Poll results: Can the more open nature of iOS 8 bring the Android marginals into the Apple fold?
0. phoneArena 05 Jun 2014, 08:06 posted on
Unlike the last major update (iOS 7), iOS 8 won't feature any significant design changes, and instead build upon the existing functionality and features stack with a number of new goodies. In fact, what really sets this particular update apart from past efforts is the underlying message it seems to carry: Apple is finally willing to open up a bit. Indeed, with support for third-party apps...
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1. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 8978; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Apple is doing the right thing by gradually opening iOS rather than just make it open from the start and look like an OS in beta.
8. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
Hilarious comment... NOT.
Let us know when iOS gets out of that Alpha stage ok?
11. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 8978; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Actually a lot of features that apple's releasing on iOS, the ones you claim android already has, were jailbreak features.
15. Scott93274 (Posts: 3566; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
Root access is not needed to make Android more functional and feature rich than iOS. app store videos, interchangeable keyboards, widgets, touchless controls, "quick type" (predicting your next word when typing), cloud storage, syncing your photos online, were all things Google's been doing for a while now, some longer than others and none require root access.
29. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
You just shut his gob up, and he has dissappeard.
He will never reply back to you
What a shamless troll, the guys in his 30+ and has no respect.
39. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 8978; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I'm not 30 or anything over 30.
You're welcome to remove that foot out your mouth.
67. darkkjedii (Posts: 18444; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Arte is the most stupid troll I've encountered yet. I wonder how long PA will let him stick around, before they drop the hammer. He brings down the site.
89. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Don't you never have anything to contribute
40. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 8978; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Systems wide backup and restore
Android: root access required
iOS: just an Apple ID
App data, apps, photos, etc are all backed up
Android: dependent on oem or root required to use a custom rom
iOS: update and go
Android: from system menu, drag n drop, or via app
iOS: just one click uninstall
Don't act like android is so far ahead. Android may be able to do some of those features natively, but are those features easy, simplified, and consistent across the board?
93. wildfiregt (Posts: 159; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Android doesn't require root to backup ,it does for third party apps. LOL at your iOS " iOS: just one click uninstall " seriously ?
Almost forgot ,i can have GS5 rom on nexus 5. Can iphone 4 have features from 5s ?
106. buccob (Posts: 2457; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Xperia phones include a Backup app that saves everything including third party apps data.
The backup and restore can be done directly on the phone itself to a microSD or internally, or in the computer using Sony's PC companion software.
Updates are not as consistent as on apple but you do get all the features from the update, and even on older firmware, many services like Google are updated through Play Store.
I.E. Hangouts keeps updating regularly, unlike iOS having to wait for whole systems updates to update iMessage.
And uninstalling is just as easy from the app drawer on android... That was absolutely a dumb point, because uninstalling apps is not a "daily shore"
So at least for Sony phones you are mistaken
107. xfire99 (Posts: 711; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)
Systems wide backup and restore
iOS: No need for a computer and iTunes installed?
iOS: Not dependent on Apple to release before can update?
iOS can flash custom ROM after Jailbreak?
Hyped over such revolutionary feature on iOS?
105. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 1172; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
root access is not needed to make android more functional then why does every single person i know with a samsung root it and puts vanilla android on it huh ?
20. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
hmmm... 2 things:
1. I didn't claim anything. Even though its true that Android already did have those features. That Apple ripped off. Blatantly. Copy much?
2. The fact that the iPhone didn't have such functionality NATO belt unless you jail broke it is pathetic and a strong testament to the iPhone being akin to nothing more than a feature phone or like one of the launchers on Android.
Apple will always be playing catch up. Hardware wise and software wise. And they will always steal from the competition. And they will unfortunately always have fanboys like you who think it's ok for Apple to blatantly rip off the competition, yet whine like 2 year olds when someone does it to Apple.
27. androtaku (Posts: 241; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
the feature u think is "ripped off" from android, existed on window and Mac computer way before android came into existant
what smart device today doing is just porting the features available loooong ago from computer platform to smart device platform
if you call ripped off,there whole lot of features android truely ripped off from early window mobile and symbian. calender, central file management,email,even dialer
Apple has those feature on MAC thousands of years ago,just that they choose not to make it into their phone. however u see it, apple did manage to make iOS experience much different to android. i don't say its better in everyway, but heck they are perfect for those who choose them.
one thing android users tend to lack is respect for other ppl preferences. i seldom see apple users critics android user preferences unless provoked. android users...on the other hand,very predictable in their way of respond
30. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Android is a Linux family kernel
Apple is not. Unix.
48. sgodsell (Posts: 2809; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
You stated Apple is not. Unix. Well its based off of FreeBSD, which is unix like.
33. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I guess you were not on here around 2009-2012, were you?
46. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
You have to joking right? All iPhone fans here do is criticize Android. ESPECIALLY Mxy. So please get your facts straight and know what you're talking about before you comment.
As for those features that were present "thousands of years ago"...
1.none of these Operating systems existed thousands of years ago. You sound ridiculous.
2. Drop down menu/notifications,widgets, app sharing, air drop, heck even the smart keyboard and look of iOS8 is all ripped off from Android, WP and BlackBerry. Not to mention what iMessage stole from BBM and WhatsApp. None of those features were present on Symbian or MAC's or Windows Mobile.
What's predictable is iFans popping out of the woodwork to defend Apple blindly as if they could do no wrong. Like you just did. I was responding to what Mxy said. And here comes another iFan blindly riding to the rescue. Not even knowing why.
I could care less that you like that tinker toy OS. Mxy made a negative comment about Android. Thus my response. Mind your business next time. Or at the very least, find out why something was said before sticking your foot in your mouth.
56. iampayne (Posts: 322; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
"All iPhone fans here do is criticize Android"
So exactly what you are doing by criticizing Apple?
"made a negative comment about Android"
It actually sounds like you came
"popping out of the woodwork to defend"
And you responding to the obvious joke of 1000 years ago makes you look silly. And Drop down notifications are based from the start menu you found on Windows Mobile in the early 2000's. Android pulled an Apple and took an idea and made it better. The start menu on Windows Mobile had an option to go into your message app. So Android took that idea and made it better by just putting the message in the menu.
Whats App came out way after BBM so I think you should say Whats App copied too if Apple copied Whats App.
Widgets were a part of the OSX that lauched in 2004. Now I will also say widgets were out before that as well. Again Windows Mobile had widgets when Samsung made touch wiz on Windows Mobile phones and HTC made sense for Windows Phones in the early 2000's. Yes before the iPhone as well.
Smart keyboard, again Windows Mobile.
AirDrop has been on OSX for a while and now they are just opening it up to share between phone and PC. But its simply just bluetooth sharing which has been around for years.
All this to say your rant makes you sound just as bad as the Apple fans that rant. I have no loyalty to any brand I use what makes my life easier and don't care how other people look at it. Maybe you should try that route.
65. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
You have no loyalty to any brand but just made a long post defending Apple. Yeah,, ok dude.
Bluetooth sharing has been around for years. But not on Apple products. What I'm talking about is sharing data and location with other apps. Apple didn't really have that.
Windows Mobile never had a resizable keyboard or a keyboard that learns from you. Stop making things up.
You keep making examples of things and features that came before the iPhone. Thanks for doing the work for me.
They did. But I don't have to say WhatsApp copied as my comments are directed at Apple.
That 1000 years comment was no joke.
Show me proof where drop down notifications and menus come from WM start menus.
And yeah.. You just proved another point of mine by dropping out of the woodwork and defending an iFan who started this whole thing with his trolling comments.
69. androtaku (Posts: 241; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
wow,keyboard is now invention of android! (not the keyboard app developer)
go get some loan,get a bit more education before you post anything here. my aunt is running a kinder garden,i could ask for discount for you if you interested. the leftover u could buy an tesco android tablet
71. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
Never said they did. Please show where I said that.
Your aunt is running kindergarten? That must be the class you're in then. Judging from your grammar.
74. iampayne (Posts: 322; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
I was actually defending Windows more than anything, I knocked Apple in just about every point. You even said I helped your point so how was I defending Apple? Give up dude.
Dude are you f*cking serious. So your telling me the keyboard I used on 3 phones Moto Q, Samsung Omnia, and HTC Touch Pro didn't have resizable keyboards and learned. I could type 1 word and it would finish sentences for me all those phones. How aboht you actually do some research and look at the features that were on Windows Mobile because you must be to young to even remember it.
You don't have to say Whats App copied because your a blind hypocritical idoit that should put his foot in his mouth because you are filling the internet with ignorance.
Like I said google Windows Mobile and look at everthing it did. I don't need to show you anything.
I dropped out the woodwork because I like to respond to the dumbest of the dumb comments and congrats you won.
Matter of a fact here is me doing your work your welcome
75. iampayne (Posts: 322; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
I typed that to fast. My Moto Q shouldn't be on that list it had a physical keyboard, however it still had the same features as the other 2 I mentioned.
76. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
I know Windows Mobile very well. As I've stated numerous times I was directing my comments towards Apple. You're the dumb@ss who decided to jump in and defend his girlfriend. Not me.
How does me not mentioning WhatsApp copied make me a hypocrite?
I Must have touched a nerve dude because you're getting all upset like a two year old who hasn't had his nap time. Do me a favor and f@ck off now and go drink your mother's milk.
You defended Apple just as much as you knocked it. Now jump off the s*** dude.
Oh and thanks again for doing the work for me. It's idiots like you that will always work for someone else. Care to paint my house and clean out my attic while you're at it?
80. iampayne (Posts: 322; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
Your a hypocrite because you don't care Whats App copied but care Apple copied. Again I didn't do your work for you because the whole time I was arguing that everyone copies while you argued only Apple. So I showed you. You touched a nerve because your stupidty actually offends me. And knocking Apple and supporting Apple means what exactly Im confused on that point and why I need to jump off. If I show both sides it means I can make a rational decision and am not a raving fanboy as you have proven you are.
And I hope your attic burns while your in it, theres my "two year old" comment for the day again your welcome.
83. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
Still stalking me huh?? Is it my charming smile that's attracting you?
Not mentioning WhatsApp in a conversation pertaining to Apple is being a hypocrite how?
I must have really touched a nerve now! Unrequited love hurts so much huh??
As you can see I'm not taking you serious in any type of way because you are what is known as a non factor. You don't factor into anything I do or say here or anywhere. But it's good to know I can get under your skin as only dimwitted dolts. Allow that to happen.
NNow please take your amoeba sized brain and quick Googling hands which I can only assume are used for other sundry and disgusting things and go away. I won't be responding anymore. Wouldn't want my wife to think I'm falling for your advances and flirting.
88. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Apple don't need all these features
Apple believes in giving less andtaking more milk out
But you ifans say you dint need all these features like ninetysix says: go play with your widget. Lmfao know you need all these .
Apple had to provide these features orelse ifans will be leaving ios for Android
57. androtaku (Posts: 241; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
u sound eaten some jeez today,you breath smelll aweful, and pretty uneducated it seems,do u know thousands of year is just a metaphor there.
1. widget?they are on PC and MAC way before android exist,porting it from pc to smart device platform make them new?
2. bluetooth sharing (u refer as air drop there) was in feature phone,window mobile, symbian and PC platform long before android
3.app sharing? do u know download.com does exactly the samething more than 10 years ago in PC?
4.keyboard swap? window mobile 6.5 cracked that long ago
u also disregard the point i made and immediately steer to something else when u realize u had it wrong. you say ifan jump to defend, look at how u jump to defend you jokedroid when somebody made a negative comment, jeezy hypocrite
if u have eaten too much jeez and can't think outside of your droid religion, take a nap in your toilet,cool it down
66. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
What is this? Non English speaking day on PA?? Learn correct grammar first before you address me. Get a grasp of the English language before you address me.
Again proving my point that widgets were there before Apple.. Whether they copied them from WM or Android they still copied them.
But Bluetooth sharing was never a feature on Apple products. Again you are doing my work for me by showing how Apple copied from somebody.
Again do you not realize you're proving my point yet again?
Who said anything about "keyboard swap"? What's that?
What point? The points you made for me by proving that Apple didn't invent any of that stiff? Thanks for that.
And you did jump in to defend someone who regularly makes troll comments about Android for no reason save to start flame wars. Thanks for proving me right about that too.
So you cool it down and get a grasp on the English language. You sound like a two year old.
96. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
fandroids are the ones whining... apple followers are happy regardless of the updates,
34. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3318; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
I think Arte was referring to Myx, not you.
42. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 8978; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
So you're saying android doesn't steal? Or have you forgotten android is Linux based?
If it wasn't for apple and the iPhone, there'd be no smartphone market. So don't be ignorant.
Again, a lot of those features were technically already possible via jailbreak. It's just that apple hasn't released them officially. Apple doesn't release every feature off the bat. Unlike others a lot of their features are tested and modified to fit the iPhone model.
49. Scott93274 (Posts: 3566; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
Stealing would require the object to be owned by another. Linux is open source for anyone to do with as they please. If Goole stole Android, then Valve, Redhat, Ubuntu are all guilty as well.
53. iampayne (Posts: 322; Member since: 12 Aug 2013)
Well isn't Android Open Sourced??? So accorrding to you Apple didn't steal anything. Thanks for completely invalidating your entire argument.
99. tedkord (Posts: 9066; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Your understanding of open source is flawed. Open source means one can use the source, modify it and distribute it as you wish, so long as you also allow others to do the same to your source (if you distribute).
Android's kernel is Linux. Apple's is not. Linux can have copyrighted or patented features that others can modify within the Linux framework, but that doesn't mean others can steal the features and put them into their non-Linux OS. iOS is not Linux or Linux derivative, Linux's open source license has nothing to do with the argument.
But nice try.
51. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
You just went full retard. Just because it's Linux doesn't mean it's stolen.
And yes, there was a smartphone market before your precious iPhone.
94. meanestgenius (Posts: 7875; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Now THIS RIGHT HERE IS AN IGNORANT STATEMENT---->"If it wasn't for Apple and iPhone, there would be no smartphone market."
Apple had absolutely NOTHING to do with the creation of the smartphone market, as the smartphone existed LONG BEFORE Apple got into making phones. Get real, Mxy.
98. tedkord (Posts: 9066; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Linux is open source, licensed under GPL - you can't steal it, it's freely given.
And, yes, there would be a smartphone market if not for the iPhone. I had smartphones long before the iPhone came out, and the market was growing then.
Possible via jailbreak does not equal Apple having them. It equals people hacking their phones to have others make them available. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't matter whom Apple copied them from, they're still copied.
22. Whateverman (Posts: 3248; Member since: 17 May 2009)
... most of which (about 90%) still came way after it was done on Android. Yeah, owner of a jailbroken iPad, so I know.
36. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2382; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
And a lot of jailbreak features are based on apps running on Android or BB.
43. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 8978; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
So if you want to get technical, a lot of the basic smartphone features are based on what the iphone introduced.
47. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
No. They're not. Symbian, BlackBerry and Windows Mobile were all smartphone OS's that had those features years before the iPhone was even thought of.
You're really drowning in the apple flavored kool aid aren't you Mxy?
61. androtaku (Posts: 241; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
u sounds more and more the kool aid yourself
symbian,bb,window mobile precede both iOS and android
why just attack apple? android your religion?or your masturbating idol?
63. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1640; Member since: 29 May 2014)
But I'm talking in regards to Apple not Android.
AAnd the way you jumped in to defend Apple and Mxy,, I guess that masturbating thing is all you dude.
50. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2382; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Yes they are, you won't hear me denying that. And even before the iphone, a lot of smartphone features we see today were still there. But Apple did set the standard back in 2007.
95. meanestgenius (Posts: 7875; Member since: 28 May 2014)
NO Mxy. Symbian, BlackBerry and WM pioneered the smartphone market and those features and many more long before the iPhone was thought of.
Go home, Mxy. You're drunk off of that Apple flavored kool-aid.
44. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
WTHay, keep moving those goal posts. First it's ridiculing Android users for rooting their phones, now it's okay to use jailbreak features?
59. binerry (Posts: 99; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Remember that time when Apple introduced the original iPhone, and Andy Rubin (of Android) said "we're going to have to start all over"? I do.
100. tedkord (Posts: 9066; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
No, you remember someone else proclaiming he said that. The rest of us remember two prototypes, the Sooner which had a physical keyboard, and the Dream which was full touchscreen, being developed simultaneously. What happened when the iPhone was released was the Sooner was dropped and they focused on the Dream.
13. androtaku (Posts: 241; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
i hope not, there's no need to infest iOS with retard self-proclaim "as the one who can see clearly"
iOS need only dignified quality users,not geek,or wannabe phone reviewer
37. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3318; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
And this is the answer to why people take issue with Apple. It's not necessarily the hardware or platform, but the user base. From your statement, you apparently believe that anyone who doesn't use iOS are undignified, low quality people. Let me let you in on a little secret, IT'S A F#*$ING PHONE. Judging someone's character by the phone they carry is about as accurate as judging someone by the car they drive. Your phone isn't a window to the soul, it's a device you bought to stay connected.
I find it funny about you calling others geeks, when you're on a tech website defending a piece of tech. That my friend is a geek.
41. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
And it's attitudes like his that start the stupid OS wars.
60. androtaku (Posts: 241; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)
wow,you so easily offended,and shouting $(&*%)$
judging by your respond, i guess i'm right with my above statement
continue tinker your tesco android tablet,u don't need iOS
97. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3318; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Maybe it's because sometimes it takes shouting to get through the wall of stupid. My point was judging people based on their phone choice is inaccurate and not very intelligent. I'm not saying all iPhone users are like this either, but it's the uber-fans that make others look bad.
23. Ashoaib (Posts: 3131; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
If iOS will be totally open and will be installed on samsung, lg, sony or anyother then may be I will choose it again