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PhoneArena awards 2011: Game-changing product

0. phoneArena 30 Nov 2011, 09:18 posted on

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the PhoneArena awards of 2011! Today, we are here to honor the game-changing product of the year; the product that boldly broke the well-established standards...

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posted on 30 Nov 2011, 11:48

22. Zayuh24 (Posts: 149; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


I like the Transformer, but it isn't really competing with anybody with its sales in the US. People compare the Fire with the iPad because of its high demand in only the short period it was released. Of course it's not a FAIR comparison, but analysts, media reporters, and consumers tend to think only about how well a product sales compared to how it performs.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 11:51 3

24. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


obviously no matter how we try to explain WHY the kindle was chosen, some people just dont feel like comprehending the decision.

kool-aid for everyone!!!

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 12:02 1

27. roldefol (Posts: 4327; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I'd rephrase the comment... if not the Kindle Fire, what's the most significant phone/tablet of the year?

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 12:20 1

28. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


i dont recall you agreeing whe cloud services were awarded for Technology Breakthrough...

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 12:31

29. roldefol (Posts: 4327; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Perhaps that's because he disagrees with the merit of cloud services. I'm also wary of storing anything of vital importance (including my music collection!) virtually. And then there's the always-connected argument...

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 13:22

32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i was fine with cloud services, i was against specifically naming iCloud like it was the first, when it was actually the last, least featured, and you have to pay for some features.

silly chickenhead. :)

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 13:54

33. roldefol (Posts: 4327; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Thing is, first with iPad and then iCloud, Apple introduced exactly the products the industry was expecting it to. Is it really a breakthrough product if it's exactly what we thought? The iPad was a game-changer less for what it was and more for how it was received by customers. Apple once again told the public what it needed in a tablet, and it listened.

That's why the Transformer is not a game-changer - no matter how innovative, without marketing clout and demand, nobody's paying attention.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 14:43

34. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i think the tablet is the best price-performance tablet out right now. if i were to buy a full tablet, that would be the one.. and its the one i reccommend people get. But its not a game changer.. neither is the ipad2 nor the Tab. big sales dont always change the game. in the example of the fire, it is a game changer BECAUSE of big sales, since it will pull the over all price of tablets down with big sales.

Again, if you were looking at a 7 inch ipad for 200 and a 10 inch ipad for 600, with all the exact same features otherwise, would u spend 400 more for 3 extra inches? Its going to force the $600 tablet down to a more reasonable price, lest it stays priced out of competition.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 14:53

35. roldefol (Posts: 4327; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Exactly, and I actually hope it affects Honeycomb/ICS tablet pricing more than the iPad. The iPad will be affected to be sure, but the existence of the Fire doesn\'t change the iPad\'s strengths: iTunes integration and It\'s An Apple. Meanwhile Samsung and Moto keep trying to sell their tablets - even the smaller sizes - for ~$500 because they think they\'re competing with the iPad. If Samsung could price a great-looking tablet like the Tab 7.7 closer to $300, I\'d be all over it.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 15:29

36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i agree. I think its wrong for them to be focusing so much on the ipad as a competitor. Not because it cant be beat, but because most of their sales are lost to other android tablets. apple fans and people that dont know any better, choose ipad because its the brand name for tablets right now. android fans and people that research choose honeycomb (and soon ICS) because they want a certain feature, or more features in general. Having 15 android tablets to choose from is more damaging to your sales than 1 ipad choice, as many of those people arent even concidering the ipad to begin with.
If your selling a dual core 10.1 inch tablet for 500-600, you have to be hating life that your closest android competitor is selling what is nearly identical but with more features, for almost 200 less.

Samsung and moto need to quit trying to go after apple and instead realize that they are in a tech savy market more than a non-tech market like the ipad. most informed consumers arent willing to pay the 30% premium charge for the name when they can get the exact same device at the same quality, for less with another brand.
Asus, FTW :)

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 15:40

37. roldefol (Posts: 4327; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


You had me until the last line. >:) Asus made a great motherboard back in the day, but they\'re relatively unproven as a phone/tablet maker. Moto and Sammy could both be big players, but Moto still hasn\'t gotten the hint about pricing it seems. I see Samsung becoming as much a force in the tablet space as they have in phones, but it will take more aggressive pricing and clear differentiation from both the Fire and iPad (read: give us a cheap 8 inch SAMOLED Tab!).

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 15:58 1

38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Samsung isnt going for cheap. They are taking the apple route and going for brand recognition. Thats why everything is "Galaxy". Its the most well known android brand in the world.
I dont mind that samsung is trying that though, as their flagship products come with top of the line samsung hardware that no one else has. At least you know you are getting something for that premium. other than a little smug and a shiney logo.

That whole blurb i just wrote was about Asus. Asus has always made top end computer hardware. Their tablets are the highest rated there are. Same build quality as the samsung/ipad but with more features and less cost. They are playing the undercutting game because they dont have a premium phone/tablet name to back them up. And i am ooh so happy about that :) (the cheaper part.. lol)

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 16:08

39. roldefol (Posts: 4327; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


But it\'ll take years of consistently solid, well-reviewed products for Asus to be a strong player, and maybe not even then. Asus gets very little press. Anyone can make a good product, but it\'s all a PR game... just ask Apple.

Samsung is right to keep pushing the Galaxy name, but don\'t kid yourself - kids don\'t envy the Galaxy lineup. They still want iPhones and iPads. We get Galaxy devices because we\'ve done our homework and we know they\'re a better value for us. The best marketing campaigns appeal to your id, not your superego.

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 20:25

41. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you are totally right. Samsung though is on the very edge of breaking through that barrier to total recognition. I get a lot of people asking for galaxy devices. Still not as many that say "android" or "iphone", but as far as android recognition its up there with "Droid" in the US, and top dog everywhere else. If they have another smash hit with the SGS3 (and from prelim leaks i dont see how they couldnt), I think they will finally break that barrier and become a "brand name" that people know.. even those that dont do homework.

They are kicking up their advertising and they have the #1 and #2 selling android sets in the world.. it shouldnt be too much longer before they get that status.


And honestly, as far as Asus, i dont want them to have that kind of brand recognition. For my own selfish reasons, i like asus being that magical unicorn of best features, superb build quality, and bargain pricing. Completely selfish, i know, but hey im worried about my pocket, not theirs. :) Let apple fans pave the way to apple HQ in gold with all the extra money they are willing to spend. Id rather keep that money in the bank. :)

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 11:58

26. hepresearch (unregistered)


It is worthy...

posted on 30 Nov 2011, 12:45 2

31. Johnny_Mnemonic (Posts: 240; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Sorry gallito no award for Apple to bad. : (

posted on 15 Dec 2011, 07:41

47. RamyRamz69 (Posts: 390; Member since: 12 Dec 2011)


No Sony Tablet S? No PS Vita? No Xperia Play? Ha?

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