Police in Cambridgeshire switching from BlackBerry to Windows Phone
0. phoneArena 05 Jun 2014, 04:26 posted on
It's not just large corporations and governmental agencies that are dropping BlackBerry. In the U.K., the Cambridgeshire Constabulary is getting ready to replace the fleet of 4000 BlackBerry handsets it uses, with 8000 Windows Phone units. The reason for the switch is apparently the improvements in security found on Windows Phone 8.1. MDM manufacturers have been working hard to support Windows Phone 8.1, and even BES will soon support Windows Phone...
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8. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I guess BB wasn't as secure as other alternatives. L1520 for the coppers? Cool!
58. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Stop it. BlackBerry is the most secure mobile platform around. EVERYONE knows this.
60. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Source for your assertion that BB is the most secure mobile platform around?
I could state that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, but that doesn't make it true. Same for your assertion about BB being the most secure mobile platform around.
63. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
You're kidding, right? This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. If you don't know by now, then you never will.
And I could say the same for you. Where is your source that states BlackBerry isn't as secure as the alternatives?
69. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Here is a link that states BB security has been cracked: http://www.computerworld.com/s
/article/9242248/U.S._and_U.K. _spies_crack_BlackBerry_BES_en cryption_report_says
How about you providing a similarly credible link (not some off-the-wall made-up source) that says iOS v. 6 or higher has been similarly cracked? Or the same metric for Android KitKat or WP 8.1?
72. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Here is a link saying Android was just recently hacked:
I have more coming in a few.
81. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Ummm. Cryptolocker is something that happens when you visit infected sites or open an e-mail with embedded malware. Even BBOS 10 is not going to protect you from that kind of malware. Kind of how unsafe sex can expose you to all manner of STDs.
My link was regarding the ability for encrypted content on BBs to be read. Also, the BB encryption was cracked through 2012, which if memory serves, includes the release of BBOS 10.
Still waiting for a link showing how KitKat encrypted content can be read.
92. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Still waiting for you to show me when and where BB10 has been hacked.
73. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Here's another link. This one is about iOS:
More to come.
82. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
The doulCi.net site was actually blocked by the security suite (Intego) on my MacBook Pro, so I don't really care to find out about their 'service'. Even if you take doulCi at their word (based on the softpedia article), you have to have physical possession of the iDevice, which isn't necessary with the BB hack above.
Not quite up to the ease with which BB encryption can be hacked.
93. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
This same "hack" which infected OLDER BBOS devices and NOT BB10 DEVICES also infected Android, iOS and WP devices. Thanks for pointing that out for me. Thumbs up!
74. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Here is something taken right out of Apple's own support forums:
83. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Reaching again. Sloppy password etiquette will expose even the most hardened security system.
You are not providing an apples-to-apples compare. I provide you an example of how the BB encryption has been able to be cracked and you are giving me examples of sloppy user-induced failures as a response. Why don't you post up an article that states how an e-mail with an attachment was sent and captured and decrypted? I suspect you have been looking hard for such an article, but haven't found one yet. There is a reason why you haven't found one.
90. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Here is one:
As I said, I found MANY articles, I just previously posted the most recent ones, seeing as how I have a LIFE and have better things to with my time.
91. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
This one also shows how Apple users have been hacked through emails sent to them as well as being hacked through apps in Apple's own app store. Still think I'm reaching?
75. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Here's a link about Windows Phone being hacked:
WP8.1 has not been commercially released yet, but stay tuned: I'm pretty sure that will get hacked also.
84. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
From the hackneys website: "Microsoft does not intend to patch this vulnerability. Microsoft has not received any reports of this vulnerability being used to steal corporate data, passwords or breach a network to date. Rather, it simply advises users of Windows phones to require a certificate before joining wireless networks, and includes instructions for enforcing this in the phone settings."
Sloppy user operating practices don't count toward an inherent security failure. Keep trying.
89. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
It's a "sloppy user practice" was hacked through WiFi? And you're OKAY with MS not issuing a fix for it?!
76. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
So, while you did find instance about BlackBerry being being hacked, it was BEFORE THE RELEASE of BB10. BB10 HAS NEVER BEEN HACKED. I, on the other hand, have found several recent articles about Android and iOS being hacked. Recent, as in THE LAST TWO TO THREE WEEKS. And while I didn't find any articles about WP8.1 being hacked (I did find plenty on WP8!), it's only because WP8.1 HASN'T BEEN COMMERCIALLY RELEASED YET. So, given the circumstances, I would say that BB10 is MORE SECURE THAN THE REST. Security: Its what BlackBerry does.
85. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Out of every example you provided, none of them showed a weakness in the encryption protocol of the O/S. The weaknesses you pointed out were on the order of sloppy user actions that opened up an opportunity to compromise the security of the O/S.
You can claim all you want that BB is the most secure mobile platform, but until you can provide a credible example of its encryption being stronger than that of KitKat, iOS6+ or WP 8.1, you are being intellectually dishonest. Try reading up on the different encryption used on BB, KitKat, iOS 6+ and WP. You might learn something. Until then you are just a wannabegenius.
87. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
And you have yet to show me an example of where BB10 has been hacked / exploited. By your reasoning, you too need to "try reading up on the different encryption used on BB10, Android, iOS and WP8". YOU might learn something. Until then, you're not even HALF of the genius I am. And whether the user was at fault or not, it showed you how easily these you mentioned can be exploited.
And the link to the article you posted also mentioned how iOS was hacked by the NSA, which STILL has backdoors into Android, iOS and WP.....but NOT BB10. You might want to try referencing article that doesn't have information in it that shoots your precious OS's security full of holes. NONE of the OS's you mentioned have garnered the honor of being the only OS secure enough to meet the requirements of being able to used by the U.S. government, in addition to all the government's of the world. 16 out of 20 of the G20 governments use BlackBerry. There is a reason for that.
You look like an extreme hater reaching out on a limb when you post an article saying that an outdated OS has been hacked. BB10 has YET to be hacked and is more SECURE than the rest. For you to even entertain the thought that Android (ha!), iOS (it is to laugh. They've been hacked half a dozen times this year ALONE), or WP is more SECURE (Cortana being hacked, anyone? It is on WP8.1), is ludicrous and best and not only shows that you're reaching, but marks you as a BlackBerry hater. Take that hate elsewhere, dude.
94. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Something else you should check out. Guess who ranked #1 since way back in 2011? (Even though it was before then)
Spoiler alert: It was BLACKBERRY.
78. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Maybe I shouldn't count this one, but seeing as how Cortana is part of WP8.1 I decided to throw it in there....
88. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Saw it. Still doesn't shoot down that fact that it's been HACKED. NEXT!
49. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 473; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
'Wow' what??? Someone sold about 1600 phones to the Cambridgeshire police?
61. Penny (Posts: 1647; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
8000. Says so pretty early on in the article.
65. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 473; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
According to their web site the Cambridgeshire Constabulary employs roughly 1600 officers, so who would be getting the other units?
In any case, 8000 units doesn't have much more of a wow sound to it in the grand scheme of things.
71. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
If you RTFA, the staff and executives are also getting Lumias, not just the 1,600 officers.
8,000 units is a good amount, and as other districts see how well these perform, more will come.
3. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 978; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
Makes sense, excellent move. BB is dead anyway, no point in the law using a OS and phones that are seriously outdated.
57. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Maybe you haven't heard about BB10...nothing outdated about BB10.
70. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Especially if the company that will be supporting those phones and tablets has a high likelihood of not being around in the next 5 to 10 years. Govts. don't like to be holding the bag on a technology for which they can't get contracted support and upgrades.
77. meanestgenius (Posts: 9690; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Again: Stop it. People like you have been screaming the demise of BlackBerry for over 3 years now, and they are still here. They will be here in the next 5-10 years, also. And beyond that.
4. sip1995 (Posts: 1551; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)
Windows Phone is a secure OS, unlike some other OPEN platforms.
6. FingerMyApple (unregistered)
31. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1836; Member since: 29 May 2014)
So in an article about WP you choose to diss Android instead of talk about the merits of WP?
39. FingerMyApple (unregistered)
The only troll here is you, did he says anything about android?
40. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1836; Member since: 29 May 2014)
So tell me then genius... Which open platform OS was he talking about?
Don't be ridiculous. Of course he was talking about Android. You can easily discern that by reading the rest of his comments. Well... It was easy for me anyway. For you, obviously not so much.
44. FingerMyApple (unregistered)
It's pretty obvious open os is referred to the os that support 3rd party stuff as bb mention above, you just felt insecured like most of the fandroids here and end up misunderstanding yet unnecessary response
46. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1836; Member since: 29 May 2014)
Either you really believe what you just said or you're about the dumbest iSh33p/Windows Phanboy I've ever seen.
How about you READ his other comments first before making uninformed comments.
50. sip1995 (Posts: 1551; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)
My other comments ? I just say the truth without trolling.
52. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1836; Member since: 29 May 2014)
No. You say what you BELIEVE to be the truth WHILE trolling.
There. I fixed your comment for you.
54. sip1995 (Posts: 1551; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)
I don't think so, and btw there are so many OPEN platforms (starfish, firefox, forked android and MORE). i BELIEVE IN WHAT I SEE.
64. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1836; Member since: 29 May 2014)
So you're a liar on top of being a troll. Good to know.
Too bad you're not man enough to admit when you're trolling
Btw... Was that not a closed platform(iOS)that was hacked like crazy a week or so back? Yup. Sure was. So much for your theory about Open Source.
68. FingerMyApple (unregistered)
We don't lie a sh!t you just admit it :)
51. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 473; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Obscurity is not security - A closed platform is by no means inherently more secure than an open platform. Once WP gains enough market share for hackers to start caring about it you will see than ALL operating systems have their weaknesses.
5. FingerMyApple (unregistered)
Smart move :)
7. boosook (Posts: 1419; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Microsoft did a good lobbying job. As to those who can choose freely, 80% of them (in the world) are choosing Android (latest IDC data).
9. 12Danny123 (Posts: 87; Member since: 18 Aug 2012)
As long as Android remains a Open Sourced OS with 90% Malware market. It will continue to a POS to the enterprise market
14. 12Danny123 (Posts: 87; Member since: 18 Aug 2012)
Dude it's logical. Open Source + 80% market share = Massive market for malware hackers which is 90%
16. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
Not everyone is able to choose freely as many are limited by their financial means and availability in their country. Android is often the only choice for a lot of people.