Pre-registration for HTC One in the U.S. reaches several hundred thousand
0. phoneArena 26 Mar 2013, 15:42 posted on
If you go by the fact that several hundred thousand people in the U.S. have sent in their email address to pre-register for the HTC One, it certainly sounds like HTC has a winner here; according to HTC President Jason Mackenzie, the number that have pre-registered for the device in the U.S. has surpassed the total for any previous HTC launch in the states...
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1. Ninetysix (Posts: 1680; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
This will most likely be my next phone. Can't wait.
10. amiroo (Posts: 269; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
correct maybe it can better sell than s4 maybe not ..
there is dont matter whats number sell of both..
i really attract with one cus its most perfect phone that i see..
if htc had enough money for advertice like samsung im sure it beat s4 even in sells..
Yet one in king 2013 and surely help to htc for back to glory time.
11. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
Have you owned HTC products before? Or are you purchasing on looks?
After owning HTC products for the last nine years, I have decided to move on. I feel HTC was one of the best phones out. However, there as been a compromise in owning one. Battery life is subpar and not being able to replace my own battery is a definite setback. The decision to tighly seal all components in an aluminum casing is not a good idea.
First) Since batteries are expendable items in terms of vulnerability, not having access to it is anti consumer friendly with forcing consumers to visit a retail store for replacement. In most cases, there is still a charge for normal wear. HTC has not covered these replacements. Having access to a battery is far cheaper.
Two) Aluminum is extremely conductive of ambient temperatures. Hermetically sealing a battery in an aluminum casing with no way for components to breathe, is a potential nightmare waiting to happen. Batteries especially, are fragile with heat. I cringe at the thought of how many iphone5s(which was only launched in september) and HTC Ones will meet some sort of internal overheating damage this summer due to the temperatures inside of the phones climbing way above outside temp when in the sun.
I'm rather disappointed at tech geeks that ignore this vital law of physics. We are so into aesthetics that we forget about logic of why phones haven't been made of this material before. Leave it to Apple to sell a mindset of metal being better and so everyone wants to follow.
I wrote a blog awhile back stating that geeks have made such a push for aluminum since the iphone5, that questioning whether it can be done, is overemphasized vs whether it should be done.
13. Ninetysix (Posts: 1680; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
Except the battery life of the One is up there. I'm well aware of the battery issues of previous HTC phones.
16. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
Again, are you purchasing on looks?
The article specifically mentioned using a snapdragron processor but also does not mention whether LTE is included. I presume no. User time is dependant on these two factors.
But set all this aside, are you ignoring the facts of all aluminum? Thumbing me down does not change the way aluminum conducts heat. It is what it is.
I'm not trying to sway your interest. I am trying to mention things that these manufacturers are not. You ever grab a piece of aluminum on a hot day?
33. true1984 (Posts: 593; Member since: 23 May 2012)
Really? It sounds exactly like you're trying to sway his decision. Why dont you just let him decide instead of bitching about a decision that doesnt concern you?
37. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
Indirectly, the more decisions that are based more on asthetics in a fickle industry such as the wireless industry, the more other will companies follow which does affect me and others that seek less repair shop involvement. I shouldn't have to go to a retail store to have them replace something I can do myself?
42. true1984 (Posts: 593; Member since: 23 May 2012)
i personally he realizes this information and you're kinda being a troll
19. DKJnr (Posts: 24; Member since: 11 Mar 2013)
Good to see someone else who has owned HTC phones for the last 9 years but, you don't have to deceive people with your untrue theories.
1) Check GSMarena.com and the One has a very good battery that competes quite well even against the SGS4 except for standby where SGS4 excels. But, it has the best battery performance ever of any HTC phone. It even performs better than SGS4 by 1hr on web browsing test. HTC also sells battery pack for about $30 that can recharge your phone like 3 times - been using one with HTC One X+ & it works well. Replaceable battery, old and tired story
2) I have owned 2 aluminum body HTC phones and the heating story has never come up nor have I ever experienced what you describe after owning each of the phones for 2 years. So, another baseless claim!
Get your facts right!
Only deal breaker that's worth mentioning is lack of Micro SD but even then with a 64GB, not sure why one needs the card IMO.
22. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
I've been around and using cellphones for 27 years and most people over these years have never experienced major problems with plastic based phones. It simply has always worked. It's pliable enough to absorb a drop and allow the user to mostly escape with an inexpensive repair. I have been a service technician most of my 50+ years and still have not been able to change the way aluminum transfers heat and cold. It absorbs the energy of these elements. Ice machines use it for the evaporators that make the ice and heat exchangers for furnaces use it to heat your house. Some electronic semi-conductors such as Triacs are mounted to large aluminum heat sinks to draw the heat away from this component to keep it cool. Just because YOU haven't experienced a problem, doesn't mean the potential doesn't exist or hasn't happened. I witness on a daily basis the issues that can happen to components exposed to extreme heat. Aluminum is generally avoided in electronic applications unless used as heat sinks. "Hermetically" encasing a phones components in an aluminum body, IS a potential for issues whether you have witnessed it or not.
Why is the removable battery an "old tired story?" Batteries haven't changed. Sure phones are using larger ones, but the durability and design hasn't changed They fail and they fail a lot. Most batteries fail due to over use and overheating which can also be contributed to the over use. Applying heat to the battery, is very bad in ANY application.
24. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Another drawback in plastic is like comparing BMW vs FORD
28. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
It may also be worth mentioning DKjnr, that aluminum wiring in buildings and homes has been eliminated because of this heat conduction. Fires caused by overheating due to amperage draw.
32. lyndon420 (Posts: 1785; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
You mentioned heat sink. I don't know of any solid plastic that allows the internals to breathe. In my opinion the aluminum should help dissipate the heat better. One shouldn't be leaving any phone in the sun.
35. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
You are correct. "Solid " plastic doesn't really allow internals to breathe either and technically, aluminum "can" dissipate heat better. But only in the form of a heat sink. Heat sinks are physically attached to, and used to absorb heat from components that generate heat. If not attached, there is really nothing for the heat to transfer from. But let me ask you a question. If you were to be trapped in a solid construction on a hot day, which would you choose? A completely "solid " aluminum housing or a plastic housing?
The other issue to consider, is color of object. White repels, black absorbs. So, in the same scenerio, HTC's white aluminum would slighly be better over Apple's darker aluminum. But, key point here is absorbtion. What do we not want the phone and more importantly, the phone's battery, being exposed to? As it stands, keeping the battery cool is the most essential goal for this application or face shorting due to overheating it. So, would you rather have a solid aluminum construction to hold the heat for the battery to create more heat? or a pieced polycarbonate contruction where this air can enter or expel?
23. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Both are good phones, as far as design is concerned, Htc One is simply class and "PRESTIGE" but in terms of Specs and feautre "S4 stands out first"™
The display on the Htc is kinda neutral vs Amoleds rich saturated colours. Battery and feautres lack, no SD card and removal battery®
I think the One is the better device, better build, screen on par or for some who prefers the natural looks, the One is. Ir does all the things you will actually need on a daily use better, all extras Samsung is adding are might not be needed, they are just cool feautres to make you're friends say wow!
Both is superb phones
26. 46modnar (Posts: 14; Member since: 26 Mar 2013)
Slammer / John B.,
I'm not a thermo-engineer, but I did study thermo in physics. Here's my understanding of heat transfer: 2nd law of thermodynamics says a system wants to be in thermal-equilibrium, so if there is a heat potential between two masses then heat will flow across it trying to reach equil. I'm leaving out some details (relative heat capacity, etc.) but in the case of a cell phone perhaps we can agree that heat will either flow from the inside -->out or outside-->in.
The only situation in which you'd have more heat flowing from outside --> in, is if the outside temperature is *higher* than on the inside. If you think about it, that is not a practical situation (except perhaps sitting on your car's dashboard, which I don't think they run benchmarks for), so for any useful situation, the heat is going to want to transfer from inside the phone to the outside, and we want the best heat conductor possible. As you said Aluminum is very conductive and a good choice (which is why you see it on audio power-amp heat-sinks and such).
The only drawback I see is that since it's such a good conductor, you might feel the heat in your hand more than a plastic phone, but in turn this means that it's doing it's job removing heat from the CPU, etc.
The other aspects are aborbing heat from the sun (aluminum vs. plastic) and perhaps you are right about that, but then there's also heat transfer by convection to the air of aluminum vs. plastic and I think Aluminum would be better there (but I'm guessing).
I'll be looking forward to reports of thermal performance on the HTC One vs. other similar devices (S4, Moto X, etc.)
29. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
It is refreshing to hear some candid argument vs childish revolting.
My point was exactly what you pointed out in where the phone is. Most people do NOT have knowledge of materials. And most cellphone users will place their phones anywhere without thinking. Placing a phone in direct sunlight on a 80 degree day is bad enough. Now add an aluminum body to it with no air movement within the phone. Batteries will be damaged and potential component damage along the way.
30. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
I feel the use of aluminum over polycarbonate(the material for phones), would be better with the air flow present. Sealing the inside will absorb rather than expel if the heat is indeed hotter on the outside. Components in a phone, generally generate very little heat. They do, however, need to remain as cool as possible. Unless cooled by air flow, physically attaching the component to a heat sink such as aluminum, is preferred. This is not done with phones and the only benefit would be to have the outside, environment temp cooler than the inside. Carbon within the components are great insulators but are vulerable to outside ambient temps which is why cooling fans are generally used in applications where ambient heat is excessive or generated.
45. vladd100 (Posts: 56; Member since: 12 Jul 2012)
why don't you reveal your position inside samdung...
48. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
I don't work within the wireless industry.
47. b1acktiger (Posts: 210; Member since: 19 May 2012)
wow John, When you comment every time, There must be a story to tell the customers about cooked story. And end up like I still like HTC after bashing for various reasons which you faced, Not everybody has a problem with removable battery and MicroSd card. Atleast not for me.
49. Slammer (Posts: 1125; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
I don't deal with customers in the wireless industry. This means they are quite safe from being bored to death with my stories.
I have been a service technician for 30 years. I am a registered and certified technician with the national CFESA organization. My primary duties are working with gas, electric and steam products. Replacing electronic controls and circuit boards exposed to many conditions are often generally a large part of these duties when other components fail to protect these controls.
I understand people have their own opinions and it doesn't bother me to be thumbed down for mine. I have nothing to gain or lose here. However, I'm just trying to offer up my knowledge as experienced within the conditions applied.
25. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Thought you just like Apple iPhones?
But you dislike Android....?
2. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6736; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Highly doubt they will beat the gs iv. They delay their phone which is going too hurt their sales. & i wont be buying a phone that don't support sd card
6. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
It's true that it won't beat GS4, but will this device mark the comeback of HTC? That's the main goal of HTC with this device.
20. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6736; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Yeah still prefer my sd card though. Jow im deciding on the gs iv xperia z motorola x or the rumor note 3 right now
27. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
I'm just waiting mainly for Motorola X. The Nexus 5 rumors had been sounding real good too.
3. baldilocks (Posts: 543; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
The GSIII had pre-registration in the millions in the U.S.
21. baldilocks (Posts: 543; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)
I love how uneducated people down thumb facts. Sad.
4. Esf_Kid (Posts: 49; Member since: 28 Feb 2013)
No doubt that S4 will outsell it but i think the second best selling smart phone of year will be XZ as Sony targeted Asia, specially India and now its selling like hot cakes.
i like HTC as well and i hope it can rise again.
7. mocir (Posts: 20; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
Yeah 140000 Xperia Z were SOLD in Japan in 2 days . It's probably the best selling 2013 phone right now until the S4 arrives. The HTC One was delayed for too much time now and it will remain in the background.
12. Ninetysix (Posts: 1680; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
Xperia Z's battery life is horrendous.
15. SleepingOz (unregistered)
You seem to forget the iPhone.
With a mini version coming, I don't think sony will be able to keep the pace.
36. HASHTAG (unregistered)
There isn't going to be an iPhone mini. And if there was who would be a smartphone w/ a 3-inch or less screen?
38. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Obviously the iFans users and hipsters will be purchasing this, but when it will be priced at midrange tier no longer will this iPhone mini will be classed as "cool show off trendy nor fashion or status symbol"
5. shamataa (Posts: 202; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
probably enough to regain number 2 spot. I don't think its enough to take the Gs 4 head on.
8. AshishRomea (Posts: 145; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
If Xperia Z was in all carriers in the US , then situation would have been different!
9. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
as a galaxy fan i hope one does well, it will prompt samsung (maybe) to up there game for the note 3
14. Sakmann67 (Posts: 29; Member since: 22 May 2010)
GRIDLOCK. April means June. See ya HTC one in the summer
17. Amasoo (Posts: 8; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
a question ,I know it is silly ,but can the htc one do stuff like as Sammy's multiwindow?
34. Android4u (Posts: 456; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
Yes bro it can..you should watch some review vids on youtube
18. stychill (unregistered)
All i want to know is the sim free price of the 64gb version
31. jcpwn2004 (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)
Looking forward to seeing how the camera performs after the firmware update and extensive battery testing.
39. preet27in (banned) (Posts: 173; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
wowww very happy to hear that. good luck htc, this time ur really good in marketing. ur phones r the best.
41. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Happy to hear that, congrats to HTC!
43. abish1234 (Posts: 51; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
Bitch please..:P.. HTC cant beat S4 sales... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA xD
46. preet27in (banned) (Posts: 173; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
hahaha some sammy fanboys can't digest that the talk of town is ONLY HTC ONE. they r literally jeleous and we r happy that their a*s is burning.:P nobody cares about gs4 . it sucks