in the us. Samsung Korean Company with jobs in the us what is worng with this picture, if a foreign company can do it and make money then why can"t an american company do the same. I am tired of all these company's raping the american people for a couple more bucks in their pockets and that is all it is.
44. kanagadeepan (Posts: 738; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Wow... Expecting ethics from a company which tries all tricks in book to block development of its competitors... Not going to bring any fruit, imho...
47. ilia1986 (unregistered)
People protesting against Apple. Protesting. Against Apple. FINALLY!!
This is the beginning. The fight for freedom starts now!
48. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Interesting talk, but how is it Toyota, Honda and other japanese manufacturers have opened up plants in the U.S. if businesses are so heavily taxed? What different businesses get taxed differently? Aye bon dieu! You know I don't really know much of anything at all, I'm just asking a question to those who are more knowledgeable that I am.