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Pot, meet kettle: Steve Jobs called Andy Rubin a "big, arrogant f**k"

0. phoneArena 12 Nov 2013, 19:15 posted on

Regardless of if you prefer to see Steve Jobs as a visionary leader or a superb salesman, the debate is over when it comes to his personality. The general consensus is that Steve Jobs was nothing if not a passionate mercurial man with bouts of kindness and bouts of being an unbelievable jerk. Which is why it was amusing to hear that Jobs actually called Android founder Andy Rubin a "big, arrogant f**k"...

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posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:25 12

1. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Andy doesn't look like he's ever worked out, but "big" isn't fair Steve.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:39 7

11. weinerslav (Posts: 126; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)


try harder!

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:46 9

14. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


No need to try harder, I'm not looking for green thumbs, or acceptance. I simply say WFT I want.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:03

16. TerryCrowley (Posts: 184; Member since: 31 Jul 2011)


you always get my green thumbs my dark friend

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:15

19. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Weinerslav is touchy about his idol "Andy" lol. What phone you rocking these days Terry?

posted on 14 Nov 2013, 01:44

63. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Smart people knows there is generally two types of arrogant people.

The first types are simply full of sh!t -- losers being posers and wannabes.

Then there is the second type -- the ones that want to change the world by changing the status quo. Someone who is arrogant enough to make a world a better place and then set out to prove it.

Steve Jobs -- love him or hate him -- has over 300+ patents to his name. That is arrogance 300 times over.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:26 7

2. sprockkets (Posts: 1307; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


Only a fool would think the G1 was like the iphone.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:30 19

3. apple4never (Posts: 970; Member since: 08 May 2013)


only a fool would think android is like iphone

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:32 19

4. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Android is software, iPhone is hardware. I don't think anyone thinks that dude.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:34 6

5. sprockkets (Posts: 1307; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


with only one iphone out, it is pretty safe to say that we are referring to both software and hardware

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:36 8

6. Tsoliades (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Dec 2012)


I like you.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:38 1

9. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


+1 lol. He shoulda re worded that a bit.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:36 5

7. apple4never (Posts: 970; Member since: 08 May 2013)


sorry, IOS

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:39

10. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


+1 a4n. We all slip a bit lol.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:12

18. Finalflash (Posts: 1872; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


But it is in the sense that the up front UI is basically the same as the iPhone but with widgets allowed. That was the whole thing that differentiated the iPhone from the rest. It didn't have menus and a launcher with categories and divisions and so on. It literally had a focus on apps upfront and didn't bother with complicated menus because now you could just touch it instead of having directional keys be the main navigation. That was the one thing that the iPhone had that made it easy to use because you didn't have to randomly guess which category whatever fell under, it was right there where you put it.

Android kind of had a similar UI but was slightly different in that it had a launcher where all the apps are. Technically it's a better system because the launcher is alphabetical (mostly) while the homepage is your choice, but early Android builds didn't look like that. That happened after the iPhone launched and they got a good idea of how Apple was doing it.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:18 1

20. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


FF is this really you dude, not bashing apple? If I were with you, I'd put my hand to your forehead, and check for a temperature

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:35 1

28. Finalflash (Posts: 1872; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Oh don't get me wrong, I am not saying buy Apple or anything, that would be ridiculous. But they did good work and that isn't going to change. Though what they're doing now is debatable and often very very shady stuff.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:41

29. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Now that's FF

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 03:00 2

49. Stuntman (Posts: 750; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Android is totally like the iPhone. Last year, I walked into a Samsung store and bought a Galaxy S3 because I thought it was an iPhone.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 10:52 1

59. rabidhunter (Posts: 90; Member since: 05 Jul 2013)


Not sure if serious, or trolling, or just plain sarcastic. +1 for keeping me on my toes.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:37

8. apple4never (Posts: 970; Member since: 08 May 2013)


yes ios isnt like android my bad typo

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:44

13. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


They're alike, but very different too. Core functionality is pretty much the same with all these platforms, but android does clearly differentiate itself, I'll give that. It's taken cues from iOS, and now iOS is taking cues from it.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:42 6

12. woodshop20 (Posts: 459; Member since: 14 Sep 2013)


"The team had to go back to redesign the system because of how nice the iPhone UI was, and because the Android UI "looked so... nineties"

What a difference 5 years makes! Android is ahead in the UI department now and IOS 7 looks like it came from the eighties, with the bright colours and all.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:07 7

17. stealthd (Posts: 973; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Clearly you don't know anything about the 80's

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:21 1

22. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Woodshop is like 13 lol, he knows 2005-013. I know the 80's for sure

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:45 1

31. PBXtech (Posts: 980; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Late 60's, early 70's is more accurate.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 22:52 1

42. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5918; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


As in tie-dye. The iOS 7 UI is only missing the bleach treatment and then drop it into a washing machine to complete the transformation.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 23:35

43. PBXtech (Posts: 980; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


And get those black lights and psychedelic posters ready, history repeats itself again.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 19:58 8

15. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1269; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


I'm no Steve Jobs fan but let's leave the guy alone; he has been dead for over 2 years now. The guy can't defend himself and all we have left are videos, pictures and devices that can't speak for him. It's time to move on.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:20

21. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


That's true, good post...classy. +1

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:23 5

23. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


I came late to the Appple vs Android war but in my little experience phones were taking a BB direction until the iphone came in.. no keyboard, easy to use and a full touch screen... wether is true or not.. the iphone changed what we use today,

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:25

24. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


It sparked the revolution

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:43 6

30. corporateJP (Posts: 1759; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


You're still delusional. Apple definitely jumpstarted further innovation in the business, I give that, but I see very few things they brought to the table that were "gamechangers". May I remind you that Nokia and LG both had touchscreen phones well before Apple? The Blackberry reference is rediculous too. What does Apple have to do with keyboards? I see less phones with keyboards now anyhow. Next, you'll say Apple invented "apps", which were also around well before the iPhone.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:52 1

33. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Who bought, or even knew about Nokia and LG's smart phones other than a few techies. This is the point of "sparking the revolution". Deny it all you want, but when the OG iPhone dropped it set the mobile industry on its ear. Give android all the credit in the world for moving at light speed, catching, and passing iOS in some key areas, but don't try to downplay apples contribution dude...especially when we all witnessed it first hand. That makes you look like a silly fanboy, that refuses to admit the truth, and reality. Apples iPhone "sparked the mobile revolution" and along with the galaxy line, is still the benchmark device today.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 21:37 3

39. tedkord (Posts: 5105; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


They certainly sparked it, but the problem is that once Apple enters a market, they believe that no one else has a right to be in it. Even when others were doing it before.

The fact that they were the first to be really successful in it doesn't mean they invented it.

Apple makes good products, but until they stop the bullying, badgering and generally douchebaggery, I will not buy any Apple device.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 21:42

40. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


You misspelled device. ;) JK

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 21:00

34. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


You misspelled ridiculous...

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 00:53

47. bvalde09 (Posts: 172; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Ill give u that Iphone change everything in 2006

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:27 2

25. promise7 (Posts: 474; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


This isn't surprising, Jobs hated Android with a passion. His exact quote was,

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

I believe Andy Rubin also had a reputation of being difficult. I can't find it at moment, but I read an article where developers praised Sundar Pichai over Rubin because he was more open-minded and listened to them more, where they said Rubin it was his way.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:50

32. PBXtech (Posts: 980; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


I have a lot of respect for Rubin but often think the recent changes that KitKat bring would never have occurred if he was still at the helm of Android. I think Google has a much broader scope for Android than what Rubin envisioned.

I also read somewhere (can't find it either) that Rubin pitched Android to Jobs but he wasn't interested in the purchase. Luckily Google was more than interested, probably their best purchase ever. Rest is history.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 02:59

48. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


The rest ISN'T history.

Android OEMs (except Samsung, the Copyist) aren't making money. MicroSoft turns out to be the biggest monetary beneficiary from android due to royalty payments.

Google is about to face the dreaded forked android path once Samsung creates it's owned version of android where Google receives no free marketing data.

The fun is about to get started. So hold on to your seats.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 09:27 1

57. PBXtech (Posts: 980; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Fastest growing tech in human history, Android has and is making history on a regular basis.

Almost all of the rest of your comment is speculation from a known Android hater. As much as you'd like to see Android pack up and die, it keeps doing the exact opposite.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 03:08

51. jacko1977 (Posts: 397; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


cancer went thermonuclear war on him

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 07:26 1

55. romeo1 (Posts: 273; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)


Thats a sad thing to say.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 07:58

56. johnbftl (Posts: 220; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)


That's not cool dude. As much as I think Steve Jobs was a douche as a person, that's not cool to say. I had cancer myself last year, and wouldn't wish it on anyone. Chemo is the most painful thing anyone could ever experience.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:30 2

26. datsyuk (Posts: 175; Member since: 11 Jan 2012)


Guy seems like a giant d*ck, he did do amazing things with Apple and really did set the bar imo. The way Google is running with things today and leaping ahead of iOS imo (used iPhone for 2 years and Android 2 years). Once Google gets ART runtime going and full blown optimization (although its super fast even now) Android will be untouchable in my PERSONAL opinion.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 20:30

27. corporateJP (Posts: 1759; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


Steve Jobs....FTL.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 21:02

35. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)


RIP Steve!
For the dead- good , or nothing.
"Nothing" is the best in the St.Jobs case.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 21:06 1

36. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6674; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


This shows Steve JOBS true colors.

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 21:11 1

37. darkkjedii (Posts: 12350; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Oh lord, you and your "one liners".

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 21:30 1

38. androiphone20 (Posts: 1505; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


lol, oh God no :D

posted on 12 Nov 2013, 22:45 1

41. GoGoGalaxyNexus (Posts: 31; Member since: 01 Nov 2013)


Steve Jobs was the greatest salesman and the biggest arrogant egotistic jerk ever, period (he was not an innovator, neither is apple), thanks to him Iphones still sell to this day. The first Iphone was not so different in functionality from all the other smart phones that were on the market in those days(the first Iphone did not have MMS, copy and paste, third party apps or video support), but Steve Jobs made the Iphone popular and the gadget to have. Thanks to the Iphone being so popular, touchscreen smartphones started selling more and when Android was created, it took over all those smartphones with different OS and unify them under a single flag. Android became more efficient and functional with time, surpassing all others OS, killing a few on that process. Thanks Steve Jobs for making touchscreen phones popular.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 03:03 1

50. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Steve Jobs reinvented the modern day smartphone. Just about everyone believes this.

You are, of course, entitled to your own delusional minority opinion.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 09:56 2

58. jacko1977 (Posts: 397; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


You are, of course, entitled to your own delusional minority opinion.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 19:05 1

62. GoGoGalaxyNexus (Posts: 31; Member since: 01 Nov 2013)


Actually, you are part of the dying ifan minority

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 00:01

44. GeekMovement (Posts: 1514; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


He looks a bit tipsy in the pic.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 05:07 1

52. JMartin22 (Posts: 1242; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


At least we know how much more of a pompous windbag he really was.

posted on 13 Nov 2013, 16:21

60. blingblingboy (Posts: 8; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)


Steve jobs is also a arrogant f**k! Did you guys see his presentation of Iproducts?

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