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Poll Results: Will the outcome of the Apple vs Samsung case stifle or help innovation?

0. phoneArena 31 Aug 2012, 05:23 posted on

A week or so after the jury announced its staggering decision to award Apple with over $1 billion in patent infringement damages and virtually agree with all…

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posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:29 3

1. Mozarrt (Posts: 295; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)


I'm with the people saying it will actually stimulate innovation in the design of the handsets. Apart from Samsung most producers have been quite innovative about the designs (Xperia, Lumia, L series on LG), this should be encouraged.

Apple is doing Samsung a huge favor, they will now also be forced to try other designs which will differentiate them even more.

Anyway anything to break this duopoly of Samsung and Apple is a good thing at the moment, these 2 behemoths playing top dog in the industry is actually destroying innovation.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:30 2

3. Mozarrt (Posts: 295; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)


Shame this didn't happen a lot sooner, as Samsung hasn't rapidly changed its designs and UI.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:34 19

5. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Again, either way, innovation will continue. Samsung could innovate from the thing they we're accused of copying. ORRRR they could innovate from nothing.

Innovation is boundless.

But seriously? Lawsuit for generic designs? Pathetic.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:36 12

6. MeoCao (unregistered)


The wrong thing here is all Apple's patents are very generic and broad that will limit ability of OEMs to operate. This time it's SS, next time it may be SONY or some1 else. Every1 now is doing business under constant threat from Apple.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 06:32 12

10. andro. (Posts: 1936; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Agreed it doesn't matter who the manufacturer is or what their handset actually looks like,if it becomes hugely popular,sells by the millions,weakens iOS market share and highlights the stagnant iphone progresson then apple will surely attack.
If Sony for instance managed to release a handset that's hugely innovative and hugely successful but it in no way resembles an iPhone whatsoever you could be your life on it apple would still try find something to try get it banned.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 23:55 1

25. cheetah2k (Posts: 773; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


$hits going to happen to Apple soon when none of the quality manufacturers (Samsung, LG, Sony, Sharp, etc) will touch Apple with a barge pole. I'm surprised Samsung hasn't done it all ready, or increased their parts price to account for the $1bn in law suit costs..

When this happens, the icrap will definitely be icrap with slow memory chips, inferior screens and 2G radios...

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 07:58 2

13. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


#1 if you think that this forces innovation, you are wrong. A more efficient pinch to zoom is already in. JB and the unless you want a pyramid shaped phone, a rectangular design patent is stupid.

#2 as much as I agree that this duopoly should be broken, shutting down ss is not the way to do it. Think about it, if two companies dominate the market share (ios and android) and one is shut down (android) Then two things are likely to happen, either the other company takes all that opens market share and it becomes a monopoly or another company (ms) takes all that market share and it remains a duopoly. The real solution to a duopoly is to continue to support both major companies, while supporting a minor company enough that it's market share continues to grow. Then eventually you can have a triopoly which is all you really need.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 08:04 1

14. ph00ny (Posts: 591; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I think you're missing the point altogether.

Overly broad generic design patent impacting devices competing in the same segment is just bad

You don't think rectangular design might possibly impact other manufacturers? I mean they got a jury decision even on a device with slide out keyboard.

Also the fact that juries ignored a technical patent only valued design patent is a sign to come in the near future.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 09:17 4

17. tedkord (Posts: 4507; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


What you're missing here is that the message Apple and the court sent was that they own things like shapes, colors, etc...and they are willing to spend their war chest going after anyone who dares compete. Remember, this is the company that claimed that a tap is just a zero length swipe, so it infringes their IP.

No one, not even the die-hard Apple faithful, truly believes that occurs like the Droid Charge are iPhone copies, no matter what they say. But the message has been sent that no matter what your design, you are vulnerable to an Apple lawsuit. And that lawsuit, no matter how ridiculous, could fly.

Other than Samsung, who in the mobile space can afford not only those legal bills, but the possibility of a huge payout?

No, this decision, which clearly have Apple ownership of almost all the basic design characteristics of a smartphone that will sell, will only stifle innovation. And that is what it was designed to do. Not even Steve Jobs truly believed all these phones were such copies.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 10:53 1

21. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Don't forget the icons, anything that look similiar to Apple icons are also considered as copies.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:30 12

2. MeoCao (unregistered)


Down with lawsuits, yes to innovation.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:33 8

4. kunyuk (Posts: 56; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


I hate patent wars, and that's gonna make us miserable.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:48 7

7. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)


who cares about design with today's phones? we just need a flat block with bigger display to meet the purpose of the smartphones........just for inferior people is design more than features.....just for Apple customers......
whats even worse, Apple is a thief:
goo.gl/04pud

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:52

8. StreetNerd (Posts: 700; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


wp8 nuff said

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 05:56 5

9. Angkor (Posts: 108; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Apple won, consumers and other phone makers are dead.

Why Apple is not filing lawsuits against Chinese companies that clone iPhone and iPad?

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 08:09 2

15. ph00ny (Posts: 591; Member since: 26 May 2011)


That's like asking why aren't they going after LG? They have had a similar theme as samsung for a very long time. It's because they don't see LG as a threat as much as Samsung

I think their last earnings estimate miss a good statement to that fact

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 06:40 3

11. MistB (Posts: 554; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


That's because they're not a threat to Apple in anyway or form, Samsung on the other hand is their number 1 threat to sales.. Is that always your rationale when bringing up the argument. Hauwei/ZTE and Lenovo no ring any bells to you of original Chinese manufacturers. What has your country released onto the smartphone market that is significant? Oh that's right, absolutely nothing.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 07:50

12. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I used to see a lot of cPhones (chinese knock off iphones for idiots), but I havent seen them in a while.

Most chinese makers deal only in china/asia. they dont import to america very often. Apple doesnt say anything because they know they have a zero chance of winning against a large chinese company in china.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 08:40

16. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6254; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


it will destroy our precisious Android OS. Apple doesn't want anything to do with COMPETITION they only sue SAMSUNG HTC found them guilty because of round edge body like their crummy iPhone plus it hurts their iPhone sales. Look at SONY phones they didn't get sue why because their not making money to threatened APPLE's STOCK or sales.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 09:31

18. kindahipdude (Posts: 45; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


This will force companies to try to make things different, instead of focusing on making things better.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 15:17

23. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


See.....this is why this is a complicated and hard argument.

I want things to be different....but I also want things to be better.....lol. And sometimes...different doesnt necessarily mean better.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 10:29 2

19. Savage (unregistered)


Meh. It's not like Apple has won. One victory over Samsung and that is still to be decided in December. On the other hand, OEM's have successfully created designs noticeably different than iPhone. They have innovated. Look at Sony Xperias, Nokia Lumias and even the newer members of the Galaxy family. Apple won't be able to touch these. If it does, it is a hypocrite and a bully and must be stopped. And it won't be able to completely eradicate competition. Why? It has obtained judgement in it's favor only in the US, not any other countries. Frankly, it would be stupid of Apple to apply for bans overseas and it won't do so.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 10:47

20. mrochester (unregistered)


I think sending a strong message that you can compete with Apple but not copy them is to the benefit of all. Preventing competitors from copying forces them to innovate and this is very good for the consumer. If Samsung were permitted to get away with stealing from Apple, that'd be a major setback for the industry. Competition is good, stealing and copying isn't.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 15:22

24. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Whats funny.....the pinch to zoom patent...Samsung has tilt the entire phone to swipe and zoom. One handed use...no need for the other hand.

More innovative than what Apple has a patent for.

They already were innovating. One icon, a feature here n there doesnt equal copy cat in my book. The Meizu phones.....those are the real iPhone copy cats. To me.....you have to copy over a larger area to be a copy cat.

Meizu phones.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 12:23

22. Stuntman (Posts: 711; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


It will stifle Apple's innovation and help Android innovation.

posted on 02 Sep 2012, 00:30

26. shuaibhere (Posts: 1300; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


How the hell this will help innovation??????
If you want to say innovation in design of smart phones it was lg prada.....it is a whole new design at that time all other designs are not the innovation....... all other phones have same concept of lg prada......

differentiating things is not innovation which was all others did and doing......

Innovation is some thing coming with new concept not new design......

posted on 02 Sep 2012, 00:31

27. shuaibhere (Posts: 1300; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


How the hell this will help innovation??????
If you want to say innovation in design of smart phones it was lg prada.....it is a whole new design at that time....... all other designs are not the innovation....... all other phones have same concept of lg prada......

differentiating things is not innovation which was all others did and doing......

Innovation is some thing coming with new concept not new design......

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